Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[PeterAndroz]

The difference is the difference in perspective, whether our perspective of times, or Gods eternal (timeless) perspective. For full understanding, our perspective has to reconcile with God's. The only way that is possible is both coming together when "but each one in his own order" passes from time to eternity. Which has occurred throughout all of history...each one in his own order.

So, yes, in Matthew it speaks of the angels gathering from the four winds and all the earth, of course--but it can only happen simultaneously if it is that twinkling of an eye between time and eternity. Which then is confirmed by Paul, saying "but"--"but each [one] (person) in his own order." By definition, that is how "each one" is defined.

Why is that important? Because it changes (proves wrong) what most people believe. That--by definition--is "strong delusion."

How we will exactly share eternity is a subject that earns a lot of authors a lot of money from the sale of books which I will never buy.
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As yet, there is NOTHING that leans me towards a JOINT rapture of OT saints, TRIBUALTION saints with the Paul-age saints of 'today'.
If you are hoping to convince me otherwise, save your keystrokes for others :)

 

[ScottA]

How we will exactly share eternity is a subject that earns a lot of authors a lot of money from the sale of books which I will never buy.
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As yet, there is NOTHING that leans me towards a JOINT rapture of OT saints, TRIBUALTION saints with the Paul-age saints of 'today'.
If you are hoping to convince me otherwise, save your keystrokes for others :)

My hope is that all come to the full knowledge of God...but that requires reconciling with God (and His ways)--that has been His objective all along. But suit yourself. Yourself.

And the "sale of books" was a cheap shot. For the workman is worthy of his wages.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes it has. The amil symbolism and post trib only rapture is two of them.

Yes, I believe the Holy Spirit showed me the truth of and connected the dots of the pre-trib rapture.

IMPOSSIBLE for the HOLY SPIRIT to lie = therefore flee idolatry and return to the clear words of CHRIST = POST-TRIB

 

[David in NJ]

How we will exactly share eternity is a subject that earns a lot of authors a lot of money from the sale of books which I will never buy.
..
As yet, there is NOTHING that leans me towards a JOINT rapture of OT saints, TRIBUALTION saints with the Paul-age saints of 'today'.
If you are hoping to convince me otherwise, save your keystrokes for others :)

Read Hebrews

 

[CrowCross]

IMPOSSIBLE for the HOLY SPIRIT to lie = therefore flee idolatry and return to the clear words of CHRIST = POST-TRIB

If it's so CLEAR....why is it easy to prove wrong?

 

[David in NJ]

If it's so CLEAR....why is it easy to prove wrong?

No one ever has!

No one ever will!

Which is why you can never find it in the Holy Scriptures.

 

[CrowCross]

No one ever has!

No one ever will!

Which is why you can never find it in the Holy Scriptures.

Connect the dots dave.


On this forum certain post-trip and one who accepts AMillennialism asked for where the bible speaks of a Pre-tribulation rapture.

Here is my response.

The bible doesn't outright say...."the rapture will be followed by a 7 year tribulation. The bible also doesn't say outright there is a trinity consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But, if you connect the dots a Christian can understand the basic principles of the Godhead.

When the dots surround the rapture of the church are connected the pre-trib rapture becomes obvious.

For example I have shown you the bible presents Jesus as returning on a white horse in Rev 19 and another return where Jesus isn't riding a white horse. I've even presented you with depictions of the event. No white horse at the rapture while defections show a white horse at the Rev 19 return. That's one dot.

I've presented you with a social economic picture mentioned by Christ Jesus that speaks of His return and describes it like the days of Noah and not......which don't align with the social economic days of the end of the tribulation. Another dot to connect.

You have been presented several verses that show Christians....the bride of Christ... are not destined for wrath or the trials of the 7 year tribulation. Another dot to connect.

You have been shown the 7 year tribulation is a judgement for the people of the earth...and should understand Jesus already paid the price for that Judgement concerning Christians on the cross 2,000 years ago.....another dot to connect.

Another dot to connect would be the many mansions (dwelling places) in heaven that Jesus is currently building and the promise of His return to take us there. This fits in with the Jewish engagement and wedding of the times of Christ.

I have shown you another dot with the 2 Thes 2 mention of the gathering and removal of the restrainer and departure that happens prior to the 7 year tribulation. One more dot to connect.

You have been shown that the Church isn't mentioned by name after after chapter 4 of Revelations (19 times prior to chapter 5) and then not again to chapter 20. ....this is another dot.

There's more dots to connect that are buried deeper in scripture that I won't mention.

Dot + dot + dot + dot + dot + dot + dot = a pre-trib rapture. All you need to do is connect them.

Where are your dots to connect that show a single return of Jesus at the end of the tribulation?

 

[gpresdo]

WRONG AGAIN

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The Trinity is EXPRESSED without the word "trinity" beginning in Genesis chapter 1

pre-trib rapture is specifically DENIED by GOD beginning in Genesis chapters 1-6

pre-trib rapture is DENIED by GOD throughout the Scriptures

The LORD Jesus Christ specifically DENIED pre-trib rapture.

PURE GOSPEL TRUTH = pre-trib rapture is a man-made doctrine and all who follow it place themselves under a FALSE prophecy

I believe that conclusion is wrong.
Please show me the scripture wording that guides you to conclude there is no rapture/trib period?

Please leave the attempt of transference to ...trinity out.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe that conclusion is wrong.
Please show me the scripture wording that guides you to conclude there is no rapture/trib period?

Please leave the attempt of transference to ...trinity out.

Challenge accepted.

Begin with BEGINNINGS = GENESIS 1:1

In the beginning God

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

 

[ScottA]

IMPOSSIBLE for the HOLY SPIRIT to lie = therefore flee idolatry and return to the clear words of CHRIST = POST-TRIB

I want to "Like" this, and I do, because it is correct.

But if one then just assumes the rest of the delusion, false doctrine of a future, mass tribulation event...the timing issue has not fully been resolved.

That mass, future event issue simply puts [demonic] fear in the hearts of faithful Christians who, having passed from death to life, only need to endure unto the end, at peace.

Which is lost for not understanding that when the word "but" ("but each one in his own order") appears in scripture--it is the most important part...because it shows where a matter can all go wrong, or be completely misunderstood. It most often comes as a warning.

 

[gpresdo]

Challenge accepted.

Begin with BEGINNINGS = GENESIS 1:1

In the beginning God

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

None support your position about the rapture.
I am requesting you to show me a scripture that denies the rapture.,,,nothing else.

Since I know you cannot do that answer this;

Hebrews 9; 28..... "and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation".
To deny...you must explain...who, what, when,where and why?

 

[CrowCross]

Challenge accepted.

Begin with BEGINNINGS = GENESIS 1:1

In the beginning God

I'm a trinitarian, but.....I fail to see how this verse shows God is a trinity.

Even the "let us make" verse later on doesn't show a Trinitarian God but rather a more than one "person".

 

[CrowCross]

Can anyone of you post-tribbers connect the dots that show Jesus only returns at the end of the tribulation and not also at the beginning?

 

[David in NJ]

I'm a trinitarian, but.....I fail to see how this verse shows God is a trinity.

AGREE, you fail to see.....

Even the "let us make" verse later on doesn't show a Trinitarian God but rather a more than one "person".

Do you also fail to see "Us" , "Our" , "Our" ???

 

[David in NJ]

None support your position about the rapture.
I am requesting you to show me a scripture that denies the rapture.,,,nothing else.

Since I know you cannot do that answer this;

Hebrews 9; 28..... "and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation".
To deny...you must explain...who, what, when,where and why?

My apologies - i had only 2 hours sleep last night = i thought you were asking about the Trinity

The Promised Rapture is 100% TRUTH

What is the premise you wish to discuss on it?

 

[CrowCross]

AGREE, you fail to see.....


Do you also fail to see "Us" , "Our" , "Our" ???

Us or our could be two...three or even one hundred. There is nothing in Genesis that presents us = 3.
In order to have "us" = 3 you need to connect the dots....which you seem to have problem with concerning the pre-trib rapture.

 

[David in NJ]

Us or our could be two...three or even one hundred.

TRUE

There is nothing in Genesis that presents us = 3.

FALSE

In order to have "us" = 3 you need to connect the dots....which you seem to have problem with concerning the pre-trib rapture.

Funny

 

[CrowCross]

There is nothing in Genesis that presents us = 3.

You replied back with.....

FALSE

OK Mr. Theologian.....show us or retract your statement. It's that simple.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

connecting the dots of pre-trib rapture?:

I have been thinking / pondering, should this be added as "rule 1 b" in Bible study Rules?:

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to​

the use of edifying, that it may minister Grace unto the hearers." (Ephesians 4:29 AV) ​

​

Precious friend(s), please pray for me about this Biblical thought in my own Grace journey with The Lord Jesus Christ?

And, hopefully I already instituted 'such' in my [ 18-month ] prayerful and Careful Pre-trib study of His Sound Doctrine:

God's Great GRACE Departure! ( Conclusion Part 17, and 16 others available upon request. )​

Thanks. cc: @CrowCross and @PeterAndroz

Grace and Peace. Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

connecting the dots of pre-trib rapture?:

I have been thinking / pondering, should this be added as "rule 1 b" in Bible study Rules?:

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to​

the use of edifying, that it may minister Grace unto the hearers." (Ephesians 4:29 AV) ​

​

Precious friend(s), please pray for me about this Biblical thought in my own Grace journey with The Lord Jesus Christ?

And, hopefully I already instituted 'such' in my [ 18-month ] prayerful and Careful Pre-trib study of His Sound Doctrine:

God's Great GRACE Departure! ( Conclusion Part 17, and 16 others available upon request. )​

Thanks. cc: @CrowCross and @PeterAndroz

Grace and Peace. Amen.

In Bible Study Rule 1b, how would you define "corrupt communication"?

You replied back with.....


OK Mr. Theologian.....show us or retract your statement. It's that simple.