Same Sex Marriage Postal Vote Australia

[Job]

What is equally disappointing is when Christians blame a fictitious creature (supernatural satan) for something which relates only to nature.

Do you not believe Satan exists?

Just curious...

o

 

[face2face]

Do you not believe Satan exists?

Just curious...

o

No and yes...
Maybe for another thread.

 

[breathofdesire]

No and yes...
Maybe for another thread.

Are you going to make a thread about it? I have some interesting idea's about satan.

 

[Josho]

Let's make this clear, in times of natural disaster, it creates a turning point, a reliance on God, people need God's help in time of natural disaster, the non-christians start seeking for answers, people get led to Jesus. This is all end time stuff though as the world gets worse and worse, and the time gets nearer and nearer, it takes more and more to get people to seek God for help, I agree with you guys though, out of every state, why Texas? Perhaps he was trying to create a peace in Texas, with violence between blacks and whites, violence between gangs, etc, perhaps he was trying to create a peace in the midst of a storm.

But is it God who causes the storm, or does God allow Satan to go a certain length with natural disasters to bring repentance & people to Jesus?

Whether SSM is legal or not, America is an interesting place, like nowhere else in the western world, people openly speak the gospel and Jesus, and that's great, but America then has great extremes of messed up, with Hollywood, playboy mansion, fornication, prostitution, movies, drugs, alcoholics, the high party life, the definition of what's morally right is completely perverted like nowhere else, USA has violence like nowhere else in the western world, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, you owe me money, I beat you up, you step foot on my piece of dirt you get shot, America has a big range of diversity from the Godly to the corrupt and worldly, from the morally right to the morally wrong, the Godly Americans have greatly led a lot of the world to Jesus, and at the other side of the scale a lot of ungodly Americans have greatly deceived, twisted and mixed up a lot of the western world, if God is calling people to repentance by allowing Satan to cast natural disaster, then we better pray for God's protection over God's people in America, Australia and the world. America is a leading an example for most of the western world, I don't know whether if it's always going to be that way til Jesus comes back, but point is, while there is a lot of Godliness in the USA, there is massive lot of wrong over there too, Mexico is another story, lots of people claim to be Christians and Catholics over there, but many of them make their money out of crime and wrongdoing.

So do unnatural relationships, sinful relationships outside of marriage, immorality bring upon a nation, natural disaster?

To some of these questions and wonders, thoughts in the mind, only God truly knows.

We know from the Bible though, the devil came to steal, kill and destroy, in more ways than one.

 

[breathofdesire]

Let's make this clear, in times of natural disaster, it creates a turning point, a reliance on God, people need God's help in time of natural disaster, the non-christians start seeking for answers, people get led to Jesus. This is all end time stuff though as the world gets worse and worse, and the time gets nearer and nearer, it takes more and more to get people to seek God for help, I agree with you guys though, out of every state, why Texas? Perhaps he was trying to create a peace in Texas, with violence between blacks and whites, violence between gangs, etc, perhaps he was trying to create a peace in the midst of a storm.

But is it God who causes the storm, or does God allow Satan to go a certain length with natural disasters to bring repentance & people to Jesus?

Whether SSM is legal or not, America is an interesting place, like nowhere else in the western world, people openly speak the gospel and Jesus, and that's great, but America then has great extremes of messed up, with Hollywood, playboy mansion, fornication, prostitution, movies, drugs, alcoholics, the high party life, the definition of what's morally right is completely perverted like nowhere else, USA has violence like nowhere else in the western world, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, you owe me money, I beat you up, you step foot on my piece of dirt you get shot, America has a big range of diversity from the Godly to the corrupt and worldly, from the morally right to the morally wrong, the Godly Americans have greatly led a lot of the world to Jesus, and at the other side of the scale a lot of ungodly Americans have greatly deceived, twisted and mixed up a lot of the western world, if God is calling people to repentance by allowing Satan to cast natural disaster, then we better pray for God's protection over God's people in America, Australia and the world. America is a leading an example for most of the western world, I don't know whether if it's always going to be that way til Jesus comes back, but point is, while there is a lot of Godliness in the USA, there is massive lot of wrong over there too, Mexico is another story, lots of people claim to be Christians and Catholics over there, but many of them make their money out of crime and wrongdoing.

So do unnatural relationships, sinful relationships outside of marriage, immorality bring upon a nation, natural disaster?

To some of these questions and wonders, thoughts in the mind, only God truly knows.

We know from the Bible though, the devil came to steal, kill and destroy, in more ways than one.

I would say the land is vomiting people out of it.

Leviticus 18:28 NIV
And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

 

[face2face]

But is it God who causes the storm, or does God allow Satan to go a certain length with natural disasters to bring repentance & people to Jesus?

If you don't know the true nature of the adversary (satan) best practice is not to assume a fictitious creature, after all there is only One who has the power to bring such divine trials upon people.

42:10 So the Lord restored what Job had lost after he prayed for his friends, and the Lord doubled all that had belonged to Job. with him in his house. They comforted him and consoled him for all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring.

F2F.

 

[ScottA]

Let's make this clear, in times of natural disaster, it creates a turning point, a reliance on God, people need God's help in time of natural disaster, the non-christians start seeking for answers, people get led to Jesus. This is all end time stuff though as the world gets worse and worse, and the time gets nearer and nearer, it takes more and more to get people to seek God for help, I agree with you guys though, out of every state, why Texas? Perhaps he was trying to create a peace in Texas, with violence between blacks and whites, violence between gangs, etc, perhaps he was trying to create a peace in the midst of a storm.

But is it God who causes the storm, or does God allow Satan to go a certain length with natural disasters to bring repentance & people to Jesus?

Whether SSM is legal or not, America is an interesting place, like nowhere else in the western world, people openly speak the gospel and Jesus, and that's great, but America then has great extremes of messed up, with Hollywood, playboy mansion, fornication, prostitution, movies, drugs, alcoholics, the high party life, the definition of what's morally right is completely perverted like nowhere else, USA has violence like nowhere else in the western world, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, you owe me money, I beat you up, you step foot on my piece of dirt you get shot, America has a big range of diversity from the Godly to the corrupt and worldly, from the morally right to the morally wrong, the Godly Americans have greatly led a lot of the world to Jesus, and at the other side of the scale a lot of ungodly Americans have greatly deceived, twisted and mixed up a lot of the western world, if God is calling people to repentance by allowing Satan to cast natural disaster, then we better pray for God's protection over God's people in America, Australia and the world. America is a leading an example for most of the western world, I don't know whether if it's always going to be that way til Jesus comes back, but point is, while there is a lot of Godliness in the USA, there is massive lot of wrong over there too, Mexico is another story, lots of people claim to be Christians and Catholics over there, but many of them make their money out of crime and wrongdoing.

So do unnatural relationships, sinful relationships outside of marriage, immorality bring upon a nation, natural disaster?

To some of these questions and wonders, thoughts in the mind, only God truly knows.

We know from the Bible though, the devil came to steal, kill and destroy, in more ways than one.

It is given once for man to die, and in the world we will have tribulation. Every life has it own version of tragedy. We do not draw lots, nor can we really choose that our will rather than God's be done. There are only two choices: Life in Christ, or death alone. Either way, the storms will come. Make the best of things.

 

[Josho]

If you don't know the true nature of the adversary (satan) best practice is not to assume a fictitious creature, after all there is only One who has the power to bring such divine trials upon people.

42:10 So the Lord restored what Job had lost after he prayed for his friends, and the Lord doubled all that had belonged to Job. with him in his house. They comforted him and consoled him for all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring.

F2F.

Well I very well believe Satan is real and has supernatural powers of darkness, and God has the greatest supernatural powers, and am not very much stuck in the belief of storms are a consequence of legalizing and allowing more and more laws and making the norm stuff that goes against God's word, like many others I need to hear from God about this stuff for myself, a lot of prophets out there say hurricane Irma was a satanic storm and revealed the image of the spirit behind the storm, and God allowed Satan to go ahead with it so people would come to repentance, but I haven't heard from God about it myself, as we know even an accurate prophet isn't always 100% right, and with prophecies like that we also got to think about God's people, the Body of Christ when these storms, fires and earthquakes when they hit.

Are they a result of an increasingly sinful world and a increasing persecution towards Christians whether it may be soft or hard, just because our Christian values, morals and belief, who causes them, God knows the answers to these questions, but do any of us really know? We can look at Old Testament examples but that's the Old, the New Testament is the covenant of grace, in the New Testament, it mentions a increasing in war, natural disasters and persecutions, but this is all before judgement day, so have any of you actually heard from God about these matters, why do natural disasters take place, etc.?

 

[DPMartin]

The effect in all countries will be that by the new generations it will be viewed as normal. This is the Whole point, after all, isn't it? To make what is not normal, normal.

It's the normalization that is different. Nothing else has changed. SS persons have Always lived together.

In the U.S. they are adopting children.
A study last year found that children of SS parents are more likely to commit suicide,
if I remember correctly, about 40% more likely.

When satan rules, the outcome is Always bad. It's Always mixed up, and it Always bring to ruination.

That the abnormal will become normal is the enemies goal.

I ask: Why do most persons approve of this?
Maybe because it's so nice to be modern and accept everything?
Maybe because that Group has worked for decades to get to here?
Little by little works a lot better than all of a sudden.
So here we are.

in the case of the US, its what is being taught in schools that everything everybody is and does is ok. the theme is toleration elimination what ever is desired as "wrong" or "bad".

I'm sure a honest phycology expert could explain, just how subtle this all is.

but this isn't anything new mind you, the Romans back in the day would give their children to a affluent (what is called today "pedophile") to gain prosperity and influence themselves. that was like you say normal and socially acceptable then. when the Lord's influence is removed from a society the society return to its deviant ways, you know a dog returns to its vomit.

many of use rag on the catholic church for keeping the grip on the western culture, like an iron fist. but that is what people feared in those days when their power and influence took. and if such people were to practice such it was in secret in the dark places, in the back ally so to speak. now its advertised in your living room via the tv.

again this is all to get people who would not normally entertain such activity to do so. and note the big lie. they always gain sympathy of the society by constantly portraying themselves as victims. everyone seeks to look like a victim that has been oppressed. like the pedophile he is oppressed from expressing himself. just as the homosexual was. now the homosexual has obtained the right to redefine what marriages are. and the family unit. right now in the US is transvestites that are expressing that they are victims also.

no one wants to take responsibility for what they do think or feel when it comes to their own flesh. and the lack of freedom to fulfill their ideas of themselves is evil bad in todays society. hence the morals have changed in western culture. its a different set commandments that men go by, and again of there own judgement of what is good and evil. they reject God's Judgement of what is good and evil.

hence the pot tells the potter what it ought to be.

 

[Marymog]

I am also Australian, but I've decided I'm not getting involved with this.

What I wondered today was, how could they have scientifically tested the impact of same sex relationships on children, when same sex relationships and marriage equality for these couples has been illegal.

It takes along time to test the veracity of any given theory, and longer still to establish them as fact. We don't even understand the fact's around gravity and space, and we've been at that for much longer.

But this all just boils down too matters of the hearts, love and whatnot.

Hi,

Matters of the heart, love and whatnot?

One can love another with all their heart, that does not equate to same sex marriage. I love all the women in my life with my whole heart. That does not equate to marriage and sex with them.

Scripture is VERY clear about marriage and it does not condone same sex marriage.

Love, Mary

 

[breathofdesire]

Hi,

Matters of the heart, love and whatnot?

One can love another with all their heart, that does not equate to same sex marriage. I love all the women in my life with my whole heart. That does not equate to marriage and sex with them.

Scripture is VERY clear about marriage and it does not condone same sex marriage.

Love, Mary

Neither do I.

 

[Marymog]

Neither do I.

Hi,

So why are you not getting involved?

Curious Mary

 

[breathofdesire]

Hi,

So why are you not getting involved?

Curious Mary

No reason, just don't wanna.

 

[Josho]

No reason, just don't wanna.

I voted no, why would I want to support the twisting of morals and the great falling away. The more people who vote no the better, every vote counts, just hope those news polls are wrong about the big backing of the yes vote. I would encourage you to vote no too.

 

[Josho]

Here's the latest, at the coalition for marriage traditional marriage campaign, same sex marriage activists sneak in with this banner. This is where it's headed, dad got temporarily banned from Facebook for sharing a post "to report the yes campaigners for spam for sending txt messages to people's phones", the reason was the post may contain hate speech, when it was nothing, he told Facebook how it was unfair and they unblocked him. The true Christian is losing freedom of speech in Australia, and the vote hasn't even finished yet, and the law hasn't even changed yet, it's ridiculous. I hope Trump reverses more things over in the US, because these movements are destroying western nations. And we would need the Australian conservative party to form government to clean up the mess, which is a pretty small chance, because it's a minor party, or we would need a God job to happen in parliament.

 

[pia]

Another post on the forum speak on the beginning of sorrows and the great falling away, when mans love grows cold and each goes his/her own way in the world...

 

[bbyrd009]

and each goes his/her own way in the world...

or rather of the world, ya. So go and vote then, if you think that will save you, but never mind all that atrazine and unfermented soy being jammed up every orifice, they are all approved by voters too, see, no hypocrisy there at all right

 

[pia]

or rather of the world, ya. So go and vote then, if you think that will save you, but never mind all that atrazine and unfermented soy being jammed up every orifice, they are all approved by voters too, see, no hypocrisy there at all right

I don't get to vote here..........No no you must have misunderstood me, I'm not sure where you were wanting to go with this. I'm all with you on all the poisons we are forced to ingest on a daily basis, from food, water, air etc........Seeing that sign and hearing how terribly they are treating others, made me think of the post on the beginning of sorrows.....that's all.

 

[mjrhealth]

Did not Jesus say,

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
Mat 22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

See they cannot be married in God eyes, all they will ever have is the certificate of marraiage that gives them the same rights as any other married couple in this world. That is politics and of this world not from God. So it matters not one way or the other, but if it should stop the hate and the suicides than I am all for it. Certainy christianity has little to be proud of in teh scheme of things.

 

[kiwimac]

As a Christian and a Priest I am happy to support LGBTQ people.