Is it time for Christians to become more accepting towards muslims in politics?

[GodsGrace]

I ask myself the same question Aspen.

I just resent that everyone now is supposed ( by law) to hop-to and play nice when all the time the aggressors brought this upon us all...and started changing all the rules of how everyone must live.
Now we are the bad guys if don't pretend that all is well and the world is 'warm and fuzzy' toward one and all.
I cannot just drop my guard and pretend that everything is going to work out well. I can't. Because I don't think it will.

Great post.
Well said!

 

[Windmillcharge]

Sharia law is cultural, not legal

While not every islamic stat opperates undersharia law, it is far more than just cultural.
Islam does not make a distintion between church and state. The mosque is the state and the state is the mosque as fare as islam is concerned.
All good muslims will follow or practise what the sharia law says.

 

[aspen]

While not every islamic stat opperates undersharia law, it is far more than just cultural.
Islam does not make a distintion between church and state. The mosque is the state and the state is the mosque as fare as islam is concerned.
All good muslims will follow or practise what the sharia law says.

I was specifically referring to sharia law in Britain

 

[Windmillcharge]

I was specifically referring to sharia law in Britain

Muslims are to follow and practice islam where ever they are.
If a country is daft enough to allow a two tier legal system that country will get legal chaos.

 

[aspen]

Muslims are to follow and practice islam where ever they are.
If a country is daft enough to allow a two tier legal system that country will get legal chaos.

If you want to understand my post you need to follow the conversation and you might want to watch the video

 

[Stranger]

Really?

No one operated according the ideas of the Great Commision before Christ called us to do so...it didnt stop Him from telling us to do so.

It is interesting that you are selective about what constitutes a ‘Christian nation’.....special emphasis on the self serving aspects, hmm

The Great Commission was not given to nations. It was given to the Church. Christians in various nations operate under the Great Commission. But nations don't. Pretty simple really.

What constitutes a Christian nation is a nation which recognizes the God of the Bible as God. A nation which recognizes Jesus Christ as the Lord and Saviour. That makes them a Christian nation but the nation does not function as a nation under the Great Commission. It provides protection for Christians and supports the Christians efforts in evangelism and missions.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

ISIS is political. Islam is a religion. I am Irish Catholic. I am not a member of the Irish Republican Army. The difference is stark.

Also, the idea of Muslims pretending to be Christian can lead to dangerous practices - it sparked an inquistition in southern Spain - Muslims lost their lifes.

Trust level and faith are the same thing, which can be a sobering fact.......can we claim to be persons of faith and live our lives without trust?

islam is a political nation with a religion. It is not a religion. It comes under the guise of religion to get its foot in the door.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Actually, i posted the link because it seems like a good basic description of sharia law in Britian - i knew nothing about it before this thread and reading the link so I am not sure I can speak intellengently about the subject, yet.

Here is what i got from the article:

1. Sharia law is complicated
2. Sharia law is cultural, not legal
3. Sharia law has legal ramafications for British citizens, concerning how Muslims treat women.

My impressions:

1. Change is scary
2. Sharing power is scary
3. Sorting out new ideas and norms when cultures share space takes time, but can be done well.

If you believe Sharia law is cultural and not legal, then you believe a lie. Being 'cultural' and not 'political' or 'legal' is another way to get their foot in the door.

Sharia Law is not complicated. Obey, obey, obey. Submit, submit, submit. See.

Stranger

 

[Truth]

What does it mean to not accept Muslims? Or homosexuals, for that matter.....

What does it look like? Are we supposed to force them to convert or kill them? Seems to me that God allows people the freedom and dignity to make their own choices, shouldnt we?

Yes I Agree!
Everyone has the right to do as they see fit! If we except what they do, we as believers become partakers in that which they do. I do not Hate them, I do not except their ways, Muslims believe in another god, homosexuals believe that what they do is OK! This will be sorted out in the Future, and not by me, But By the Savior!! All I can do is show the Love Of Messiah!!

 

[bbyrd009]

Muslims are to follow and practice islam where ever they are.
If a country is daft enough to allow a two tier legal system that country will get legal chaos.

it's worked well in Muslim countries for centuries; they all have both. It is you that chooses the legal system (over the Scriptural mandate), isn't it?

 

[bbyrd009]

islam is a political nation with a religion. It is not a religion. It comes under the guise of religion to get its foot in the door.

ya, Christianity is totally different right

 

[bbyrd009]

If you believe Sharia law is cultural and not legal, then you believe a lie. Being 'cultural' and not 'political' or 'legal' is another way to get their foot in the door.

Sharia Law is not complicated. Obey, obey, obey. Submit, submit, submit. See.

Sharia Law is voluntary, and legal courts exist in every country where Sharia is practiced; it is Christians who seek legal redress, huh

it is the law that demands obey, and submit, not Sharia

 

[bbyrd009]

See.

see

 

[Helen]

Sharia Law is voluntary, and legal courts exist in every country where Sharia is practiced; it is Christians who seek legal redress, huh

it is the law that demands obey, and submit, not Sharia

May sound good...but I cannot agree...

 

[bbyrd009]

May sound good...but I cannot agree...

then pick a point and try to dispute it!

cuz you are being lied to about Sharia, ok, i lived around Sharia half my life

 

[Stranger]

May sound good...but I cannot agree...

Good insight. bbyrd is a muslim masquerading as a christian. muslims do that on forums quite often.

Stranger

 

[Windmillcharge]

it's worked well in Muslim countries for centuries; they all have both. It is you that chooses the legal system (over the Scriptural mandate), isn't it?

Try arguing that when you get a speeding ticket ot a tax demand.

We all have to obey the legal system in force in the country where we live.
Muslims should do so to, they like Christians may follow what they believe is a higher, more moral code, but they still have to obey the law of the land.

 

[bbyrd009]

Try arguing that when you get a speeding ticket ot a tax demand.

well, neither of those apply to me anyway, don't drive, and certainly don't pay taxes, but these are a different subject anyway; i obey the laws, i just do not put myself under the law, and this difference seems to be lost on most people, i guess bc it is in insisting that the law be upheld when it suits us that ppl put themselves under the law, not in obeying just laws. You are under the law when you call the cops instead of God iow, as the Book makes only too plain

We all have to obey the legal system in force in the country where we live.

i don't have to do anything, i do so bc i choose to, and laws are holy

 

[bbyrd009]

Muslims should do so to, they like Christians may follow what they believe is a higher, more moral code, but they still have to obey the law of the land.

Muslims in Sharia are following the Scriptural mandate for resolving disputes that arise among those they consider brothers way better than anyone claiming to be Christian that i know; we could go over the Scriptural mandate if you like. And as has already been stated, every "Muslim" country that has Sharia also has civil courts, bc Muslims are no different than us.

Once again, obeying the law is not even in question, except for mjr i guess; the law is inadequate to the concept we are discussing here, and the law even recognizes this?

So, for example, who will you call when you get in a car accident in the church parking lot? Assume one car is disabled, and someone has to go to hospital. Now, your wife is in hospital and your car is not running, who are you going to call

 

[bbyrd009]

it's worked well in Muslim countries for centuries; they all have both. It is you that chooses the legal system (over the Scriptural mandate), isn't it?

Try arguing that when you get a speeding ticket ot a tax demand.

see, you have changed the parameters here, by changing the perspective to what i am called to do, rather than what i can choose to do. The law works two ways, and i am not under the law until i choose the law to be on my side in a dispute.