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of course there is always the truism that as many people read something like the bible there is as many views or opinions of the same.

thing is its counter productive, in the things of the Kingdom of God. for example:

(Gen 41: 15 -39)
Gen 41:15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. 16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. 17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river: 18 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow: 19 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed, such as I never saw in all the land of Egypt for badness: 20 And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: 21 And when they had eaten them up, it could not be known that they had eaten them; but they were still ill favoured, as at the beginning. So I awoke. 22 And I saw in my dream, and, behold, seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good: 23 And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them: 24 And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: and I told this unto the magicians; but there was none that could declare it to me. 25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do. 26 The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. 27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine. 28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh. 29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt: 30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land; 31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it shall be very grievous. 32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass. 33 Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt. 34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years. 35 And let them gather all the food of those good years that come, and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. 36 And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt; that the land perish not through the famine. 37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants. 38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is? 39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

Joseph states flat out its not his opinion, in so many words ( It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer ) hence what was to be known is what God has to say about a matter, great or small. all the opinions of all Pharaoh's servants could never have given the information needed for the survival of Egypt. though one could say, but its a dream sent by God, that would be correct, in the matters of the Almighty given by the Almighty, the Almighty is the interpreter thereof, no one else.

so seeking out one's own opinions, mean's nothing in the Kingdom of God.
 

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of course there is always the truism that as many people read something like the bible there is as many views or opinions of the same.

thing is its counter productive, in the things of the Kingdom of God. for example:

(Gen 41: 15 -39)
Gen 41:15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. 16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. 17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river: 18 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow: 19 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed, such as I never saw in all the land of Egypt for badness: 20 And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: 21 And when they had eaten them up, it could not be known that they had eaten them; but they were still ill favoured, as at the beginning. So I awoke. 22 And I saw in my dream, and, behold, seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good: 23 And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them: 24 And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: and I told this unto the magicians; but there was none that could declare it to me. 25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do. 26 The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. 27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine. 28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh. 29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt: 30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land; 31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it shall be very grievous. 32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass. 33 Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt. 34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years. 35 And let them gather all the food of those good years that come, and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. 36 And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt; that the land perish not through the famine. 37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants. 38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is? 39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

Joseph states flat out its not his opinion, in so many words ( It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer ) hence what was to be known is what God has to say about a matter, great or small. all the opinions of all Pharaoh's servants could never have given the information needed for the survival of Egypt. though one could say, but its a dream sent by God, that would be correct, in the matters of the Almighty given by the Almighty, the Almighty is the interpreter thereof, no one else.

so seeking out one's own opinions, mean's nothing in the Kingdom of God.

Well represented! For as there are many that claim to be Spirit Filled, that spew their opinion's within the confine's of this Site, claiming that they have been lead by the Spirit to these so called opinion's, which one could say about me with what I believe, and as the statement above in verse 38- And Pharaoh said unto His servants, Can we find such a one as this is, [A Man in whom the Spirit Of God Is] One Should Believe what Our Savior Stated - The Spirit will Lead you into All Truth, What Spirit? The Spirit Of God! Who can know the MIND [ Wisdom ] Of God Least He reveal It to You!
 
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Well represented! For as there are many that claim to be Spirit Filled, that spew their opinion's within the confine's of this Site, claiming that they have been lead by the Spirit to these so called opinion's, which one could say about me with what I believe, and as the statement above in verse 38- And Pharaoh said unto His servants, Can we find such a one as this is, [A Man in whom the Spirit Of God Is] One Should Believe what Our Savior Stated - The Spirit will Lead you into All Truth, What Spirit? The Spirit Of God! Who can know the MIND [ Wisdom ] Of God Least He reveal It to You!

that's a big Amen bratha.
 

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Every word on this board is opinion. Even verses from the Bible are opinion - from the translation the poster decides to use, to the purpose for posting the verse - all opinon of the person posting
 
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Every word on this board in opinion. Even verses from the Bible are opinion - from the translation the poster decides to use, to the purpose for posting the verse - all opinon of the person posting

I never state an opinion, that I do not believe to be true, And I do not believe that any one should except any of my opinion's, for I am never sure that I am right! But I believe that Every One is Entitled to My Opinion's!!! LoL! But I believe that all that I hold to be Scriptural will Stand! For I do not base My core Belief's on what others Say, I research the Scripture's for confirmation, which I will always hold to be the Truth!
 

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Do posters here really believe that there are posters who come here to write what they know to be lies?
Everyone here writes what they believe to be correct, which as ideas often clash isn't always true.
The idea of a forum is that we discuss ideas.

No one here is infallible. Have the humility to believe that you could be mistaken.
 

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Every word on this board is opinion. Even verses from the Bible are opinion - from the translation the poster decides to use, to the purpose for posting the verse - all opinon of the person posting

Ah yes, and in expressing some of those opinions, people are led by the Holy Spirit while in others they are not. We are supposed to be able to recognize His voice, and yet many times we do not but we go ahead and presume and say, without knowing, that what we are saying is of and from God.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

So then I would guess that some who believe themselves to be His sheep, are not.
 

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Do posters here really believe that there are posters who come here to write what they know to be lies?
Everyone here writes what they believe to be correct, which as ideas often clash isn't always true.
The idea of a forum is that we discuss ideas.

No one here is infallible. Have the humility to believe that you could be mistaken.

I think you are assuming that truth is truth and opinions are lies. This is false. Opinions can be commentary on truth. Bread is commentary on grain, so to speak.
 
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Ah yes, and in expressing some of those opinions, people are led by the Holy Spirit while in others they are not. We are supposed to be able to recognize His voice, and yet many times we do not but we go ahead and presume and say, without knowing, that what we are saying is of and from God.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

So then I would guess that some who believe themselves to be His sheep, are not.

I am not sure Amadeus....

God is bigger than this board and everyone that interacts with it. Whether the posts are whacky or othodox; the people who post, sincere or wiley; God allows it for good reason.
 
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I am not sure Amadeus....

God is bigger than this board and everyone that interacts with it. Whether the posts are whacky or othodox; the people who post, sincere or wiley; God allows it for good reason.
Yes, God allows it, but in connection with that is there not also a responsibility?

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matt 12:36

Posting words here is effectively speaking. As God looks at what we said and why we said it, we are, I believe, accountable. If they were idle [unnecessary] and hurtful words, would we not be accountable? For a good Catholic, doesn't that mean that he would have to go to a priest and confess his idle words?

On the other hand if the person's words were not idle but hurtful, it would depend on how God looks at it. God is looking at our hearts. If we are communicating with God, as each believer [each sheep] should be doing, would God not have spoken to the person's heart so he would know when to speak or when to be silent or what to say when speech was appropriate?


God certainly allows people to sin and even if God used their sinfulness to accomplish His purpose as He did with Pharaoh in the confrontations with Moses and the Israelites, are the people who sinned not still held accountable for their sins?
 
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Yes, God allows it, but in connection with that is there not also a responsibility?

Personal culpability is part of it, but spiritual growth is hopefully occurring.

Posting words here is effectively speaking. As God looks at what we said and why we said it, we are, I believe, accountable. If they were idle [unnecessary] and hurtful words, would we not be accountable? For a good Catholic, doesn't that mean that he would have to go to a priest and confess his idle words?

I see your point. Priests are definitely part of the process.

On the other hand if the person's words were not idle but hurtful, it would depend on how God looks at it. God is looking at our hearts. If we are communicating with God, as each believer [each sheep] should be doing, would God not have spoken to the person's heart so he would know when to speak or when to be silent or what to say when speech was appropriate?

Yes. However, I tend to see people doing the best they can....the fact that they are spitting piss and vingar is progress from breathing fire.

God certainly allows people to sin and even if God used their sinfulness to accomplish His purpose as He did with Pharaoh in the confrontations with Moses and the Israelites, are the people who sinned not still held accountable for their sins?

Indeed. Learning how to love perfectly takes practice and lots of room for error.
 

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God certainly allows people to sin
Since before Adam, God gave man the ability to choose, which of course we still have today....I cannot quite see it as God allowing someone to sin ( Doesn't Paul get upset that someone accused him of doing evil so that good could come ?) but rather, that He does not interfere.....God, from what I have experienced with Him, acts, when asked.....But when I use the word ask here, it's not the same 'ask' as the way we use it.....We use the word 'ask' of God, as a question, which we don't know the answer to.....This should not be so, unless we are asking for understanding, but if we are asking something specific, then we need to look at it a little differently......
He showed me an example once by this......I go to my bank teller with my withdrawal slip to take , say $ 100, out of my account....When I 'ask' for that money, I don't ask as if I am not getting it ( obviously only works if I do have the money in the account lol )... I ask, fully expecting the teller to give me the money....That is the 'ask' He needs us to use....He says we have already inherited all that is His.......We somehow have to get to know Him well enough to know what He would never say 'No' to, and then use our God given faith, to give Him the ability to DO the thing we are asking for.......God is Love....There is no law against Love........So, anytime, anywhere, if you ask for anything in Love....'His answer is yes and amen' already.....What is usually lacking, is our 100% assurance that He will do it, and if we don't He cannot always manifest it....Like we're putting holes in the fabric of faith, so it can't hold together...I'm not sure we have seen anything differently thus far lol......Am I making any sense to you in this ?
 
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of course there is always the truism that as many people read something like the bible there is as many views or opinions of the same.

thing is its counter productive, in the things of the Kingdom of God. for example:

(Gen 41: 15 -39)
Gen 41:15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. 16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. 17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river: 18 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow: 19 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed, such as I never saw in all the land of Egypt for badness: 20 And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: 21 And when they had eaten them up, it could not be known that they had eaten them; but they were still ill favoured, as at the beginning. So I awoke. 22 And I saw in my dream, and, behold, seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good: 23 And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them: 24 And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: and I told this unto the magicians; but there was none that could declare it to me. 25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do. 26 The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. 27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine. 28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh. 29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt: 30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land; 31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it shall be very grievous. 32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass. 33 Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt. 34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years. 35 And let them gather all the food of those good years that come, and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. 36 And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt; that the land perish not through the famine. 37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants. 38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is? 39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

Joseph states flat out its not his opinion, in so many words ( It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer ) hence what was to be known is what God has to say about a matter, great or small. all the opinions of all Pharaoh's servants could never have given the information needed for the survival of Egypt. though one could say, but its a dream sent by God, that would be correct, in the matters of the Almighty given by the Almighty, the Almighty is the interpreter thereof, no one else.

so seeking out one's own opinions, mean's nothing in the Kingdom of God.

This appears to be a self-defeating topic. You say, "...in the matters of the Almighty given by the Almighty, the Almighty is the interpreter thereof, no one else."

Is the Bible the 'matters of the Almighty'? When one turns to the Bible to learn of God, is he seeking the Almighty's opinion or the opinion of other men?

When the Almighty shows him things in the Bible, and he proclaims them, is it his opinion or that of the Almighty? If it is the Almighty's then why is it nothing in the Kingdom of God?

Your statements leave the believer at a loss to know God or about God through the Bible as they are to not trust their opinion, or anyone elses. The Bible is the Word of God. Given to us by God to know Him. The believer has the Spirit of God in him and can understand and know the things God gives Him out of His Word. The process of studying the Bible and seeking others opinions about things written in the Bible is acceptable to God. And though false teaching and mistakes make up much of the process, God will have His truth known to His people, though they come to it at different times and quantity.

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. 16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.

Proverbs 14
7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

I agree with @DPMartin, @Truth, @amadeus. We should not waste our time in reading or listening to those words in forums or public gatherings which do not give glory to God. Time is precious. Ps 90:12.

Happy Easter. Hugs and prayers for all the Christians here. :)

All glory to God.
 

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Since before Adam, God gave man the ability to choose, which of course we still have today....I cannot quite see it as God allowing someone to sin ( Doesn't Paul get upset that someone accused him of doing evil so that good could come ?) but rather, that He does not interfere.....God, from what I have experienced with Him, acts, when asked.....But when I use the word ask here, it's not the same 'ask' as the way we use it.....We use the word 'ask' of God, as a question, which we don't know the answer to.....This should not be so, unless we are asking for understanding, but if we are asking something specific, then we need to look at it a little differently......
He showed me an example once by this......I go to my bank teller with my withdrawal slip to take , say $ 100, out of my account....When I 'ask' for that money, I don't ask as if I am not getting it ( obviously only works if I do have the money in the account lol )... I ask, fully expecting the teller to give me the money....That is the 'ask' He needs us to use....He says we have already inherited all that is His.......We somehow have to get to know Him well enough to know what He would never say 'No' to, and then use our God given faith, to give Him the ability to DO the thing we are asking for.......God is Love....There is no law against Love........So, anytime, anywhere, if you ask for anything in Love....'His answer is yes and amen' already.....What is usually lacking, is our 100% assurance that He will do it, and if we don't He cannot always manifest it....Like we're putting holes in the fabric of faith, so it can't hold together...I'm not sure we have seen anything differently thus far lol......Am I making any sense to you in this ?
Even so! This is why sometimes when we cite only one verse of scripture, we get into trouble. God put into the scriptures all that a person needs to receive all of the understanding he needs. The problem is frequently the understanding of the scriptures themselves. Consider the following verse to which you allude:

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" Matt 7:7

It is straightforward enough, but without understanding the follow verse we may well ask amiss:

"Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:3

We might say then that with those two verses we will have all that we need, but that also is not so. People use too much logic and fill in too many gaps with their own "take" and their own desires [not God's desires in them] and end up with the wrong conclusion. Then they having a container full of holes they go into a battles presuming that they cannot lose. This is where it requires prayer, communication with God, leaning on the Holy Spirit to move from each error toward where God really wants us to be.
 
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This appears to be a self-defeating topic. You say, "...in the matters of the Almighty given by the Almighty, the Almighty is the interpreter thereof, no one else."

Is the Bible the 'matters of the Almighty'? When one turns to the Bible to learn of God, is he seeking the Almighty's opinion or the opinion of other men?

When the Almighty shows him things in the Bible, and he proclaims them, is it his opinion or that of the Almighty? If it is the Almighty's then why is it nothing in the Kingdom of God?

Your statements leave the believer at a loss to know God or about God through the Bible as they are to not trust their opinion, or anyone elses. The Bible is the Word of God. Given to us by God to know Him. The believer has the Spirit of God in him and can understand and know the things God gives Him out of His Word. The process of studying the Bible and seeking others opinions about things written in the Bible is acceptable to God. And though false teaching and mistakes make up much of the process, God will have His truth known to His people, though they come to it at different times and quantity.

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if Eve didn't go by her opinion of what God said, when the serpent challenged her knowledge of God's commandment, and entertain what the serpents opinion of God and what He said was, would we be where we are today?

when Jesus was challenged He stayed strictly to "it is written" no commentary after that was there. and Jesus is the fulfillment of what pleases the Father in the Son.
 

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if Eve didn't go by her opinion of what God said, when the serpent challenged her knowledge of God's commandment, and entertain what the serpents opinion of God and what He said was, would we be where we are today?

when Jesus was challenged He stayed strictly to "it is written" no commentary after that was there. and Jesus is the fulfillment of what pleases the Father in the Son.

Yes, the world would be in the condition its in today regardless of what happened in Eden. Adam and Eve could have rebuked Satan and obeyed God if they wished, the knowledge of sin was cropping up within humanity sooner or later just like it did within Satan himself. Lets not forget what Paul stated in Romans 8, that the creation was made subject to 'vanity' by God himself.
 

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Yes, the world would be in the condition its in today regardless of what happened in Eden. Adam and Eve could have rebuked Satan and obeyed God if they wished, the knowledge of sin was cropping up within humanity sooner or later just like it did within Satan himself. Lets not forget what Paul stated in Romans 8, that the creation was made subject to 'vanity' by God himself.


A&E died of the Life the day they ate of the tree, and then where made subject to vanity by God

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

hence the life in the flesh Paul speaks of earlier in romans 8 which is separate from the Life in and of the Spirit in this case. but the being subjected to the life in the flesh is by God but not the result of man. the Lord didn't have to let them live out any life seeing they could have bein eliminated from existence altogether. by virtue of the covenant :


Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

hence God in His Mercy let them be in the life of the flesh subject to it. such as sweat of thy face to eat, and other thing mentioned by Paul in romans 8.

and you don't seem to know that the "Faith" is in the Word of God and placing belief or trust otherwise is death. and you don't know if they would have eaten from the Tree of Life and lived forever should they have disregarded the serpent's words, do you?

see the preacher's "all is vanity" without the Mercy of God to let the sons of man be born again all would have returned to the earth. all that men do returns to the earth all that God does is forever.
 
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