First bishop at Rome, male or female

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Protestantism has been compelled to rewrite all history according to it’s own necessities. As French historian Augustin Thierry has written, “To live, Protestantism found itself forced to build up a history of its own.”

John Henry Cardinal Newman (1801-1890), the great English convert to Catholicism, who is widely regarded as one of the most profound religious thinkers of his time, wrote in his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (1845), the one indispensable work on this subject:

One thing at least is certain; whatever history teaches . . . at least the Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth, it is this. And Protestantism . . . as a whole, feels it, and has felt it. This is shown in the determination . . . of dispensing with historical Christianity altogether, and of forming a Christianity from the Bible alone . . . To be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant.
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In other words, forming a history of Christianity from the Bible alone is IMPOSSIBLE.

First Council of Nicaea (325) First Council of Constantinople (381) First Council of Ephesus (431) Council of Chalcedon (451) ALL clarified the Trinity due to challenging heresies.

Here is a list of women bishops attending these councils:

As far back as the third century, Irenaeus and Tertullian denounced gnostic and Marcionite heretics for letting women perform priestly functions. In the fourth century St. Epiphanius of Salamis condemned the Montanists for claiming that the difference between the sexes had been abolished in Christ, and for consequently ordaining women as presbyters and bishops. St. Epiphanius pointed to our Lord’s deliberate choice of twelve men as Apostles and added that if a woman could be ordained, “it would have been more proper to Mary than to anyone else in the New Testament to exercise a priestly role.” Not only did our Lord include no woman among the twelve, but the Apostles did not appoint one among their successors. The tradition of the Church is unbroken, and the fundamental reason behind it is the will of Christ.

In the third and fourth centuries the Didascalia and Apostolic Constitutions also justified reserving priestly ordination to men as “the will of Christ” and the “law of the Gospel.” It was noted that the Virgin Mary and the holy women in our Lord’s company were not sent to teach because the Lord “knew the arrangement of nature…being as he was the architect of nature.” As the “author of human nature” and “giver of the law,” our Savior knew best how to assign responsibilities. Likewise, in the Middle Ages, the Scholastics were “unanimous” in saying that women could not be ordained, some adding that any attempted ordination would be invalid. The point about the Virgin Mary found its way into the canonical collection of papal decretals, to emphasize that the exclusion of women from the priesthood was not related to their dignity but to “determination by Christ.”
Early Church Fathers Women's Ordination

You are simply rehashing the same gnostic, Marcionite and Montanist heresies of the 3rd century.

no scripture, no scripture. now as I have said before, if you want to hold a conversation instead of a discussion, that's what facebook and tweeter for.

until you can come to the table with scripture or research, because I have the early church fathers letter. until then ......... Mute :cool:.

 

[epostle1]

no scripture, no scripture. now as I have said before, if you want to hold a conversation instead of a discussion, that's what facebook and tweeter for.

until you can come to the table with scripture or research, because I have the early church fathers letter. until then ......... Mute :cool:.

I gave you scripture, scripture and scripture and you ignored them. I gave historical facts but you are forced to dispense with history and here you are repeating the same heresies of the 3rd century. I am still waiting for ONE scripture that says women were ordained. Instead, you produce verses with the word "women" in it or play other meaningless word games. You assert a nameless "early church fathers letter" but fail to produce it because no early church father supported women's ordination. You have been refuted by your own false assertions and total lack of evidence.

If you are defending your liberal church with ordained women, it's not my problem.

 

[epostle1]

Gen. 3:15; Luke 1:26-55; John 19:26; Rev. 12:1- Mary is God’s greatest creation, was the closest person to Jesus, and yet Jesus did not choose her to become a priest. God chose only men to be priests to reflect the complimentarity of the sexes. Just as the man (the royal priest) gives natural life to the woman in the marital covenant, the ministerial priest gives supernatural life in the New Covenant sacraments.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – fatherhood and priesthood are synonymous terms. Micah says, “Stay with me, and be to me a father and a priest.” Fathers/priests give life, and mothers receive and nurture life. This reflects God our Father who gives the life of grace through the Priesthood of His Divine Son, and Mother Church who receives the life of grace and nourishes her children. In summary, women cannot be priests because women cannot be fathers.

Mark 16:9; Luke 7: 37-50; John 8:3-11 – Jesus allowed women to uniquely join in His mission, exalting them above cultural norms. His decision not to ordain women had nothing to do with culture. The Gospel writers are also clear that women participated in Jesus’ ministry and, unlike men, never betrayed Jesus. Women have always been held with the highest regard in the Church (e.g., the Church’s greatest saint and model of faith is a woman; the Church’s constant teaching on the dignity of motherhood; the Church’s understanding of humanity as being the Bride united to Christ, etc.).

Mark 14:17,20; Luke 22:14 – the language “the twelve” and “apostles” shows Jesus commissioned the Eucharistic priesthood by giving holy orders only to men.

Gen. 14:10; Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17 – Jesus, the Son of God, is both priest and King after the priest-king Melchizedek. Jesus’ priesthood embodies both Kingship and Sonship.

Gen. 22:9-13 – as foreshadowed, God chose our redemption to be secured by the sacrificial love that the Son gives to the Father.

Matt. 26:26; Mark 14:22; Luke 22:19 – because the priest acts in persona Christi in the offering to the Father, the priest cannot be a woman.

Mark 3:13 – Jesus selected the apostles “as He desired,” according to His will, and not according to the demands of His culture. Because Jesus acted according to His will which was perfectly united to that of the Father, one cannot criticize Jesus’ selection of men to be His priests without criticizing God.

John 20:22 – Jesus only breathed on the male apostles, the first bishops, giving them the authority to forgive and retain sins. In fact, the male priesthood of Christianity was a distinction from the priestesses of paganism that existed during these times. A female priesthood would be a reversion to non-Christian practices. The sacred tradition of a male priesthood has existed uncompromised in the Church for 2,000 years.

1 Cor. 14:34-35 – Paul says a woman is not permitted to preach the word of God in the Church. It has always been the tradition of the Church for the priest or deacon alone (an ordained male) to read and preach the Gospel.

1 Tim. 2:12 – Paul also says that a woman is not permitted to hold teaching authority in the Church. Can you imagine how much Mary, the Mother of God, would have been able to teach Christians about Jesus her Son in the Church? Yet, she was not permitted to hold such teaching authority in the Church.

Rom. 16:1-2 – while many Protestants point to this verse denounce the Church’s tradition of a male priesthood, deaconesses, like Phoebe, were helpers to the priests (for example, preparing women for naked baptism so as to prevent scandal). But these helpers were never ordained.

Luke 2:36-37 – prophetesses, like Anna, were women who consecrated themselves to religious life, but were not ordained.

Isaiah 3:12 – Isaiah complains that the priests of ancient Israel were having their authority usurped by women, and this was at the height of Israel’s covenant apostasy.

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[101G]

Gen. 3:15; Luke 1:26-55; John 19:26; Rev. 12:1- Mary is God’s greatest creation, was the closest person to Jesus, and yet Jesus did not choose her to become a priest. God chose only men to be priests to reflect the complimentarity of the sexes. Just as the man (the royal priest) gives natural life to the woman in the marital covenant, the ministerial priest gives supernatural life in the New Covenant sacraments.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – fatherhood and priesthood are synonymous terms. Micah says, “Stay with me, and be to me a father and a priest.” Fathers/priests give life, and mothers receive and nurture life. This reflects God our Father who gives the life of grace through the Priesthood of His Divine Son, and Mother Church who receives the life of grace and nourishes her children. In summary, women cannot be priests because women cannot be fathers.

Mark 16:9; Luke 7: 37-50; John 8:3-11 – Jesus allowed women to uniquely join in His mission, exalting them above cultural norms. His decision not to ordain women had nothing to do with culture. The Gospel writers are also clear that women participated in Jesus’ ministry and, unlike men, never betrayed Jesus. Women have always been held with the highest regard in the Church (e.g., the Church’s greatest saint and model of faith is a woman; the Church’s constant teaching on the dignity of motherhood; the Church’s understanding of humanity as being the Bride united to Christ, etc.).

Mark 14:17,20; Luke 22:14 – the language “the twelve” and “apostles” shows Jesus commissioned the Eucharistic priesthood by giving holy orders only to men.

Gen. 14:10; Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17 – Jesus, the Son of God, is both priest and King after the priest-king Melchizedek. Jesus’ priesthood embodies both Kingship and Sonship.

Gen. 22:9-13 – as foreshadowed, God chose our redemption to be secured by the sacrificial love that the Son gives to the Father.

Matt. 26:26; Mark 14:22; Luke 22:19 – because the priest acts in persona Christi in the offering to the Father, the priest cannot be a woman.

Mark 3:13 – Jesus selected the apostles “as He desired,” according to His will, and not according to the demands of His culture. Because Jesus acted according to His will which was perfectly united to that of the Father, one cannot criticize Jesus’ selection of men to be His priests without criticizing God.

John 20:22 – Jesus only breathed on the male apostles, the first bishops, giving them the authority to forgive and retain sins. In fact, the male priesthood of Christianity was a distinction from the priestesses of paganism that existed during these times. A female priesthood would be a reversion to non-Christian practices. The sacred tradition of a male priesthood has existed uncompromised in the Church for 2,000 years.

1 Cor. 14:34-35 – Paul says a woman is not permitted to preach the word of God in the Church. It has always been the tradition of the Church for the priest or deacon alone (an ordained male) to read and preach the Gospel.

1 Tim. 2:12 – Paul also says that a woman is not permitted to hold teaching authority in the Church. Can you imagine how much Mary, the Mother of God, would have been able to teach Christians about Jesus her Son in the Church? Yet, she was not permitted to hold such teaching authority in the Church.

Rom. 16:1-2 – while many Protestants point to this verse denounce the Church’s tradition of a male priesthood, deaconesses, like Phoebe, were helpers to the priests (for example, preparing women for naked baptism so as to prevent scandal). But these helpers were never ordained.

Luke 2:36-37 – prophetesses, like Anna, were women who consecrated themselves to religious life, but were not ordained.

Isaiah 3:12 – Isaiah complains that the priests of ancient Israel were having their authority usurped by women, and this was at the height of Israel’s covenant apostasy.

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you just don't get it do you. well some people have to have their hand taken and walk them into the truth. so if that's what you need, so be it

Step #1. are prophets ordained? Yes, supportive scripture. Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations". God ordained prophets.

step #2. are women Prophets yes, Exodus 15:20 "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances". Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity". one more, Acts 21:8 & 9 "And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy". so we see in just these few example, which there are many more.

Step #3. Do God give these Gifts? Joel 2:28 & 29 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit".
SO IT'S GOD DOING THIS.. and this prophesy was fulfilled on Pentecost.
Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance". again this is God, the Holy Spirit doing this . and speaking in tongue is a "GIFT".

Step #4. the Spiritual Gifts listing. (1 Corinthians 12:8-11). if one would notice the very first Gift on the list is the Pastoral/Bishop/Overseer Gift. listen, 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit"

in verse 8 above, a word of wisdom gives UNDERSTANDING and in this same verse we have the word of KNOWLEDGE.

Now kepha31, do you know what this means? I guess not. let's explain it to you. we have in this Gift KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING. what do a Pastor/Bishop/Overseer duty or function in the church of God? answer to feed the flock of God with knowledge and understanding. supportive scripture, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding". see kepha31, the very first Spiritual Gift on the List in 1 Corinthians 12:8 is the Pastoral/Bishop/Overseer Gifts. and who is these Gifts for? 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal". and the word "MAN" here is the Greek word,
G1538 ἕκαστος hekastos (he'-ka-stos) adj.
each or every.
[as if a superlative of hekas (afar)]
KJV: any, both, each (one), every (man, one, woman), particularly

Get that? WOMAN too. God is no respecter of PERSON, for in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female.

now you can have your hand back.

1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things". put away those childish things .

 

[epostle1]

you just don't get it do you. well some people have to have their hand taken and walk them into the truth. so if that's what you need, so be it
Step #1. are prophets ordained? Yes, supportive scripture. Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations". God ordained prophets.

Jeremiah was not a woman. He was a Patriarch chosen by God.

step #2. are women Prophets yes, Exodus 15:20 "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances".

Miriam was not a priestess. Being a prophetess does not mean ordination nor does it mean priesthood.

Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity".

There is no evidence that Anna was ordained to be a priestess. I already covered that in post #63 that you ignored.

one more, Acts 21:8 & 9 "And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy". so we see in just these few example, which there are many more.

Prophesying does not equal ordination, you have it stuck in your head that it does.. Nowhere in scripture does it do that. Ordination requires the laying on of hands by an Apostle or bishop. Paul encourages everyone to prophesy, that does not mean that everyone who prophecies is a ministerial priest.

Step #3. Do God give these Gifts? Joel 2:28 & 29 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit".
SO IT'S GOD DOING THIS.. and this prophesy was fulfilled on Pentecost.
Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance". again this is God, the Holy Spirit doing this . and speaking in tongue is a "GIFT".

Prophesying does not equal ordination, you have it stuck in your head that it does. It says nothing about women priestesses or women's ordination. Lot's of women are gifted, that does not make them ministerial priestesses. Nowhere in scripture does a woman succeed an Apostle or bishop.

Step #4. the Spiritual Gifts listing. (1 Corinthians 12:8-11). if one would notice the very first Gift on the list is the Pastoral/Bishop/Overseer Gift. listen, 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit"

Paul is not talking about Pastoral/Bishop/Overseer, and he is not talking about womens' ordination, he is talking about gifts that many have for the upbuilding of the community. He doesn't even mention ordination until Apostles in verse 28. Do you even read your own quotes?

I see you are ignoring 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:12 again.

in verse 8 above, a word of wisdom gives UNDERSTANDING and in this same verse we have the word of KNOWLEDGE.

Now kepha31, do you know what this means? I guess not. let's explain it to you. we have in this Gift KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING. what do a Pastor/Bishop/Overseer duty or function in the church of God? answer to feed the flock of God with knowledge and understanding. supportive scripture, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding". see kepha31, the very first Spiritual Gift on the List in 1 Corinthians 12:8 is the Pastoral/Bishop/Overseer Gifts. and who is these Gifts for? 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal". and the word "MAN" here is the Greek word,
G1538 ἕκαστος hekastos (he'-ka-stos) adj.
each or every.
[as if a superlative of hekas (afar)]
KJV: any, both, each (one), every (man, one, woman), particularly

Get that? WOMAN too. God is no respecter of PERSON, for in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female.

"neither male nor female" has nothing to do with ordaining women, it's about equal dignity in Christ. My Bible doesn't say what you are forcing 1 Cor. 12:7 to say, and again, Paul is addressing a community about spiritual gifts, not women priests. Your trying to specify from a generalization and it doesn't work.

now you can have your hand back.

1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:

but when I became a man, I put away childish things". put away those childish things .

Yea, you should grow up and accept defeat like a KJV: any, both, each (one), every (man, one, woman), particularly

 

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Jeremiah was not a woman. He was a Patriarch chosen by God.

was he a prophet, and prophets are ordain, don't you comprehend?. that's strike #1.

Miriam was not a priestess. Being a prophetess does not mean ordination.

see #1 above, and that's strike #2, please don't let it be 3 ok.

There is no evidence that Anna was ordained to be a priestess.

see #1, that's strike #3, see, ya.

 

[epostle1]

Denial, denial, denial. You have not offered a single verse where any woman was ordained, because there aren't any. Having the gift of prophecy does not make a woman a priestess. It's unbiblical and totally unheard of in the early church. The Blessed Virgin Mary, blessed among women according to scripture, was never ordained. You keep running from that one too.
I've said all that needs to be said. Have a nice day.

 

[101G]

for the masses edification. the Pastoral, the Overseer, and the Bishop Gift, according to 1 Corinthians 12:8 is realized in 1 Corinthian 12:28 a few verse below.
Listen, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues". here these are ordain. but where is the Pastor on this list, or the Bishop, or the Overseer?.

@kepha31, I'll give you another shot at redeeming yourself. can you fin the Bishop/Pastor/Overseer in 1 Corinthians 12:28. if you don't know just say so and I'll reveal the Bishop/Pastor/Overseer in 1 Corinthians 12:28

peace in Christ

 

[epostle1]

for the masses edification. the Pastoral, the Overseer, and the Bishop Gift, according to 1 Corinthians 12:8 is realized in 1 Corinthian 12:28 a few verse below.
Listen, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues". here these are ordain. but where is the Pastor on this list, or the Bishop, or the Overseer?.

@kepha31, I'll give you another shot at redeeming yourself. can you fin the Bishop/Pastor/Overseer in 1 Corinthians 12:28. if you don't know just say so and I'll reveal the Bishop/Pastor/Overseer in 1 Corinthians 12:28

peace in Christ

1 Corinthians 12:28 says nothing about ordaining women to deacon, priest, or bishop. A variety of functions in the church does not mean women were ordained, there is no evidence and no mention of any woman being ordained.
You have continuously ignored 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:12 .
You have ignored the fact that Jesus' mother, the most blessed of all women, was never ordained. I don't think you understand what ordination means.
You can redeem yourself and leave the topic alone.

 

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Let me take you by the hand once more. was not the apostle Paul a Bishop/Pastor/Overseer? yes supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 13:1 & 2 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing".
kepha31 did you see "understand all mysteries, and all knowledge". what do a pastor do? let's see, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding". get that? Paul was a Pastor/Bishop/Overseer. notice in again 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues". see kepha31 the Pastoral/Bishop/Overseer is a GIFT of GOD in the offices or functions listed in 1 Corinthians 12:28. the Apostle is a Pastor/Bishop/Overseer, the Prophet is a Pastor/Bishop/Overseer, and the Teacher is a Pastor/Bishop/Overseer, who feed God Flock with Knowledge and Understanding, as Jeremiah 3:15 states. that's why you didn't see them PHYSICALLY with your NATURAL EYES, for the Pastor/Bishop/Overseer Gift here in 1 Corinthians 12:28 are SPIRITUALLY discern. your NATURAL EYES looked for Pastor, Bishop, or Overseer. sorry NATURAL eyes are no good for Spiritual matters. now let's continue to open your closed eyes so that you may see. not only is Paul an apostle, he's a prophet and Teacher, all describe, and Ordained in 1 Corinthians 12:28a "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly" teachers". now let's see the apostle as a prophet, again, 1 Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, (THERE IS THE PROPHETIC GIFT) and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing". NOW WHAT ABOUT THE APOSTLE PAUL AS A teacher, THE THIRD OFFICE "SET"/ORDAINED IN THE CHURCH. LISTEN. 1 Corinthians 4:17 "For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church". and this one, 1 Corinthians 14:19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue". see kepha31 a Bishop/Pastor/Overseer TEACH, 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach"

the apostle Paul is a prophet, as well as a teacher. and all these "OFFICES"/"WORKS" is of the Spiritual Gift of being a Pastor/Bishop/Overseer. and this Gift is ORDAINED IN THE CHURCH OF THE LORD JESUS. and women are PROPHETS. and prophets are ORDAINED, hence women are Ordained.

how simple can it get. if you can't get it by now. see someone else. for one plant, another water, but God give the increase. so I have planted, maybe another need to water you. and I hope they have a FULL jug... (smile)

peace in Christ.

 

[epostle1]

The discussion is over.

 

[101G]

The discussion is over.

I know.

 

[BreadOfLife]

spanked?. that's child play. 1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things". so grow up, spanking?. ........... LOL, ........ (smile).
now if you can't present grown up information, then you may go out to play...... .

until some real data.... good day. vain jangling is not my cup of tea.

Yes, Scripturally-spanked.

You have been repeatedly disproven but, like the proverbial spoiled child, you persist in your fantasy.
There has been more than enough evidence presented to prove you wrong, so I suggest you try singing a different tune . . .

 

[101G]

@bol, so I take that as you cannot reprove what I said in ""Scripture". look, don't argue with me, but if you have "SCRIPTURAL" proof to prove me wrong, then post the scriptures, not man's opinions.

peace in Christ Jesus.

 

[BreadOfLife]

@bol, so I take that as you cannot reprove what I said in ""Scripture". look, don't argue with me, but if you have "SCRIPTURAL" proof to prove me wrong, then post the scriptures, not man's opinions.

peace in Christ Jesus.

Kepha31, ScottA and I have pretty much carpet-bombed you with Scriptural evidence that smashes your asinine claims to bits - but you refuse to admit it.

 

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this is my point, not every woman is Married.

well I guess we need to throw out those "IN", Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus". again, not every woman is married. one cannot bring the institution ordained in the home to the body, to the body of Christ.


I must strongly disagree with that assessment to a point. the spiritual Gifts are given to both men and women. there is no respect of person in Christ. no, just because I'm a husband I'm rewarded and my wife is not, and we suppose to be ONE?. cannot buy that.

I agree to a point, because we don't know who God called. some men say that they was called, but was not. but the image of God is the EQUAL ANOTHER.

Good, if the Holy Spirit Speak through a woman, who are we to withstand God?.

thanks for the reply, but I'm not moved at all in the beliefs of the scriptures.. I stand completely on the scriptures. now if you can point something out in scripture, please do, but if not the topic stands.

let me say this. why is it so many people just automatically reject what the scriptures says even after the truth is brought out. but as the apostle Paul said, "not all men have this knowledge".

peace in Christ.

I guess I missed this one..

1. It doesn't matter if every women is married or not. The rolls that are portrayed by men and women are just manifest examples revealing a truth about the relationship between God and all mankind, whether male or female. So, you are correct to quote Galatians, as there indeed is no real difference other than the rolls we fulfill...which we do best by following His design.
2. As for spiritual gifts: Paul spoke to a mixed crowd, some that were of the last generation under the old covenant, and also to some under the new covenant. Only during the times of the gentiles and of the new covenant do gifts of the Holy Spirit apply. In which case, whether a man or a women has a word of knowledge from the Lord, does not matter. But for the sake of unbelievers, even during these times, we are best to stick to the rolls of God's original design, that they too may come to know the relationship that God has between Him and mankind. Therefore, marriage is still according to God's design, as is the head of any church.
3. Indeed, many do not love the truth.

 

[101G]

Kepha31, ScottA and I have pretty much carpet-bombed you with Scriptural evidence that smashes your asinine claims to bits - but you refuse to admit it.

Carpet bombed?. (Smile) no such thing. I like you using a majority, because most are wrong

 

[101G]

I guess I missed this one..

1. It doesn't matter if every women is married or not. The rolls that are portrayed by men and women are just manifest examples revealing a truth about the relationship between God and all mankind, whether male or female. So, you are correct to quote Galatians, as there indeed is no real difference other than the rolls we fulfill...which we do best by following His design.
2. As for spiritual gifts: Paul spoke to a mixed crowd, some that were of the last generation under the old covenant, and also to some under the new covenant. Only during the times of the gentiles and of the new covenant do gifts of the Holy Spirit apply. In which case, whether a man or a women has a word of knowledge from the Lord, does not matter. But for the sake of unbelievers, even during these times, we are best to stick to the rolls of God's original design, that they too may come to know the relationship that God has between Him and mankind. Therefore, marriage is still according to God's design, as is the head of any church.
3. Indeed, many do not love the truth.

Thanks Scott. Correct, for the Spiritual Gifts is for "all" to profit, 1 Cor 12:7. And all don't mean men/males only. Thanks

PS I been reading your book, and your wife is correct. You did talk about yourself too much.....(smile). But it's interesting.
Peace in Christ Jesus

 

[epostle1]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it...
Joseph Goebbels; Minister of Propaganda, Nazi Germany

 

[amadeus]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it...
Joseph Goebbels; Minister of Propaganda, Nazi Germany

Mr Goebbels understood a bit about people even if he did not understand about God. What he said could easily be applied to nearly any existing church group including yours or mine if we were to look only at the words of those speaking in support of them without seeing anything of their hearts.