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pia

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You are accusing me of accusing you; it's getting complicated here!
I don't think I directly accused you. But I will say that I have no need, or desire, to see a person named Jesus. I do not worship a physical object, and hope I never will. Faith alone, in the Word of God is enough.
Can you tell me this please ? Why do you think Jesus' body was removed from His grave ?
 

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Faith alone, in the Word of God is enough.
While I agree with your statement, our experience should at some point validate our faith. I started reading scripture as a young child, and the NKJ version of the bible was the first "adult" book that I'd read. I was really only interested in the Old Testament passages that were obviously about Jesus, such as Isaiah 53 and psalm 22, but found most of what I read to be confusing and difficult, if not impossible to understand. My friend and brother from another mother, Jerome, patiently answered my more difficult questions from scripture (and later confessed that he gave answers which simply came to him on things that he either hadn't understood or considered.)
I became convinced of the perfection (complete self agreement) of the scriptures before I was convinced of the person of God as revealed in Jesus Christ, but when I sought him in my own desperation (somewhat like the main character in "pilgrims progress"), He found me ready to receive Him.
My faith is not based upon my experience, but my experience validates my faith.
Is it so strange that an agnostic or atheist, having rejected what they'd heard from men, should be turned around by the Spirit of God in some vision or apparition from Him? I find no biblical precedent for Satan exalting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and the few passages that mention demonic revelation of God's Holy one, also have the context of fear of judgment, not of grace and salvation.
I've heard and read reports of many conversions to Christ from the Islamic world based solely on dreams and visions. Are we to discount these conversions, many of which have lead to martyrdom, because of the unusual methodology of God in these circumstances?
 

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Can you tell me this please ? Why do you think Jesus' body was removed from His grave ?
Romans 4:25. "... who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification."
 

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Romans 4:25. "... who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification."
I have a hard time understanding how people can study and study the Bible, go to churches and hear sermons, be on forums and discussing some of the written words of God and completely ignore ALL that it says about Jesus AFTER His death and resurrection. Do Christians not realize that He has a glorified body ? That He can STILL speak ? Do they think He is hiding? That He has become somehow incapable ? Why ??? I really do not get it even one bit. Well whatever floats your boat as they say....
 

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Given these truths, we should understand that nothing that has ever happened or that ever will happen has taken God by surprise, including the fall of man or the fall of 1/3rd the heavenly host. He knew it, He allowed it, He knew the outcome. His revealed purpose is to create a peculiar people of His own to worship and honor Him and to inherit all creation as coinheritors with our Lord and Savior. And if He allowed these giants among men then they served His purposes whether they were righteous or evil.
Thoughts?

A great big AMEN! :)
It's a bit of a surprise that so many don't believe that way.
I think it was a 'set-up' from the beginning. ( A good set-up to accomplish the Plan that has yet to be fully revealed)

As for Giant's...does it have to mean real BIG people..though we know it says that many were...and then later, Goliath was.
But maybe in this day and age The Giants are not so much in size but in dark power and control.
Just my two cents.
 
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I have a hard time understanding how people can study and study the Bible, go to churches and hear sermons, be on forums and discussing some of the written words of God and completely ignore ALL that it says about Jesus AFTER His death and resurrection. Do Christians not realize that He has a glorified body ? That He can STILL speak ? Do they think He is hiding? That He has become somehow incapable ? Why ??? I really do not get it even one bit. Well whatever floats your boat as they say....
you might search "Jesus cult" to get the gist of that concept; and see that it is much easier to wait for Jesus than it is to recognize that we are the Body of Christ.

The Nehushtan worshippers in the Promised Land also reflect this; Nehushtan was the Snake on a Pole in the Wilderness that Jesus likened Himself to. Highlight/search can tell you more.
 
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pia

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bbyrd.........Well how can we be a body, when the arms are in different places, legs divided and split to the winds, the head? Well what can one say about the head pfffft. Churches most certainly have forgotten that Christ is our Head.
Sorry did you mean that my questions can be answered by a cult???
 

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you might search "Jesus cult" to get the gist of that concept; and see that it is much easier to wait for Jesus than it is to recognize that we are the Body of Christ.

The Nehushtan worshippers in the Promised Land also reflect this; Nehushtan was the Snake on a Pole in the Wilderness that Jesus likened Himself to. Highlight/search can tell you more.

Goodness, I had no idea!! ( I checked your link out ...crazy.)

.......Well how can we be a body, when the arms are in different places, legs divided and split to the winds, the head? Well what can one say about the head pfffft. Churches most certainly have forgotten that Christ is our Head.
Hi there...your post made me chuckle...but maybe you were not in a chuckling mood when you wrote it!!
I know that the body of Christ looks like a big mess ...but I think that it always has. Nevertheless , like it or not...we are still His Body. And even if the Church has forgotten that Jesus Christ is our head...doesn't change the fact of it. ( as I see it)
I believe that hidden within every creed and denomination are the people of God...(His Body) the real seekers...the "God chasers"...those with a heart after God.
I can even go further and say that they may even call Him by another name...:eek: ...but He alone knows the heart, and He alone knows whether it is really He himself that they are wanting a relationship with.
That may be a far reach for some ...but that is what I believe.
We don't yet know who the wheat are, or who the tares are...only God knows ...I think many of us may be in for a surprise!!

What do you think ...? ;) Too much?
 
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What do you think ...? ;) Too much?
Just wonderful ! I wrote that because my oldest daughter came out her bedroom at age 11 or 12 and asked me about it, as The Lord had shown her that.....Tongue in cheek, perhaps a little, still can't wait for when the Lord brings all of His together.......... :)
 
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Helen

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you can produce wheat, or you can produce tares. imo i am right about 10:90 or 15:85 or so lol

:) Interesting...I had never thought that it was "us" who could have both.
Because He says...leave the tares alone, incase you pull up the wheat also. But hey, you could be on to something there!!
I have a clover lawn, but I have have lots of wood sorrel in it ..I always have to wait until the wretched sorrel is mature before I can rip it out.
When immature, both like alike...but mature the clover leaf is larger and then I can identify the "look alike" intruder.
 

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Just wonderful ! I wrote that because my oldest daughter came out her bedroom at age 11 or 12 and asked me about it, as The Lord had shown her that.....Tongue in cheek, perhaps a little, still can't wait for when the Lord brings all of His together.......... :)

Good, I did wonder if I had pushed the edge too far ...I don't want to ruffle the waters too much. :) ( as you know...I am not a legalist :D ...I believe in Amazing Grace!! )

How He does it all...will be amazing. :)