Can a Christian be only partly saved?

[bbyrd009]

Word of Faith

i assumed that died with Tilton? we moved to Grand Prairie just to go there. Been to a bunch of different towns, Baptist, Pentecostal, buncha others, learned something valuable from pretty much all of them, except Word of Faith, what a mess that place was yikes.

 

[bbyrd009]

Michael,

Many find it confusing to think that a person who seems to continue in sin, could somehow be "perfect" or instantly "sanctified." Yet the scriptures tell us that we are a "new" creation, that it is in fact no longer we who live but Christ who lives in us.

So, if we are going to believe the word of God, sanctification is not the "process" that it would appear to be. But rather that, the explanation of being born again leaves us with two identities until our physical body dies. Thus, when we sin, it is that old and dead man that now becomes baggage; and yet in the other "us" we are One with Christ in spirit and perfect...which is whom God now sees, and He has forgotten the old man who walks the earth until he enters the grave. But that is not us - it was us. It's like carrying around an old photo of us that we are not proud of, and every time it comes out it bring us shame. But...we "were" crucified with Christ - "It is finished."

well, except the guy is a total jerk, and does not confess? Imo Scripture paints a picture of what we may become, but ppl who cannot face owning up to their faults because their egos are too fragile are grabbing onto this and stating "i'm tired of hearing you tell me that i must pick up my cross and follow," etc.

that's the group you want to witness for, Scott?

 

[bbyrd009]

Amen bb.

i'm sure the Q will remain rhetorical, these types selectively reply

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Can a Christian be only partly saved?

No.

Hebrews 11:6
[6] But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 5:22-25
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I am sujesting what God said in the 12 scriptures I gave you are correct and you are wrong. You never gave one scripture. You gave your opinion.
You are sanctified and saved at the same time. I clearly stateted what God said. Your opinion doesnt hold nothing to Gods word. That is what I said clearly.

Actually I did give scriptural reference, book, chapter, and verse. The site provided a link for anyone who cares to read the verse and verify the reference. I had no idea that you don't know how to follow a link.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Ahhh jere we go again You are doing it again. We are not taking about redeption. we are talking sactification. Stop twiting the conversation.
You made a few posts now with no scripture I dont need wat you think. You are not asked to preach whjat you think.

You seem somewhat illiterate, perhaps you should focus on learning the language, then you can understand postings.

 

[ScottA]

Sanctification is a process.
Justification is immediate and is totally from God.

What makes us be a new creation?
Are we one immediately upon justification?
Sanctify means to set apart, to prepare, make ready, for the work of God.
Does a person that has just been saved even understand what God may want of them?

Sanctification, being set apart for God's work, is a life-long process.
1 Peter 1:15-16 is akin to Mathew 5:48
Be perfect
Be holy
It is a desire, a working toward; we are neither perfect nor completely holy, but it is our desire--something to work for.

Romans 12:1
2 Peter 3:18
1 Peter 2:2-3
2 Corinthians 7:1
Philippians 2:12-13

and many more

Everything is immediate with God.

When and [if] we are born again of the spirit of God, that new creation is new in us, but eternal in God. We do not walk in darkness any longer, not one bit, but in the light, for God is with us. With God there is no beginning and no end - this is that new creation, and therefore it is not a process having a beginning and an end, as the things of the flesh and of the world. It just seems that way, because we are prone not to put away (to kill) the the flesh and the old man. But by the spirit of God, we serve Him in spirit forever, even if He is stifled by our old self.

Also, Peter and much of what is written during those times, is written to and for many who were not born again of the spirit during this life, but died in there sins, only to be saved in the death they shared with Christ on the cross, with Christ whom is the Last of those born of the flesh and of the fallen. This is why we are told that we are adopted into Israel, for we too are first born of the flesh, but adopted into Israel - not in this life, but in the same death.

The cross is the apex of all things, the only process, bringing silence in heaven for half an hour...that is all. Therefore, He said, "It is finished."

 

[bbyrd009]

ah cool, none of that "living sacrifice" jazz even needed, huh. i could quote some Crowley here, that exactly mirrors your model, wadr.

If you are a nihilist, why not just admit it?

 

[michaelvpardo]

Sanctification is a process.
Justification is immediate and is totally from God.

What makes us be a new creation?
Are we one immediately upon justification?
Sanctify means to set apart, to prepare, make ready, for the work of God.
Does a person that has just been saved even understand what God may want of them?

Sanctification, being set apart for God's work, is a life-long process.
1 Peter 1:15-16 is akin to Mathew 5:48
Be perfect
Be holy
It is a desire, a working toward; we are neither perfect nor completely holy, but it is our desire--something to work for.

Romans 12:1
2 Peter 3:18
1 Peter 2:2-3
2 Corinthians 7:1
Philippians 2:12-13

and many more

Solid theology (and practical as well.) Some people just like to ignore the resurrection completely, others just imagine that they've "arrived."

 

[ScottA]

well, except the guy is a total jerk, and does not confess? Imo Scripture paints a picture of what we may become, but ppl who cannot face owning up to their faults because their egos are too fragile are grabbing onto this and stating "i'm tired of hearing you tell me that i must pick up my cross and follow," etc.

that's the group you want to witness for, Scott?

The conversation was directed toward the saved, but you have just presented the unsaved, which, yes, could use our witness.

 

[bbyrd009]

The conversation was directed toward the saved,

it was? don't see how wadr

but you have just presented the unsaved, which, yes, could use our witness.

so the church model of "witness" is accepted by you then, iow "witness" is something one does to strangers?

 

[Angelina]

Interesting...

 

[ScottA]

it was? don't see how wadr
so the church model of "witness" is accepted by you then, iow "witness" is something one does to strangers?

I am not sure just where you are coming from here. But the unsaved, whether friend or stranger, are those who sleep. If we then walk in the spirit of life instead of the spirit of death, then yes, we are a witness to life in God among those who might otherwise perish. So it is written, "among whom you shine as lights in the world."

 

[bbyrd009]

If we then walk in the spirit of life instead of the spirit of death, then yes, we are a witness to life in God among those who might otherwise perish.

a big if, i guess, huh?

i gotta tell ya, witnessing to strangers is strictly codependent behavior, and comes under the acronym "TMI" as far as i am concerned.
For it is the members of a man's own household that will be his enemies, and "witnesses" are called to be prepared to give an accounting due to accusations forwarded by enemies. How definitions get so warped is beyond me frankly

 

[bbyrd009]

So it is written, "among whom you shine as lights in the world."

so easy to assume personally that one is "you" in there, huh. Hitler was of course a Shining Light in his own estimation too

 

[GodsGrace]

i assumed that died with Tilton? we moved to Grand Prairie just to go there. Been to a bunch of different towns, Baptist, Pentecostal, buncha others, learned something valuable from pretty much all of them, except Word of Faith, what a mess that place was yikes.

I like the "exorcisms".
Not that I don't believe in real ones,
but those are fun - they make it seem sooooo easy.

 

[GodsGrace]

i'm sure the Q will remain rhetorical, these types selectively reply

Some questions are too difficult.
Reconciliation of two facts is necessary and not easy to arrive at.

 

[GodsGrace]

so easy to assume personally that one is "you" in there, huh. Hitler was of course a Shining Light in his own estimation too

bb
I know what you mean..
OTOH, we can't be putting each other down all the time either.
It's good to give ourselves a lift every now and then..
I think.
Not too much though.

 

[bbyrd009]

Some questions are too difficult.

to even face? man, good luck with Scripture then, lol.
guess that's where we get this retarded "Scripture does not contradict Itself" mumbo-jumbo
"Scripture does not contradict Itself, as long as i just don't read that part!"

Reconciliation of two facts is necessary and not easy to arrive at.

with ego, it is impossible, yes; that is the point, i think

 

[ScottA]

a big if, i guess, huh?

i gotta tell ya, witnessing to strangers is strictly codependent behavior, and comes under the acronym "TMI" as far as i am concerned.
For it is the members of a man's own household that will be his enemies, and "witnesses" are called to be prepared to give an accounting due to accusations forwarded by enemies. How definitions get so warped is beyond me frankly

I hear ya. But He did say, "Ye are My witnesses", and "Go into all the world and make disciples." But you are right, the whole thing can be pretty cliche.