OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

[truth333]

I speak to you as an equal, thus when I spoke of Daniel and Maccabees, I shouldn't have to hold your hand and lead one such as yourself through it. Besides, according to your own words: "No of course not".

You are clueless concerning Daniel and the Machabees. I told you that you speak from a political aspect and I speak from the religious aspect i.e. Davidic Monarchy.

Alexander died in 323 BC. On hundred Seventy Eight years later, King Antiochus unlawfully reigned and set up false altars upon the altar of God, in Israel. In government there is a political aspect and a religious aspect. So don't tell me that I am wrong regarding Daniel and the Machabees. The Davidic monarchy was a prototype of the Catholic church and the Papacy.

1 Machabees 1:56-60 And they drove away the people of Israel into lurking holes, and into the secret places of fugitives. On the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred and forty-fifth year, king Antiochus set up the abominable idol of desolation upon the altar of God, and they built altars throughout all the cities of Juda round about: And they burnt incense, and sacrificed at the doors of the houses, and in the streets. And they cut in pieces, and burnt with fire the books of the law of God: And every one with whom the books of the testament of the Lord were found, and whosoever observed the law of the Lord, they put to death, according to the edict of the king.

 

[Richard_oti]

You are clueless concerning Daniel and the Machabees. I told you that you speak from a political aspect and I speak from the religious aspect i.e. Davidic Monarchy.

Ulay, ulay lo'.

Alexander died in 323 BC. On hundred Seventy Eight years later, King Antiochus unlawfully reigned and set up false altars upon the altar of God, in Israel. In government there is a political aspect and a religious aspect. So don't tell me that I am wrong regarding Daniel and the Machabees. The Davidic monarchy was a prototype of the Catholic church and the Papacy.

1 Machabees 1:56-60 And they drove away the people of Israel into lurking holes, and into the secret places of fugitives. On the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred and forty-fifth year, king Antiochus set up the abominable idol of desolation upon the altar of God, and they built altars throughout all the cities of Juda round about: And they burnt incense, and sacrificed at the doors of the houses, and in the streets. And they cut in pieces, and burnt with fire the books of the law of God: And every one with whom the books of the testament of the Lord were found, and whosoever observed the law of the Lord, they put to death, according to the edict of the king.

So now you decide to answer.
That addresses the latter, care to address the former?

Now that you have addressed the latter, and shown this one to be from out of Greece, can you truly continue to attempt to ascribe this one as coming later, considering that there are two distinct "little horns", and the second written of is the one that comes later.

 

[truth333]

Ulay, ulay lo'.




So now you decide to answer.
That addresses the latter, care to address the former?

Now that you have addressed the latter, and shown this one to be from out of Greece, can you truly continue to attempt to ascribe this one as coming later, considering that there are two distinct "little horns", and the second written of is the one that comes later.

Ulay, ulay lo'.




So now you decide to answer.
That addresses the latter, care to address the former?

Now that you have addressed the latter, and shown this one to be from out of Greece, can you truly continue to attempt to ascribe this one as coming later, considering that there are two distinct "little horns", and the second written of is the one that comes later.

I am done with you. You attempt to twist and mix the political and the religious aspects, in an attempt to refute me, which you cannot. You want to focus on geography, when it is irrelevant. I am talking about Israel and the false altars, with both Daniel and the Machabees. You think that you are smart but not, you are just puffed up with pride. See ya!

 

[lforrest]

I want to thank everyone for making my admin duties so easy.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Richard_oti]

I am done with you. You attempt to twist and mix the political and the religious aspects, in an attempt to refute me, which you cannot. You want to focus on geography, when it is irrelevant. I am talking about Israel and the false altars, with both Daniel and the Machabees. You think that you are smart but not, you are just puffed up with pride. See ya!

Take care.

 

[Dcopymope]

I want to thank everyone for making my admin duties so easy.

Merry Christmas.

Your welcome........

 

[Richard_oti]

<snip>
Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas lforrest. And also to everyone here.

 

[bbyrd009]

Being a heretic is not a good thing.

oh, my apologies. Being an actual heretic, no; being called a heretic, priceless imo.
The Catholic heretics writing right now have written some of the best stuff going imo.
it just translates as "outside the camp" to me

a person believing in or practicing religious heresy.
synonyms: dissenter, nonconformist, apostate, freethinker, iconoclast; More
a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.

"religious" heresy? ya, can't think of any of these defs that i would not be proud to defend
from anyone in the Death Cult calling me that

 

[101G]

OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION?
I'm glad this is posted, so this means the ROMAN CATHOLIC are out of SALVATION, (been knowning that), because CATHOLIC mean "universal", and not ROMAN CATHOLIC..... thanks.

so all of you in the "ROMAN" Catholic faith are doomed according to this poster....... (smile).
Peace in Christ Yeshua.

 

[amadeus]

I want to thank everyone for making my admin duties so easy.

Merry Christmas.

Give God the glory!

 

[amadeus]

oh, my apologies. Being an actual heretic, no; being called a heretic, priceless imo.

No apology needed from you as I understood your point. As to the one who calls me that, well, I have been called probably worse things. I am what I am and I know that God knows what that is. This is NOT to pat myself on the back, but simply to say how things are. I am definitely still a stumbler, but a heretic? Not as I understand the word.

The Catholic heretics writing right now have written some of the best stuff going imo.
it just translates as "outside the camp" to me

a person believing in or practicing religious heresy.
synonyms: dissenter, nonconformist, apostate, freethinker, iconoclast; More
a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.

I am most definitely at odds with what is generally accepted in that group and undoubtedly in others, but how many stones did Jesus throw? How many people did he burn at the stake? At least when the woman caught in adultery was accused, the accusers were honest enough to walk away as each of them realized the shortcomings in themselves.

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1
"...A time to kill, and a time to heal;" Ecc 3:3
"...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:7
"A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." Ecc 3:8
Who should be choosing the time every time?

Outside the camp is not a good place to be, however it is that one got there. Does God put us there, or do we go there on our own?

We do go into camps on our own, but they may not be what we thought they were.

"religious" heresy? ya, can't think of any of these defs that i would not be proud to defend
from anyone in the Death Cult calling me that

My own definition of a heretic would speak of a person who purposely goes against what he believes God put in his heart. Of course, I know that Catholics and others would not agree with this. To see the results of men's false accusations an easy example may be found in I Kings 21 regarding Naboth. He was, according to the law God gave to Moses, legally stoned to death. That should raise some questions in anyone who would too quickly call someone else a heretic. I said should, but likely some people are deluded and act as if they always have the truth without really knowing what it means to love truth.

 

[bbyrd009]

I am definitely still a stumbler, but a heretic? Not as I understand the word.

well i guess a Heretic got crucified, right, so heretic becomes less a truth and more a perception, i guess

I am most definitely at odds with what is generally accepted in that group and undoubtedly in others

hmm, i dunno, you and Matthew Fox seem to witness for each other, imo

At least when the woman caught in adultery was accused, the accusers were honest enough to walk away as each of them realized the shortcomings in themselves.

of course that rarely happens irl i guess, ppl actually admitting to their own shortcomings; so the parable becomes one of contrast, rather than comparison

Who should be choosing the time every time?

ya, good Q, an approach that seems to be gaining popularity is to just deny that any of those times even exist, i've seen this pursued a few different ways lately

 

[bbyrd009]

Outside the camp is not a good place to be

Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

 

[amadeus]

well i guess a Heretic got crucified, right, so heretic becomes less a truth and more a perception, i guess

Oh, yes that was what the high priest said, wasn't it?, except that he used the word blasphemy with the same understanding even as he broke the law by tearing his clothes [Mark 14:63 & Lev 21:10]. This was that temporary covering that God had provided. The High Priest is was also who prophesied about the death of one man for many..

"And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;" John 11:49-51

Does not the High Priest tearing his clothes contrary to the law also signify that there would now be a better covering, a new set of clothes?

"Now Joshua [who was also a High Priest] was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by." Zech 3:3-5


Jesus whose clothes were not torn and his bones not brokenwas made our High Priest [see Hebrews] , the one who could enter into the Holiest of Holiest at any time [not only once a year] and he made it possible for us to gain entry. No one but the High Priest [son of Aaron] was allowed to go there in the earlier times of types or shadows. But now...!

Comes man again to twist the purposes of God and remake the a set of types and shadows to replace the ones that Jesus made unnecessary. The final High Priest tore his clothes and condemned the One who had never deserved condemnation. How long did it take to replace that High Priest in a new order that was NOT God's order? Wasn't it about 300 years? And it has it not continued in its error onto the present day?

I wonder if God sees any heresy in this!

 

[bbyrd009]

I wonder if God sees any heresy in this!

"what you bind here will be bound there," so imo that is likely not even the correct frame, comes from the doctrine of OS imo. If God wanted to show that He saw sin (heresy) in ppl, when He had the Original Sinner in front of Him in the garden seems the best opp to do that, wouldn't you say? But instead He provided a cover, right? Not condemnation, at all

 

[bbyrd009]

see, we warn toddler not to put finger in fire or it will burn and hurt a lot, but then we provide burn cream when toddler does not listen.
God does not do this, even though "skin" might be interpreted that way; God warns, and then allows reaping to occur from sowing. Skin reps "forgiveness" and "grace," but Adam still had to reap from his sowing, right.
but burn cream is like a $billion a year industry now lol

how much clearer will things be seen when our toddler, crying, asks for forgiveness for burning himself, "i'm sorry, dad, i'm sorry," and we tell them "no problem, you are forgiven for doing that, i still love you." period. "but dad, i'm so sorry now, how do i make it go away?" "by not putting your finger in the fire."

see, God did not produce a "miracle" to cure Adam, right, but we do that or seek that all of the time, as a rule. This is where the whole concept of an Angry and Vengeful God comes from, imo, God's refusal to produce miracles on demand, and of course it is the same ppl crying "miracle" at the drop of a hat, seeking miracles rather than just expecting them, like gasoline; diff group imo. (of perceptions, not ppl)

 

[amadeus]

"what you bind here will be bound there," so imo that is likely not even the correct frame, comes from the doctrine of OS imo. If God wanted to show that He saw sin (heresy) in ppl, when He had the Original Sinner in front of Him in the garden seems the best opp to do that, wouldn't you say? But instead He provided a cover, right? Not condemnation, at all

Absolutely! We were suddenly aware of our nakedness and that would not do. Why?

At the first we made ourselves our own covering, but that would not and could not accomplish the purpose of covering ourselves. God took care of it for the short run and for long term. Why do we need to be covered? Consider the practical carnal reasons and then relate them to our spiritual needs.

God did not leave us condemned without hope. He had a plan all along and it has always been possible to pass through successfully to the goal He set before us if we were really was concerned with doing so. God gave us time. God gave us tools. God gave what was needed to get started. Additional help was always available for someone who cared enough press in the right direction.

No heresy by the ignorant.

And OS is?

 

[bbyrd009]

doctrine of Original Sin, also computer DOS believe it or not, but nevermind that part for now lol

 

[bbyrd009]

At the first we made ourselves our own covering

i wonder now how many grasp what the leaves even represent; should be church 101, but i don't recall ever hearing a sermon on it

Spiritual Meaning of Fig tree - Bible Meanings
www.biblemeanings.info/Parables/Fig_tree.htm
Now learn a parable from the fig-tree. When her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh; signifies the first of a new church; the fig-tree is the good of the natural; her branch is the affection of this; and the leaves are truths.

ha yikes, if (you) ever go looking, avoid this guy lol

 

[amadeus]

@bbyrd009

Amadeus said: Who should be choosing the time every time?

bbyrd009 said: ya, good Q, an approach that seems to be gaining popularity is to just deny that any of those times even exist, i've seen this pursued a few different ways lately

We are to be growing always until our "time" is finished. Growing means changing and acting in certain ways at certain times as we are shown. We can bury our "talent" in the ground until the Master returns, but we may find ourselves both rebuked and losing whatever it was we had or thought we had. We can still lose it all in spite of what some may to the contrary:

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Matt 13:12

What is it that we do not have which will be taken away? How about the "ears to hear" of Matt 13:9?
Remember David's prayer?
"Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." Psalm 51:11

I see the Holy Spirit as being the "ears to hear" about which Jesus spoke frequently. If we bury the gift instead of using it, what is the end result going to be? We will become spiritually deaf, no longer able to hear what thus saith the Lord.