Salvation loss. Is it possible?

[BreadOfLife]

And to think I clicked the link that said, you are currently ignoring posts by this member click to read post.
I've reported your hateful posts. I would hope others would too.
The great gift the Father gives us is the power of discernment. If we only pay attention. God speaks to his sons and daughters. All we have to do is trust and pay attention.
Metaphorically, in my life it is like a tile puzzle. The whole of my life. And God sets these tiles with a shape upon them that is meant to fall into place when he wills it, so that I then see the message he's sending me as to the lesson he wants me to learn, while I walk to that tile and continue following the tapestry of my living.

That is why I chose to click remove ignore link to your posts in this thread on this page of the thread. I thank GOD for you! :)
The question posed is, is salvation loss possible?
The answer every true Christian knows already is, NO!
The example you set is that of Troll, hatemonger, atheist, and dedicated fallen sinner committed to Poe's Law. Posing as a Christian in order to harass actual Christians. And your posing is a miserable failure. However, it is a radiant success in its example. You show the Christians here what we could live like were we you.
If we had not been called to the Son by God's grace we would live a life full of flaming hatred and spewing venom just like you do. You're so full that you need to spew it forth here into these forums. Hate filled screeds. Rude obnoxious condescending contemptuous remarks are your hallmark. You are without grace. Without peace. Without kindness. Without charity. Without love. Without gentleness. You are publicly void and suffering all manner of devils because you are not within the peace of Christ. And you show it openly every time you speak.

We can set you to ignore here. People who know you off-line are not so easily able to avoid your personality. And yet, that is how it is meant to be by God's design. For the Internet and this forum you are a God send.
You show us what rotted unleavened bread looks like as it slowly takes a life. Yours.
"Bread of Life", is Christ. Perhaps your name is meant to serve as a flag to get God's attention as one who is deeply needy of that.
In the meantime, thank you and thank God for sending you to this forum as an example of what chronic damnation and fallen spirit living within the darkness of sin lives, and speaks, every single moment he accesses a keyboard and trolls Christian forums.
You entertain yourself with this behavior and yet until now you were not aware you are the living example of free choice that arrives in a Christian forum to demonstrate God is real. And so too are the trials and travails of living in damnation.
You have my deepest gratitude for being God's vessel. And my deepest sympathies that you do not take the time to find your way to Christ. Rather than example post after post you're happy to be a disciple of Satan.
Job learned Satan is part of God's plan too. :)
And as we can always read, so too are you.Though you could never be qualified to be as blessed in God's service as was precious Job.
I am going to return your account to my ignore list. It is enough to know you are here serving God's purpose.
Let the sons and daughters of God praise God for His Son. And for BreadofLife, that volunteers to choose every day to log on here. And be the precious God sent example that he is, as to what chronic sin and dead in spirit creates within a living person who is hatred personified on~line.

May God's will be that you are brought into his grace while you still have time. Until then, if then, thank you for being here.

Thank you for that verbose rant.
As long as you guys continue telling lies about the Catholic Church - people like me will be right there to expose your lies.

It doesn't matter to me if you put me on your "ignore" list because that just means I can expose your lies without any interference from you. The anti-Catholic party you've all been having is over . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

is this supposed to be about me, or theology and your disbelief in Calvinism? again you didn't know whether the person you were posting was even of such doctrine did you?

Not sure what you're getting at here - but I was simply responding to your attack on the Catholic Church as "Man's theology".

as far as God's will for all. that would be true but He's not stupid or a idiot either is He. you use scripture as though God is stupid enough to think all will.

and this hogwash here isn't scriptural at all is it? "Nobody is created by God just so He can toss them into Hell - NOBODY."

see the following liar:

Exo_33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

interesting that this was written to the romans:

Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth ) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

so yes in scripture God Himself has said He has made men for destruction. how is your opinion of what God ought to be like supersede that? it is plainly said in revelations that the blood will be as high as the horse's bridle, that's a lot of soul for destruction. not to mention the nation that will be against Israel the prophets say their flesh will melt of them.

God will and joy is the fulfillment of His Word. and as far as all, sure who was Adam but he who "was the son of God"

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

so yea it stands to reason that when God made Adam that all men were to receive the life Adam had before they "lost" it and were left with the life of dust to dust and ashes to ashes. so in reality all men are born to destruction, you know born in to sin and condemnation, and the restoration there of is to the the original will for the sons of man.

you state as though what Jesus said here isn't true:

Luk_10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

First of all - I wasn't professing the false doctrine of Universalam. I never said that ALL people would be saved.
I said that the false Calvinist doctrine of Double Predestination negates the Scriptures that say God WILLS the salvation of all. NOT "all" will be saved, but that is up to THEM. God has provided the way WAY to salvation but many will choose NOT to take it.

That's what the Scriptures teach about salvation - NOT that it is a sentence you were born into - but a choice you will have to make.

 

[Stranger]

And you call ME a "wordsmith" while you pervert this verse by injecting your bizarre little interpretation . . .

Nobody belongs to Christ until THEY come to Him in faith.
That is how you accept the gift of grace. It's NOT something that you are sentenced to against your will, my Calvinist friend.

The false doctrine of "Irresistible Grace" is yet another error of 5-point Calvinism . . .

Yes, you are a wordsmith. To come to your interpretation you have to rearrange the words of (John 10:26). As you did with my words before. See post #414.

Ah, I see. You want to label me a Calvinist so you can use all your arguments against Calvinism. Sorry. I will defend the Scriptures but not Calvinism. Must be sad to not be able to look at Scripture on your own.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

As I said, you are certainly entitled not to see the answer as provided in God's word.

No, Jesus is not a man. Jesus returned to the Father in Heaven, being Jesus was God, he is once again the Holy Spirit. Not flesh. Spirit.

You recognize you are speaking heresy here. Jesus was a man, and is a man. Jesus never was the Holy Spirit. He was and is God The Son. What is your Scriptural basis for saying Jesus is not a man?

Stranger

 

[Peanut]

You recognize you are speaking heresy here. Jesus was a man, and is a man. Jesus never was the Holy Spirit. He was and is God The Son. What is your Scriptural basis for saying Jesus is not a man?

Stranger

Heresy by word would be to decree Jesus did not ascend to the Father. That Jesus was not Immanuel, which translates to, "God with us". Which is what the angel told Mary was to be her son's name should she be God's servant and conceive the Savior of the world.

Ignorance would argue Jesus is a man. When he resurrected from the dead and ascended to the Father in his glorified body. As reported in scripture.
Do you think Jesus Christ walks the earth today as a man? Jesus was God.
God is the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dcopymope]

Heresy by word would be to decree Jesus did not ascend to the Father. That Jesus was not Immanuel, which translates to, "God with us". Which is what the angel told Mary was to be her son's name should she be God's servant and conceive the Savior of the world.

Ignorance would argue Jesus is a man. When he resurrected from the dead and ascended to the Father in his glorified body. As reported in scripture.
Do you think Jesus Christ walks the earth today as a man? Jesus was God.
God is the Holy Spirit.

But he was also referred to numerous times as the Son of Man, because he wasn't just fully God the son in the flesh, but also fully human. This is why Ezekiel was referred to as 'Son of man' as well many times, because he is human. This isn't hard to understand, he can't claim to be the savior of the thing he created as fully human unless he was also fully human.

(Matthew 25:31-33) "¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: {32} And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: {33} And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left."

(Ezekiel 30:1-4) "The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, {2} Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! {3} For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. {4} And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken down."

 

[Stranger]

Heresy by word would be to decree Jesus did not ascend to the Father. That Jesus was not Immanuel, which translates to, "God with us". Which is what the angel told Mary was to be her son's name should she be God's servant and conceive the Savior of the world.

Ignorance would argue Jesus is a man. When he resurrected from the dead and ascended to the Father in his glorified body. As reported in scripture.
Do you think Jesus Christ walks the earth today as a man? Jesus was God.
God is the Holy Spirit.

Yes heresy would be to decree that Jesus did not ascend to the Father. That Jesus was not Immanuel. And I don't believe anyone is saying that.

But it is also heresy to say Jesus, God the Son, was not a man, and is not a man. When Jesus ascended in his glorified body, that was as God the Son, as now a born son, and as a man.

Jesus at present is at the right hand of God. Yes, Jesus was God...and a man. He was and is the GodMan.

With any cults or false beliefs, you can always trace them back as to who Jesus is. Some see Jesus as just a man. Others as yourself see Jesus as just God. Both are wrong. Jesus Christ was 100% God and 100% man. The GodMan. Anything less than that is heresy.

So, what is your Scriptural support for what you say?

Stranger

 

[Peanut]

Yes heresy would be to decree that Jesus did not ascend to the Father. That Jesus was not Immanuel. And I don't believe anyone is saying that.

But it is also heresy to say Jesus, God the Son, was not a man, and is not a man. When Jesus ascended in his glorified body, that was as God the Son, as now a born son, and as a man.

Jesus at present is at the right hand of God. Yes, Jesus was God...and a man. He was and is the GodMan.

With any cults or false beliefs, you can always trace them back as to who Jesus is. Some see Jesus as just a man. Others as yourself see Jesus as just God. Both are wrong. Jesus Christ was 100% God and 100% man. The GodMan. Anything less than that is heresy.

So, what is your Scriptural support for what you say?

Stranger

I don't have a problem with being called a Heretic. (Heretic=a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to thoseaccepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.)
To Roman Catholics every Protestant is a Heretic.

You're now switching up your initial query. You asked me to prove Jesus was not flesh when he ascended to the Father. Now you're charging that I'm not saying Jesus was 100% man & 100% God while on earth.

Jesus ascended to the father in his perfected body. If he was fully flesh after the resurrection, how would the Jesus that his apostles and others knew during his ministry, was not recognized when seen walking after he departed the tomb?

John 20:14-16
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

Jesus taught in Luke 24 after his resurrection that spirit does not have flesh and bones.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54
Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.…

 

[pia]

Sorry bible does not say that. Peter was sent to fed His sheep, the rest where not thats 1 in 12. You see to be His sheep there are some requirements

Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

That would exclude teh majority of Christians, than there is this bit

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

That drags down teh numbers a little bit more

Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

An that is why very few if any of "His Sheep" will you find a part of any religion or in any church, Foe He is their first love this bit

Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

nothing else, no one else is worth dying for or teh price.

Excellent. Praises always for our first Love :)

 

[pia]

Yes heresy would be to decree that Jesus did not ascend to the Father. That Jesus was not Immanuel. And I don't believe anyone is saying that.

But it is also heresy to say Jesus, God the Son, was not a man, and is not a man. When Jesus ascended in his glorified body, that was as God the Son, as now a born son, and as a man.

Jesus at present is at the right hand of God. Yes, Jesus was God...and a man. He was and is the GodMan.

With any cults or false beliefs, you can always trace them back as to who Jesus is. Some see Jesus as just a man. Others as yourself see Jesus as just God. Both are wrong. Jesus Christ was 100% God and 100% man. The GodMan. Anything less than that is heresy.

So, what is your Scriptural support for what you say?

Stranger

See what Jesus Himself said about this in Matt. 26 : 64, and Mark 14 : 62 and finally in Luke 22 : 69. You are so right !

 

[Stranger]

I don't have a problem with being called a Heretic. (Heretic=a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to thoseaccepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.)
To Roman Catholics every Protestant is a Heretic.

You're now switching up your initial query. You asked me to prove Jesus was not flesh when he ascended to the Father. Now you're charging that I'm not saying Jesus was 100% man & 100% God while on earth.

Jesus ascended to the father in his perfected body. If he was fully flesh after the resurrection, how would the Jesus that his apostles and others knew during his ministry, was not recognized when seen walking after he departed the tomb?

John 20:14-16
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

Jesus taught in Luke 24 after his resurrection that spirit does not have flesh and bones.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54
Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.…

That's good, because you are.

Jesus Christ was and is 100% God and 100% man. The GodMan. Anything less is heresy.

Jesus Christ can make Himself known or unknown as He pleases. That proves nothing.

Yes, and Jesus did have flesh and bones. Which is fine, as flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

See what Jesus Himself said about this in Matt. 26 : 64, and Mark 14 : 62 and finally in Luke 22 : 69. You are so right !

Amen sister.

Stranger

 

[pia]

Amen sister.

Stranger

Such a relief at times opening a post, when it doesn't contain people yelling at you and without anything of The Lord to add. You have things to add, I love that :)

 

[Peanut]

But he was also referred to numerous times as the Son of Man, because he wasn't just fully God the son in the flesh, but also fully human. This is why Ezekiel was referred to as 'Son of man' as well many times, because he is human. This isn't hard to understand, he can't claim to be the savior of the thing he created as fully human unless he was also fully human.

Immanuel was the Son of God and the son of man. Being he was born of woman, while he was divinely appointed to her womb. Jesus' ministry began after his baptism. When the Father's Holy Spirit lighted upon him after he'd washed clean as an example of his future teachings what would be called among mortal persons, sinful flesh.
Jesus lived the example of his ministry. When he would tell his disciples and those who followed him and his teachings about the land, that they needed to be baptized, his having been, and the Holy Spirit of the Father lighting upon him and indwelling him was recalled by those who heard him teach that they too would need do that.

 

[pia]

That's good, because you are.

Jesus Christ was and is 100% God and 100% man. The GodMan. Anything less is heresy.

Jesus Christ can make Himself known or unknown as He pleases. That proves nothing.

Yes, and Jesus did have flesh and bones. Which is fine, as flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

Stranger

Spot on again ! Just marvellous !

 

[Stranger]

Such a relief at times opening a post, when it doesn't contain people yelling at you and without anything of The Lord to add. You have things to add, I love that :)

Indeed it is. Forums can be stressful. I appreciate your encouraging words. And you have things to add also.

Stranger

 

[pia]

Indeed it is. Forums can be stressful. I appreciate your encouraging words. And you have things to add also.

Stranger

That they can. some years ago I left one, as one member told me, that if it was getting too hot for me I should leave and I was happy to comply, as I didn't wish to be in that particular fire. The fire with and in Him, now that's a different one all together. I am thankful that there really are people among this forum, who KNOWS Him, rather than just ABOUT Him.... Happy days ! Thank you also :)

 

[Dcopymope]

Indeed it is. Forums can be stressful. I appreciate your encouraging words. And you have things to add also.

Stranger

Why get stressed out? Not good. You should try punching a hole in a wall or throwing a rock at a squirrel or stray cat, you know something manly, usually works for me. Sitting in a dark silent room also helps, in fact forget the silence, some soothing music should do it for you for Christ's sake.

 

[DPMartin]

Not sure what you're getting at here - but I was simply responding to your attack on the Catholic Church as "Man's theology".

First of all - I wasn't professing the false doctrine of Universalam. I never said that ALL people would be saved.
I said that the false Calvinist doctrine of Double Predestination negates the Scriptures that say God WILLS the salvation of all. NOT "all" will be saved, but that is up to THEM. God has provided the way WAY to salvation but many will choose NOT to take it.

That's what the Scriptures teach about salvation - NOT that it is a sentence you were born into - but a choice you will have to make.

My point exactly, you believe that salvation is the result of your choice hence glorying in one’s own choice. The Glory is God’s choice. In this case, choice is simply trusting one’s own judgement of what is good for one’s self. Whereas God’s Judgement is what is good for His creation. Whether it be trust by the creatures therein or not. The result of God’s Judgement is Life. The result of man’s judgement is the loss of that life given. Adam and Eve proved it and we being born into the world with the same that they had makes us the same.


Sure Jesus told us to chose Him, that would be God’s choice for us isn’t it. God’s instructions commandments judgments are always God’s choice for us. The Lord God in Moses’ day told Israel to chose life, that again is God’s choice for them in His Judgements.

Jesus being the Son of God in the Son of man walked by the Father's Judgements of what was good for Him, hence Jesus submitting to the Cross. And His prayer in the garden while He waited to be taken shows it was the Father’s, not Jesus' Judgement as any son of God should do, or aim for.


It’s all God’s choice, and judgements any other choice or judgement will not result in the life that was given. the right to chose or "freewill" has been beaten into our heads in western culture, but that has nothing to do with God's choice or Judgement. technically when we are born into the world death has been chosen for us, and God is merely restoring the chosen, to His choice for them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

My point exactly, you believe that salvation is the result of your choice hence glorying in one’s own choice. The Glory is God’s choice. In this case, choice is simply trusting one’s own judgement of what is good for one’s self. Whereas God’s Judgement is what is good for His creation. Whether it be trust by the creatures therein or not. The result of God’s Judgement is Life. The result of man’s judgement is the loss of that life given. Adam and Eve proved it and we being born into the world with the same that they had makes us the same.

Sure Jesus told us to chose Him, that would be God’s choice for us isn’t it. God’s instructions commandments judgments are always God’s choice for us. The Lord God in Moses’ day told Israel to chose life, that again is God’s choice for them in His Judgements.

Jesus being the Son of God in the Son of man walked by the Father's Judgements of what was good for Him, hence Jesus submitting to the Cross. And His prayer in the garden while He waited to be taken shows it was the Father’s, not Jesus' Judgement as any son of God should do, or aim for.

It’s all God’s choice, and judgements any other choice or judgement will not result in the life that was given. the right to chose or "freewill" has been beaten into our heads in western culture, but that has nothing to do with God's choice or Judgement. technically when we are born into the world death has been chosen for us, and God is merely restoring the chosen, to His choice for them.

Sorry - but our cooperation with God's grace is necessary for our salvation. This has been the constant living teaching of the Church for 2000 years. Your view is only as old as the 16th century.

The fact that we can either cooperate or resist God's grace is a theme that is repeated in Scripture:

Matt. 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and YOU WERE NOT WILLING."

Acts 7:51
"You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you".

1 Cor. 3:9
As God's co-workers we urge you not to receive God's grace in vain.

We know that god WILLS the salvation of all - but that NOT all will be saved. His will is not always carried out.
WHY?? Because in order for His grace to be completed - it needs to be accepted.