It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[Scott Downey]

'work/s'
Matt 25:44-46
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Faith in Christ is the foundation.
Good works are very important

The parable exposes the lies of the world and shows then as unfit for the kingdom of God

Titus 1
15 Unto the pure, all things are pure; but unto those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

[Scott Downey]

""It completely torpedoes the entire theological premise of a pre-tribulation rapture""
That's your opinion.
If remaining saved requires ''doing/not doing'' then you are in a different 'age' than today

You need to remind yourself what Jesus and the apostles taught about good works for the people of the church today

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: good work

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BibleGateway - Keyword Search: good work

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[PeterAndroz]

Faith in Christ is the foundation.
Good works are very important

The parable exposes the lies of the world and shows then as unfit for the kingdom of God

Titus 1
15 Unto the pure, all things are pure; but unto those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

""Good works are very important""
Agreed, but not a requirement today to be or remain saved
Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5 Rom 5:1

 

[PeterAndroz]

You need to remind yourself what Jesus and the apostles taught about good works for the people of the church today

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: good work

www.biblegateway.com

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: good work

www.biblegateway.com

Hey Scotty, YES, works are important and Paul teaches that how we have led our life will be judged & subject to rewards/loss yet regardless we remain saved.
2 Cor 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
1 Cor 3:
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hey Scotty, YES, works are important and Paul teaches that how we have led our life will be judged & subject to rewards/loss yet regardless we remain saved.
2 Cor 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
1 Cor 3:
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
.

Yes, I know, and it is God ordained that we bear good fruit to God.

He waters us, and we bear good fruit

Also a bad tree can not bear good fruit. and a good tree can not bear bad fruit

Matthew 7

The Narrow Way​

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 [c]Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits​

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You​

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[WPM]

In the trib you'll have to work to remain saved

Where does it say that in the Bible?

 

[Scott Downey]

Verse 13, brings forth another truth nugget for the children of God to remain on earth until the Last Day and Christ's glorious appearing!

This can not be denied, but is can be disbelieved, so what do you really believe and know. Do you trust the Word to guide you into understanding? Or do you rely on your own self to know the truth.

Jesus the Word of God, says He is the Way, Truth, the Life...

Bible Gateway passage: Titus 2 - 21st Century King James Version

But speak thou the things which befit sound doctrine: that the older men be sober, serious, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience; the older women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things, that they...

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11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world,

13 looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ,

15 These things speak and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

 

[Scott Downey]

Titus 2:13 is a fantastic clincher.

Pointing out verse 13—which anchors the believer's active, present-tense posture to "looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ"—completely dismantles the idea of a secret, pre-tribulation extraction.

Paul instructs believers to live soberly and righteously in this present world while actively looking forward to that one, singular, public appearance of that glorious return of the Lord Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

Ok so I was here for none of the pre trib debates, nor have I read your post here, though I'm going to. But all I had to do was to see the title of this post and I said "Amen"

Welcome Laura,

AGREE - AMEN to the Second Coming of CHRIST

Question: Who is taken and who is left?

 

[David in NJ]

Bet you are incapable of or avoid listening to this

https://messages.shorewoodbiblechurch.org/WEBMedia/H/2023-04-23T19-01-28_1153976449.MP3

Good Morning Peter,

i have begun listening to the audio message and the man made a MAJOR ERROR(False teaching) and contradicted Himself and the Holy Scriptures at 5:38

"The mystery of God is the prophetic program, it is NOT us who are the dispensation of Christ"

This is not only FALSE, but it is a lie!

 

[David in NJ]

Bet you are incapable of or avoid listening to this

https://messages.shorewoodbiblechurch.org/WEBMedia/H/2023-04-23T19-01-28_1153976449.MP3

Hello again my brother in Christ

This man just made another MAJOR FALSEHOOD at 5:50-5:55

Go back to Colossians chapter 1 the mystery that Paul talks about has NOTHING to DO with the Prophetic Program

The statement above is from the spirit of error that we were warned about by the Holy Spirit.

TRUTH 111 = Colossians 1:15-20 says: CHRIST is the Prophetic Program of GOD

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

SHALOM of GOD is only in TRUTH = which is CHRIST

 

[amigo de christo]

In the trib you'll have to work to remain saved

in other words you may as well be saying the time cometh when its not about faith
but a return to works . SORRY padnah but pre trib is lying to you .
The moment a sheep cometh to faith in JESUS , IT has b een appointed unto persecutions and tribulations .
THE COST is the cost . SO enough with this ya best life stuff . JESUS didnt come
so we could have big money and huge houses and not have to suffer FOR HIS NAME sake .
In fact that stuff cannot even give one the best life , AKA the abundant life .
PAUL had the abundant life
PETER DID
jude , james and others did . YET HOW OFTEN we see or hear of them being beaten
cast out , in prison and yes even killed .
THE abundant life IS NOT ABOUT what is seen or what a man has or dont have pertaining to material things .
ITS KNOWING JESUS . they could SING IN PRISON bud . THEY COULD SIN G and rejoice
EVEN after being beaten for JESUS . THE LIFE , the abundant life
THAT NO MAN , no circumstance can take from a sheep . THEIR LIFE IS IN JESUS , NOT IN THIS WORLD .
YA BETTER flee pre trib and actually get ready TO BE PERSECUTED
Because we got us a well favored WHORE of all harlots pumping out the love of her inclusive father satan
and by means of her ecumeincal interfaith IS LEADING ALL TO THE LIE that she says will bring peace on earth .
NO , its gonna bring THIS , THE WRATH OF GOD DOWN UPON THEM ALL . JESUS IS NOT GOING TO BE DENIED .
NOR DOES HE HONOR ANY SIN , NOR UNBELIEF . NOW lets bible up shall we .

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello again my brother in Christ

This man just made another MAJOR FALSEHOOD at 5:50-5:55


The statement above is from the spirit of error that we were warned about by the Holy Spirit.

TRUTH 111 = Colossians 1:15-20 says: CHRIST is the Prophetic Program of GOD

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

SHALOM of GOD is only in TRUTH = which is CHRIST

marvel not my friend . marvel not . Many have not the Love of TRUTH but rather the l ove of the mixture .
Now as for the sheep , JESUS HAS SHED THE LOVE OF TRUTH upon their hearts .
AND NO LIE is OF THE TRUTH . EVERY WORD OF GOD IS T RUTH
and you can bet its meat for the sheep too .

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Sound Doctrine Cannot Be Buried, But Must Be Brought To Light, eh?:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

---------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

in other words you may as well be saying the time cometh when its not about faith
but a return to works . SORRY padnah but pre trib is lying to you .
The moment a sheep cometh to faith in JESUS , IT has b een appointed unto persecutions and tribulations .
THE COST is the cost . SO enough with this ya best life stuff . JESUS didnt come
so we could have big money and huge houses and not have to suffer FOR HIS NAME sake .
In fact that stuff cannot even give one the best life , AKA the abundant life .
PAUL had the abundant life
PETER DID
jude , james and others did . YET HOW OFTEN we see or hear of them being beaten
cast out , in prison and yes even killed .
THE abundant life IS NOT ABOUT what is seen or what a man has or dont have pertaining to material things .
ITS KNOWING JESUS . they could SING IN PRISON bud . THEY COULD SIN G and rejoice
EVEN after being beaten for JESUS . THE LIFE , the abundant life
THAT NO MAN , no circumstance can take from a sheep . THEIR LIFE IS IN JESUS , NOT IN THIS WORLD .
YA BETTER flee pre trib and actually get ready TO BE PERSECUTED
Because we got us a well favored WHORE of all harlots pumping out the love of her inclusive father satan
and by means of her ecumeincal interfaith IS LEADING ALL TO THE LIE that she says will bring peace on earth .
NO , its gonna bring THIS , THE WRATH OF GOD DOWN UPON THEM ALL . JESUS IS NOT GOING TO BE DENIED .
NOR DOES HE HONOR ANY SIN , NOR UNBELIEF . NOW lets bible up shall we .

To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God’s creation.

15I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other! 16So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!

17You say, ‘I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19Those I love I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent.

 

[David in NJ]

Sound Doctrine Cannot Be Buried, But Must Be Brought To Light, eh?:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

---------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

1 Thessalonians 5:20
New International Version
Do not treat prophecies with contempt

New Living Translation
Do not scoff at prophecies,

English Standard Version
Do not despise prophecies,

Berean Standard Bible
Do not treat prophecies with contempt,

Berean Literal Bible
Do not despise prophecies,

King James Bible
Despise not prophesyings.

New King James Version
Do not despise prophecies.

New American Standard Bible
do not utterly reject prophecies,

The HIGHEST Prophecy is the Prophecy of the LORD JESUS CHRIST = Matthew ch24 = Revelation ch7

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days........I Come to gather MY Elect"

Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[WPM]

Sound Doctrine Cannot Be Buried, But Must Be Brought To Light, eh?:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

---------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

I suspect this is all noise. But lets put your doctrine to the test: where is the rapture of the Church mentioned in Daniel 9? Where is a seven-year tribulation mentioned in Daniel 9? Where is a third coming mentioned in Daniel 9?

 

[Scott Downey]

To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God’s creation.

15I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other! 16So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!

17You say, ‘I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19Those I love I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent.

There is yet still hope for people, to repent and believe God's message.
And God does not give up on His elect, for all of them will be saved.

 

[David in NJ]

There is yet still hope for people, to repent and believe God's message.
And God does not give up on His elect, for all of them will be saved.

Thank you Scott for that prophetic word of God's Mercy

 

[PeterAndroz]

Yes, I know, and it is God ordained that we bear good fruit to God.

He waters us, and we bear good fruit

Also a bad tree can not bear good fruit. and a good tree can not bear bad fruit

Matthew 7

The Narrow Way​

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 [c]Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits​

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You​

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Hey Scotty.
I listen to the teachings of Christ through Paul for today
If you drag Matthew into the mix then what is Scott currently doing to comply with Mat 25:44-46 ?