Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[bbyrd009]

Ummmmm, 1 Cor. 5:8 is NOT the only verse I gave you.

you didn't give me that one either lol

heck, you haven't even read it yet imo, you just let some blind guy tell you what it meant

 

[bbyrd009]

Why are you dodging the others (Matt. 5:3, 7:21, Luke 23:43, John 14:2-3, 1 Thess. 4:17, Phil. 3:20, Rev. 21:3-4)??

let's get 1Cor5:8 right first, maybe.

"seek to please God wherever you are at right now"
(and ignore the whole rest of the world that believes Paul said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord,"
which can only be quoted with the help of scribes)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away ...

 

[BreadOfLife]

this is intimated as a double entendre in Scripture due to the prevalence of the then-current Pagan beliefs circulating; now you are just parrotting what the entire rest of the world believes though, i guess.

If you can't figure out where heaven is, or worse yet believe it is like Asgaard or Valhalla or whatever, then you are certainly welcome to propagate that, but believing does not make it true

And your rejection of Heaven and perversion of Scripture doesn't make it true, either.

 

[bbyrd009]

the kingdom is beside you right now, and you cannot quote Paul saying that except in your imagination wadr

kinda rich that a guy who trusts perverts to translate for him is calling me a pervert, don't you think?

 

[Taken]

I said that his drunkenness was sinful

Yes you did. But Scripture didn't call drunkenness sinful until AFTER NOAH WAS DRUNK.

and shows that he wasn't perfect.

No. It shows drunkenness was not called a sin until Noah experienced drunkenness.

Nobody on earth is perfect -

You think, and teach and understand as a natural man, which is but foolishness according to God. And I agree with God.

God prepares (some) men to teach according to His Wisdom and His Understanding.

the Scripture never says that Noah was perfect.

Yes it does; Gen 6:9

Gen. 6:8

says the following:
NIV
But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

KJV
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

And? What does "Gen 6:8" have to do with Gen 6:9, that speaks to Noah's perfection?

The Hebrew word used here is "chen", which mean simpley means "favored" or "graced".
It DOESN'T mean "perfect, sparky . . .

Thanks again for revealing your twisted MO.

I show you Scripture...that speaks to Noah's perfection....

And you go to OTHER Scriptures, that are totally OFF topic, which do not speak of his perfection....and then claim the other Scripture do not speak of perfection....

SO WHAT? No one said those Scriptures DID speak to Noah's perfection.

Why not cite Chinese Laws and tell me they don't apply? LOL....

This position is woefully-ignorant for MANY reasons - not the least of which is the fact that you're giving EVERYBODY a free ride prior to the Law being written.

And I will Agree, YOU CITING the Scriptures you CITED are woefully-ignorant and NOTHING whatsoever to do with Noah's perfection....

What was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed?? there was no Law against their perversions.
Why was Cane banished? there was no Law against killing his brother.

You are not qualified to have such discussions.

What ignorance . . .

Agree. I speak of Gen 6:9 and Noah's perfection....and you say Gen 6:8 doesn't speak to Noah's perfection.....LOL beyond laughable.

Gen 6:9
...Noah was a just man and PERFECT in his generation and Noah walked with God.

And as I already educated you - Gen. 6:9 never says that Noah was "perfect".
That's YOUR Scriptural perversion.

You are too indoctrinated and prideful, to plainly see your own error.

Thank you Lord Jesus, my parents were NOT Catholics and indoctrinated me with a Perversion of Scripture and fake earthly daddy appointed by men.

Sheesh. WOT.

 

[bbyrd009]

"And as I already educated you"

lol. Mr Humility, huh

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes you did. But Scripture didn't call drunkenness sinful until AFTER NOAH WAS DRUNK.
No. It shows drunkenness was not called a sin until Noah experienced drunkenness.
You think, and teach and understand as a natural man, which is but foolishness according to God. And I agree with God.
God prepares (some) men to teach according to His Wisdom and His Understanding.
Yes it does; Gen 6:9

And? What does "Gen 6:8" have to do with Gen 6:9, that speaks to Noah's perfection?

Thanks again for revealing your twisted MO.

I show you Scripture...that speaks to Noah's perfection....

And you go to OTHER Scriptures, that are totally OFF topic, which do not speak of his perfection....and then claim the other Scripture do not speak of perfection....

SO WHAT? No one said those Scriptures DID speak to Noah's perfection.
Why not cite Chinese Laws and tell me they don't apply? LOL....
And I will Agree, YOU CITING the Scriptures you CITED are woefully-ignorant and NOTHING whatsoever to do with Noah's perfection....
You are not qualified to have such discussions.

Agree. I speak of Gen 6:9 and Noah's perfection....and you say Gen 6:8 doesn't speak to Noah's perfection.....LOL beyond laughable.
Gen 6:9
...Noah was a just man and PERFECT in his generation and Noah walked with God.
You are too indoctrinated and prideful, to plainly see your own error.
Thank you Lord Jesus, my parents were NOT Catholics and indoctrinated me with a Perversion of Scripture and fake earthly daddy appointed by men.

Sheesh. WOT.

And Gen. 6:9 says that Noah was rightous/just man. This does not indicate "perfection".

If Noah was perfect, he wouldn't have aged or died of natural causes.
Noah was certainly a good man - but FAR from perfect.

Now - let's address your ridiculous claim that his drunkenness was NOT sinful because it hadn't yet been written in the Law.
You NEVER answered my questions about Cain murdering Abel or Sodom and Gomorroah being destroyed for their wickedness. How could Cain or Sodom and Gomorrah be punished for something that wasn't officially written down as a sin, Einstein??

Why was the whole world destroyed when they did "nothing wrong" according to YOUR asinine logic?
There was NO Law - so why were they destroyed by God??

I can't WAIT to read your answer . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

"And as I already educated you"

lol. Mr Humility, huh

No - just honest. I was stating a fact.

 

[BreadOfLife]

the kingdom is beside you right now, and you cannot quote Paul saying that except in your imagination wadr
kinda rich that a guy who trusts perverts to translate for him is calling me a pervert, don't you think?

Not HALF as rich as the fact that this is coming from a guy who was indoctrinated by Protestant perverts - which statistics show there are more of . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

let's get 1Cor5:8 right first, maybe.

"seek to please God wherever you are at right now"
(and ignore the whole rest of the world that believes Paul said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord,"
which can only be quoted with the help of scribes)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away ...

The above text in RED is NOT what Paul said - however, you STILL have it wrong.

The key phrase is not "We are confident" or "We would Prefer". It is "to be at home with the Lord."
This phrase alone tells us that Heaven is somewhere else and Jesus tells us that we will be with God when we leave this world.

Why do you keep dodging the other verses??
John 14:2-3
My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

1 Thess. 4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

 

[bbyrd009]

This phrase alone tells us that Heaven is somewhere else and Jesus tells us that we will be with God when we leave this world.

ah well, i would say that that might be what the passage is telling you, yes. That is the institutional perspective, i agree

 

[BreadOfLife]

ah well, i would say that that might be what the passage is telling you, yes. That is the institutional perspective, i agree

Soooooo, what about the other verses I presented?
Why are you so afraid to address them?

 

[Heb 13:8]

What Jesus did on the cross doesn't guarantee that I won't sin. It doesn't guarantee that I will stay with Him.

Those who don't repent, they don't have the sanctification of the Holy Spirit working in their lives (nonbelievers who haven't come to faith in Jesus Christ). Believers however are sealed until death. Only believers obtain (agape love) after coming to faith, Rom 8:33, 38-39.

God Bless.

Acts 20:32 "Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

2 Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Co 5:5 Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Eph 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Jesus tells us that we will be with God when we leave this world.

The only people that will be with God in the rapture are those under his blood, born again believers. The veil is over your eyes.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I am not yet to read all of such here yet but i do not believe in OSAS because the Bible does not say OSAS at all, it could of easily of been said but it just was not said at all.

Now one point is that a person claims to be saved, this can mean nothing but just a stupid boast and i have heard it many a time full of just boasting hog wash inflating the ego with self righteousness and they love that OSAS line, because it gives them power.

OSAS could be of Satan and many Satanist have claimed such.

Narrow is the gate and few who find it, not wide !

I don't boast of going to Heaven, if i were to meet Jesus him self i would ask forgiveness, i would not demand anything, look i did this for you ! B/S I can't cut it and the more one comes to understand the Holy Spirit the more one knows you can't cut it. the hope sure is their of cause and the belief that i am not going to hell is assured sure to be sure.
I don't believe that any who truly believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit will go to Hell, others will for sure i know that is true, not that it is my right to judge who will or will not and it's this point that makes it a fact, so don't be to boastful to be sure to be sure, because to say something to another is one thing but to say it in the presence of Jesus Christ well, Oh ! i best not be just so bold i may say to you all and if you don't understand that point well well now.
It's all in Jesus Christ hands as far as i am concerned and i am not back sliding in saying such, it's just i don't like to boast, i am sure i will go the Heaven but i don't go running about boasting about it, that's for sure.
There is a point in the Bible where it says about claiming such a thing is to make Jesus void.

 

[Heb 13:8]

I am not yet to read all of such here yet but i do not believe in OSAS because the Bible does not say OSAS at all, it could of easily of been said but it just was not said at all.

Hi Reggie. If the blood of Christ can't keep us saved then He failed at the cross. Do you believe it's finished at the cross?

 

[Dcopymope]

Hi Reggie. If the blood of Christ can't keep us saved then He failed at the cross. Do you believe it's finished at the cross?

Apparently, some people don't believe Jesus when he said "it is finished" on the cross. The word "finished" means something else other than "complete" or "done" to these people. Apparently, there is more work to be done on our part......

.

 

[Taken]

And Gen. 6:9 says that Noah was rightous/just man. This does not indicate "perfection".

Perfect indicates perfect.

Gen 6:9
Had generations Noe Noe vie Justus atque
PERFETUS fruit in generationibus suis cum Deo ambulcuit.

If Noah was perfect, he wouldn't have aged or died of natural causes.

Scripture is not subject to your understanding, but rather Born Again men are subject to Gods understanding.

Noah was certainly a good man - but FAR from perfect.

Scripture disagrees with you, and so do I.

Now - let's address your ridiculous claim that his drunkenness was NOT sinful because it hadn't yet been written in the Law.

Thanks for sharing your thought process....
LOL, LOL, LOL

You NEVER answered my questions about Cain murdering Abel or Sodom and Gomorroah being destroyed for their wickedness. How could Cain or Sodom and Gomorrah be punished for something that wasn't officially written down as a sin, Einstein??

No need. You have earned the right to remain ignorant.

Why was the whole world destroyed when they did "nothing wrong" according to YOUR asinine logic?

I said nothing about destruction of the earth according to logic.

Again, Scriptural understanding is according to God, not you.

You claim "they did nothing wrong"....

You should try trusting God, instead of yourself.

Gen 6
And God SAW that the WICKEDNESS of men was GREAT in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was EVIL continually.

There was NO Law - so why were they destroyed by God??

Nothing new - destruction then, destruction will commence again - for mans wicked and evil and imperfect Hearts thoughts.

I can't WAIT to read your answer . . .

I can't wait until you start reading Scripture and believing God, instead of Blaming and Calling everyone else names, for your own ignorance.

 

[Taken]

Soooooo, what about the other verses I presented?
Why are you so afraid to address them?

Bully tactics.

 

[bbyrd009]

Soooooo, what about the other verses I presented?
Why are you so afraid to address them?

ah, i never even looked at them, tbh. What would be the point? ok, brb