Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

[Truth7t7]

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No such thing as a 7 year trib seen in Daniel 9:27 as your chart claims, your chart is false

 

[Truth7t7]

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No such thing as a 7 year tribulation or a 1000 year millennial kingdom as your chart claims, your chart is false

 

[Douggg]

As scripture clearly teaches below, the war was fought at the time surrounding the 70 years of captivity "Long Ago"!

What year BCE, are you claimiing the Gog/Magog event took place ?

In Ezekiel 38-39, it says God destroys those attacking armies - so how could Israel going into a 70 years of captivity as a result of the Gog/Magog event ?

 

[Douggg]

No such thing as a 7 year trib seen in Daniel 9:27 as your chart claims, your chart is false

My charts don't say "7 year trib", but 7 years. It is the advocates of the pre-trib view that call the 7 years as tribulation - not me.

 

[Douggg]

@Truth7t7

You still have not explained where the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 and 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 fit relevant to your Amil 3.5 year period.

 

[Truth7t7]

My charts don't say "7 year trib", but 7 years. It is the advocates of the pre-trib view that call the 7 years as tribulation - not me.

Daniel 9:27 and the word week doesn't present 7 years, your chart is wrong

Daniel 9:27 and the word "week" represents 7 literal days

We Disagree

 

[Truth7t7]

What year BCE, are you claimiing the Gog/Magog event took place ?

In Ezekiel 38-39, it says God destroys those attacking armies - so how could Israel going into a 70 years of captivity as a result of the Gog/Magog event ?

Read it real slow and focus on the word "Captivity" then do a word search in Ezekiel who was a prophet of Israel during the 70 year Babylonial Captivity, your focus is on the battle seen in Ezekiel 39

As scripture clearly teaches below, the war was fought at the time surrounding the 70 years of captivity in Babylon "Long Ago"!

Israel went into the 70 year captivity, the Lord's brought them out of the 70 year captivity, the war was fought with wooden weapons of warfare "Long Ago" the horse is really dead now "Next"! We Disagree

Ezekiel 39:7 & 23-25KJV
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7

You still have not explained where the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 and 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 fit relevant to your Amil 3.5 year period.

There's no need to entertain the study, the 3.5 year tribulation starts when the future AOD takes place in Jerusalem, the 3.5 year tribulation ends at the 7th Trump just minutes after the (Two Witnesses) are raised to heaven

The first major sign I believe will be seen with the open announcement to rebuild the wall and street in Jerusalem, this will be day 1 of the future 70 weeks or 490 literal days

 

[Douggg]

Read it real slow and focus on the word "Captivity" then do a word search in Ezekiel who was a prophet of Israel during the 70 year Babylonial Captivity, your focus is on the battle seen in Ezekiel 39

The Jews were already in the Babylonian captivity at the time of Ezekiel.

The Gog/Magog event is after Israel has come back from captivity - which that captivity took place in 70 ad and lasted until 1948.

The Gog/Magog event will take place in the latter years, latter days which we are now living in.

Not even the Jews say that the Gog/Magog event has happen yet.

It is still future.

 

[Douggg]

There's no need to entertain the study, the 3.5 year tribulation starts when the future AOD takes place in Jerusalem, the 3.5 year tribulation ends at the 7th Trump just minutes after the (Two Witnesses) are raised to heaven

So you cannot fit the 1290 days and 1335 involving the AoD being setup into your Amil 3.5 year view.

The reason is that your view is wrong.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Jews were already in the Babylonian captivity at the time of Ezekiel.

The Gog/Magog event is after Israel has come back from captivity - which that captivity took place in 70 ad and lasted until 1948.

The Gog/Magog event will take place in the latter years, latter days which we are now living in.

Not even the Jews say that the Gog/Magog event has happen yet.

It is still future.

I Disagree "Next"!

 

[Truth7t7]

So you cannot fit the 1290 days and 1335 involving the AoD being setup into your Amil 3.5 year view.

The reason is that your view is wrong.

Your opinion and I believe your wrong

 

[Truth7t7]

So you cannot fit the 1290 days and 1335 involving the AoD being setup into your Amil 3.5 year view.

The reason is that your view is wrong.

(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)​

 

[ewq1938]

I observe in nearly all posts that the term "rapture" is used incorrectly.

It will not be just a "rapture" event, but a "resurrection/rapture" event.

The event involves resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of the living in Christ.

This is incorrect. The resurrection is a separate event only involving the saved dead and it happens first, before the rapture happens.

 

[Douggg]

This is incorrect. The resurrection is a separate event only involving the saved dead and it happens first, before the rapture happens.

No, one event. The resurrected in Christ and the raptured in Christ - are caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air - verse 17.

1Thessalonians4:
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[ewq1938]

No, one event. No, to events which is why there

No, two events which is why there are TWO TERMS. Resurrection is not a rapture. Rapture is not a resurrection. The definitions of the words are different also, in English and Greek.

The resurrection happens before the rapture.

You are misusing the terms.

 

[Douggg]

No, two events which is why there are TWO TERMS.

No, the two terms does not mean two events.

The resurrection happens before the rapture.

The resurrection/rapture event will take place as Jesus circles the earth - resurrecting and rapturing as He circles.

 

[CrowCross]

(Depart/Fall Away) from the truth once held, it doesn't mean a pre-trib rapture, it's the false teaching of dispensationalist (Thomas Ice) some 15-20 years ago

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

You can depart physically or spiritually.

Here an angel physically departs.
Acts 12:10 And having passed through a first and a second guard, they came to the iron gate leading into the city, which opened to them by itself. And having gone out, they went on through one street, and immediately the angel departed from him.

 

[CrowCross]

No, two events which is why there are TWO TERMS. Resurrection is not a rapture. Rapture is not a resurrection. The definitions of the words are different also, in English and Greek.

The resurrection happens before the rapture.

You are misusing the terms.

Where is the resurrected body when it is given life?
In heaven...in the air...on earth?

 

[Davidpt]

Read it real slow and focus on the word "Captivity" then do a word search in Ezekiel who was a prophet of Israel during the 70 year Babylonial Captivity, your focus is on the battle seen in Ezekiel 39

As scripture clearly teaches below, the war was fought at the time surrounding the 70 years of captivity in Babylon "Long Ago"!

Israel went into the 70 year captivity, the Lord's brought them out of the 70 year captivity, the war was fought with wooden weapons of warfare "Long Ago" the horse is really dead now "Next"! We Disagree

Ezekiel 39:7 & 23-25KJV
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.


Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations : and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

I'm pretty certain that Luke 21:24 is not involving the 70 year Babylon captivity. It's like the saying---what goes up must come down. If one goes into captivity they have to come out of captivity eventually, when it is referring to the house of Israel. There is not one single time in their entire history that when they went into captivity that eventually they were not freed from captivity and began returning to their own land. Therefore, Luke 21:24 has to follow this same pattern.