Marymog
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Are you guys happy with the recent Iran agreement ending the war?
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Technically, Israel buys weapons from the United States, but the vast majority of those purchases are made using free grant money provided by U.S. taxpayers.
The financial relationship operates through a specific cycle that functions as an economic loop:
1. The U.S. Gives Israel Financial AidUnder a 10-year agreement running from 2019 to 2028, the U.S. gives Israel $3.8 billion annually in military assistance. This money is allocated primarily through the State Department's Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program.
2. Israel Must Spend That Money on U.S. WeaponsThe FMF funding is not a blank check. By law, Israel is required to return that money directly to the U.S. by purchasing weapons, vehicles, and ammunition from American defense contractors like Lockheed Martin and Boeing.
What a deal!
Please. Let's give credit where credit is due. Communism, Marxism and socialism are jewish inventions, patterned after judaism.
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Thank you. I did not know about that program with Isreal AND Jordan AND Pakistan AND Philippines AND Ukraine AND Poland.........But I digress.
Sooooo back to your 'genocide' and raping of our finance's theory: Where is your evidence?
Anyone can see what Israel has done to it's neighbors especially Gaza. Genocide. I'm not the only one who calls it that. And there is a tremendous amount of information out there. Especially concerning Israel's demon possessed military. It won't take long for you to find your evidence.Thank you. I did not know about that program with Isreal AND Jordan AND Pakistan AND Philippines AND Ukraine AND Poland.........But I digress.
Sooooo back to your 'genocide' and raping of our finance's theory: Where is your evidence?
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OK.......Thanks Luther. Over your last several post's I have figured you out and it's not pretty. It's easy to critique any countries leadership or military because they all make mistakes and there are some bad people in them. There are more good people in them also. That doesn't mean the entire country or its people are bad. One can provide legitimate evidence and thoughtful criticism without having to say some the asinine and inarticulate things you are saying. I see your heart.
What are some of the good things Isreal and the Jewish people bring to this world?
Curious Mary
PS: I have this deep-down feeling in my gut you won't answer......
Grailhunter
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Technically Judaism cannot be Communist, Marxist or Socialist, it is categorically incorrect.
Isreal is a form of theocracy except they have Prime Ministers instead of King.
A theocracy is a form of government in which political authority is derived from a religious source, and the state is run according to religious principles or laws. In a theocracy, leaders are often members of the clergy or are regarded as divinely guided, and the legal system is typically based on religious law. The government may claim to rule by divine authority, and human laws are subordinate to religious mandates.
Categorically Isreal is a Parliamentary Democracy.
Following an election, the president nominates a member of the Knesset to become prime minister after asking party leaders whom they support for the position. The first candidate the president nominates has 28 days to form a viable government that can command a majority in the Knesset. He then presents a government platform and must receive a vote of confidence from the Knesset to take office. In practice, the prime minister is usually the leader of the largest party in the governing coalition.
Sometimes Christians misunderstand Isreal's tactics in war. Their tactics are modeled after the Old Testament.
Yahweh gave "The Promise Land" to the Israelites. No one on earth can say God gave us our land. The United States supported Israel during the 6 day war to take back Isreal.
Isreal tactics in war are modeled after the Old Testament. Kill all that breaths. Deuteronomy 20:16 and Numbers 31:17 The thinking being is that if you destroy a nation, you only have to fight them once.
This differs from the United States where we have tendency to win the war and rebuild our enemy's nation so at times we fight the same people over and over and over again. Which can be difficult with terrorist nations where their armies hide with families and launch missiles from school yards and hospitals.
Not true. The most fascinating people on earth are jews. I've done some decent research over the last 4 years when a brother in the Lord explained to me who these people really are and all of the atrocities that have been committed by them.I was in shock. I vowed never to lay everything down at once to someone. You could go into shock. Or like most people, they ignore everything they've heard... angrily.OK.......Thanks Luther. Over your last several post's I have figured you out and it's not pretty. It's easy to critique any countries leadership or military because they all make mistakes and there are some bad people in them. There are more good people in them also. That doesn't mean the entire country or its people are bad. One can provide legitimate evidence and thoughtful criticism without having to say some the asinine and inarticulate things you are saying. I see your heart.
What are some of the good things Isreal and the Jewish people bring to this world?
Curious Mary
PS: I have this deep-down feeling in my gut you won't answer......
So Mary I am going to give you a synopsis. There is so much to find out. There are two very popular sayings out there which most people might never consider or ponder:
1) If you want to know who rules over you, find out or learn who you cannot criticize.
2) EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
When something is said in a critical way about jews, our first reaction is to defend these people and consider them innocent victims that had lost their way with God but will be restored to a new kingdom just because they're jews.
Well Mary, they are jews in name only. There are no true descendants from ancient Israel alive today. That's an impossibility when you consider all of the mixing with other nations which goes all the way back to the time of Moses. It's just impossible. And even if there was a trace of Hebrew DNA found in them, to what significance is it? It means nothing to God. He is looking at our faith now, not who we are.
Also, any evidence or records of ancestry were all destroyed in the temple when Israel was destined 70AD, never to become a nation again. That's what the Bible stresses over and over again. If those genealogies were that important I would assume that God would preserve them.
The greatest deception of all is being under the spell that Israel 1948 is a fulfillment of prophecy, blessed by God. Neither are true. God knew that these people would manipulate other countries and political relationships to acquire that land, but it certainly did have His blessing. The prophecy is all about the spiritual seed of Abraham ( which is Christ ) inheriting the land (heaven) forever. That's what the Old Testament prophecies point us to.
These people are not " jews". You have to start there or you will forever be spellbound in this fantasy doctrine of a future kingdom which the rabbis in the last 150 years indoctrinated the churches with.
Remember, In scripture Satan will be given a short lived opportunity to rule as God. Throughout history he needed a dedicated group of people to prepare the world for this final event. With the development of judaism, the plan to accommodate his last days kingdom began to take shape.
The Pharisees represented the spiritual leadership of Israel. They taught from the oral teachings of the Babylonian talmud, which perverts the scriptures. Eventually after rejecting Christ and crucifying Him ( God incarnate), they went on to complete this Babylonian religion in its written form, approximately by 200- 500 AD. During this time in history, the Pharisees (now called " rabbis") and faithful followers of this new religion (judaism) were bringing it into other nations.
[ We must keep in mind that Israel is Symbolically the body of Christ. And those Jews that believed on Jesus at that time became CHRISTIANS. they now belong to the "ISRAEL OF GOD", as anyone who believes in Jesus. So yes, there are some Jews today who reject judaism and even some of them will become saved. And they no longer fuss over their "heritage" and " traditions" but are now focused on the ONE who fulfilled those shadows of things to come. AMEN. ]
Eastern Europe was literally the birthplace of the jews of today. Most of these converts are arguably descendants of Ashkenaz, the Grandson of Japeth, A son of Noah. This I truly believe is the " unofficial" reason why 80% of jews today are called " Ashkenazi" jews. They call themselves " jews" (descendants of Shem),
but are not. They are not from the 12 tribes from the offspring of Shem ( where we get the word " semite"). It's so funny that they practically criminalize someone for showing "signs" of " anti- semitism" and they aren't even semites themselves.
To answer your questions,
1) Jews as a nation of people are cursed without Christ and have sadly, sadly followed their teachers in doctrines that reject the one true God. And I must say they do not have a favorable view of everyone else ( Goyim) in this world.
2) Jews individually, from any aspect of their religious or political views CAN BE SAVED. That's the good news.
3) But I must be honest with you. The ones who are working for Satan ( along with the non- jews who answer to them), the ones with the immense wealth and power have literally been the reason why this world has seen so many atrocities and so much suffering. They are the "supremecists ", who really can't be stopped.
Only Jesus Christ can do that. We must warn others while patiently waiting for our Lord's Return.
Thank you and God bless you.
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Well, I'm not so sure. Remember, he never served in the military, he is not a veteran, he was a New York businessman for most of his life, he has little personal in depth grasp of long term military strategy, I think, he follows his advisers a lot. But even his advisers, Vance and Rubio, give him different ideas and suggestions sometimes.
My stance on this war is this:
Either end the Iranian regime immediately
OR
End the war itself immediately.
I don't like this weird grey area zone in-between, on and off war and no war, going from bombing the Iranians to negotating with them/giving them millions of dollars, then attacking them again, week after after week.
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There some parts of Israel that fell, just like the Priests and Pharisees and Sadducees who kept the Temple in Jerusalem.
Not all Israel are Israel.
Some are satanic operatives just like in Big Satan in America.
That's what they call us Big Satan and Israel is little Satan.
And in some respects that wasn't too far from the truth.
Our Government strayed a long time ago, and Israel has been infested with foreign nations running their country.
All Nations Rise and Fall, and God does what he needs to do to get them back on track.
If he had not intervened at this time, the world would be lost.
It's not over. That Light still shines. And we won't let that candle go out.
It was close.
And just like Jesus told his disciples to go out and cast out demons,
that's what's happening on a National level.
We are casting out the communists, the socialists, the Liberal left radical loonies, illegal aliens.
All of them.
It may not sound Biblical, but it really is.
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Well, Trump is hitting them pretty hard now. And I would recommend going back to the original plan, regime change and turn it over to the people. This regime is habitual terrorists and liars, this is a proven fact. Negotiating with them is a waste of time because they have no honor or morals so they will never honor what they say or sign. So unconditional surrender should be a demand.
Along with what we are doing we need to introduce more Warthogs (A-10 Thunderbolts) because bullets are cheaper than missiles and introduce Napalm because Muslims are scared to death of fire because they believe if their bodies are burnt they cannot go to heaven. These idiots believe if they die as terrorists they will receive 72 virgins in heaven LOL. Not that it is true, but they believe it. And it is time to rattle their cage a little with MOAB bombs......18,700 pounds of explosives.....big booms, for their mountain and underground targets. Knocking out their electrical power stations is important because their underground installations depend on it.
And start dropping guns and ammo in neighborhoods so the people are armed.
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You have got it back the front. This is a Christian debate forum. Christians commenting on issues that affect society and the world is not being an armchair political and cultural commentator or critic. Its pointing out the Christian perspective. We are allowed to give our beliefs in a free democracy.
But nevertheless call it what you like. The truth is the truth. It is right to tell the truth and point out evil. Peter tells Christians not to allow our freedom under Christ to coverup evil.
That is exactly what I said above. That all Christians are to do is speak the truth to expose that evil. I am not speaking from the political or cultural ideology. But as a Christian speaking the truth. How the worlds ideologies and dark principalities are of satan and not Christ.
I am not sure what this means. If it means that Islam is another world ideology that is anti Christ then I agree. But so is any political ideology.
I assume your speaking third person.
This is the political part that I think Christians cannot get involved in. Or at least becomes very contenious because it is usually at this point that humans take over from God and I am not sure we should be so confident about our ability from past history.
When Gods people thought they knew best that is when they strayed from God. Not to say that God does not use people to do what is right and stop evil.
I think that is where politics takes over. Let the world system sort it out. It is usually being pragmatic that best aligns with God as to what is right and good. leave it alone but if it comes to your doorstep then something needs to be done. As Peter said 'don't let your freedom allow evil'.
Usually western nations have been built on that freedom in God. That comes with responsibility to point out evil with the truth. But how this is applied is the difference between letting God and humankind playing God.
The church use to be seperate and offer counsel in moral matters. They did not actively get involved in planning or pulling the trigger. They mopped up the mess the world made. They were untainted by world politics and thus offered a different way to peace. In that sense they were not sitting in the culture war armchair as critics. But putting forward Gods armchair in Christ. Gods throne and not humans.
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Judaism is a totalitarian religion, completely anti- Christ. It's no different than Islam. That's where we get deceived, thinking that they are following Old Testament tradition, and we have something in common with them. That's why the term " judeo- Christian" is laughable at best.
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Grailhunter
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Interesting, a guy that names himself Luther on a Christian site.
Not following the Old Testament tradition? In what way?
There are people that hate Jews and Isreal, but God loves them and that is all they need.
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I am not sure of that. It seems Iran had been breaching the nuclear nonproliferation agreements and in June 2025, after the UN nuclear watchdog declared Iran in violation and the US engaging in negociations with Iran that failed. Then the United States bombed Iran’s major nuclear facilities.
It was an independent watchdog that had oficially declared Iran in breach. The US then acted on that breach. People can disagree with the method of dealing with that breach. But the next step was brought on by by Iran breaching the agreement.
Thats correct. Not the specific programs to produce the final product and weapon. But much of the surrounding infrastructure and higher levels of refinement well beyond energy requirements. Which raises a red flag. Hense we need to see for ourselves. But they won't let us.
As mentioned above it seems the independent UN watchdog breached Iran for not complying and then after negociations between US and others broke down Isreal and the US took action. All Iran had to do was agree to the conditions I guess.
I am not sure when this was. But at first Iran was not a signatory and then ratified this in 2003. It has from the beginning tried to side step compliance and its responsibility to build toward a nuclear weapon. Everyone knows that is their aim. They have stated this themselves.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) subsequently discovered that Iran was violating its basic obligations in the early 2000s by secretly building undeclared facilities, such as the Natanz enrichment plant and the Arak heavy water reactor, without prior notification. [1, 2]
What Are Iran’s Nuclear and Missile Capabilities? | Council on Foreign Relations
Iran’s nuclear program and missile arsenal have garnered increased international scrutiny. A joint U.S.-Israeli military campaign launched in early 2026 seeks to destroy Iran’s nuclear and missile infrastructure.
www.cfr.org
I would not trust one thing Iran says. They admit that lying is part of the way in which they can decieve the enermy and trick them into submission and defeat. I think people forget that this is not another democratically elected government. This is a radical theocratic regime who want to impose their religion on everyone.
Which coincidently happens to be one of the only free democracies in the middle east.
Under international law, 191 nations are legally bound to never acquire nuclear weapons. Its not something new and we have always seen certain nations as a threat to have nuclear weapon capabilities.
Nuclear Weapons: Who Has What at a Glance | Arms Control Association
They are also the most attacked people in the history of humankind. If we are speaking about rights to be armed and defend itself then Isreal has the best defense to do so of all nations. Not that I agree that being armed is the answer to world peace. Its more about peace by the gun that true peace in Christ.
Islam also says its a religion of peace. Once again I do not believe one thing they say.
Yes a doomsday scenario brought about by an evil actor towards Isreal.
Or a realistic way they see in defending themselves. But I think this has been the case for all nuclear nations. As mentioned there were only a certain nations deemed able to have nuclear weapons due to the threat level they imposed on the rest of the world.
The difference is is that the US and its allies have been seen as the ones who head the new world from WW2. They overseen the UN Human Rights charter and were involved in most of the world bodies to ensure peace and order. Rightfully so as other nations were in chaos or inflicting inhumane treatments that needed to be stopped.
To equate the US and Isreals democratic values and freedoms with a regime that is inflicting human rights abuses on their own people is unreal and unfair. There is good reason why we trust certain people, world bodies and nations over others.
Iran is already a big threat and has been for a long time. They are behind all the terror groups I mentioned earlier. They all have the same radical ideology. They were only 20 odd years ago attacking the west and making our lives hell. Covid came along and we got better at security.
But they have been focusing on Isreal again. Hamas is the latest example. This is the same ideology as 9/11 and other terror attacks. They trace right back to Iran and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei before his death.
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