Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

So "THE CHURCH" you were talking about IS the Catholic Church.

There is no other Church. Jesus only established ONE.
All of the other Protestant denominations of that ONE Church are man made factions.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No. Jesus established and is building His Church in the hearts of men, built on the Rock foundation Of Christ who is the Lord Jesus.

The Established Roman Catholic Church rejected teaching Jesus is the Christ for nearly 300 years.

Documented historical evidence, please.

Making those kinds of impotent claims may work with your Catholic-hating sect - but having to provide evidence for this moronic claim is a whole different kettle of fish . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Salvation doesn't come through a church or a religin, it comes through a person Jhn 14:6. God bless

Wrong.

We are saved BY the sacrifice of Christ - but we are saved THROUGH His Church - His very Body. (Matt. 18:15-18, Acts 9:4-5, 1 Tim. 3:15, Heb. 1:22-23).

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, that's not what I'm saying. That's what the devil is saying to you. Do you see now how he mixed truth with lies? The devil hates the cross and what was accomplished there, so he condemns believers. God bless.

Jhn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

No - you're just trying to weasel your way out of your erroneous earlier claims.

I asked you flat-out:
It was NEVER your responsibility to do God's will??
It was NEVER your responsibility to to be accountable for your actions??

And YOUR response was:
"No, it was never our responsibility to die for the sins of the world It is finished."

That's NOT what I asked you.
You are claiming by the false doctrine of OSAS that we are NOT responsible for our actions after coming to the Lord - a man made precept which the Bible flatly rejects.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nor is that ANYTHING what I said.

That is 100% false.

I said to YOU:
The idea that we cannot fall from grace and walk away from God is anti-Scriptural

Here is what YOU responded with:
"I didn't say a man can not fall from grace or walk away.
I said effectively a man BORN AGAIN Man is forever Born Again, and is Kept forever IN Christ, BY the Power of Christ.

NO ONE can undo that."

So, YOU are saying that a man CAN fall from grace and walk away from God - and STILL be saved.
This is a total perversion of the Christian faith.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Isnt at all and teh evidence is stacked against you. You have absolutely no proof, its all hearsay, innuendo and lies. Not to be expected from one who knows not the truth,

And this is another empty, impotent charge.

I have shown DOZENS of times that the Catholic Church can trace itself in an unbroken line all the way back to the Apostles - a claim that NO Protestant sect can make, as they only go back as far as the 16th century.

While the Apostles John was presumable still alive - his student, Ignatius of Antioch wrote the following:
Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Eucharist, obedience to the Bishops and clergy - these are CATHOLIC precepts that are being written about while an Apostle is STILL ALIVE.

YOUR turn . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Then why bring it up?

The ONLY Church established by Jesus and His Apostles: The Catholic Church.

No one in the Bible ever called it the romanist church
The world did that

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That is 100% false.

I said to YOU:
The idea that we cannot fall from grace and walk away from God is anti-Scriptural

Here is what YOU responded with:
"I didn't say a man can not fall from grace or walk away.
I said effectively a man BORN AGAIN Man is forever Born Again, and is Kept forever IN Christ, BY the Power of Christ.

NO ONE can undo that."

So, YOU are saying that a man CAN fall from grace and walk away from God - and STILL be saved.
This is a total perversion of the Christian faith.

Impossible
He was never saved to begin with
Man can fool you and I, but man cannot fool God

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And this is another empty, impotent charge.

I have shown DOZENS of times that the Catholic Church can trace itself in an unbroken line all the way back to the Apostles - a claim that NO Protestant sect can make, as they only go back as far as the 16th century.

While the Apostles John was presumable still alive - his student, Ignatius of Antioch wrote the following:
Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Eucharist, obedience to the Bishops and clergy - these are CATHOLIC precepts that are being written about while an Apostle is STILL ALIVE.

YOUR turn . . .

Foolishness
Basing your belief in God from someone called a church father who pressumably hung out with Saint John is proof of nothing.
If that's all you've got, then you got nothing.

 

[Grams]

Once you understand what GOD and JESUS has done to save you ,!!!!!

You of course will never walk away !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So that means you are saved for ever.........

Because you did believe............. !!!

But if you really did not believe well.............. how could you be saved to begin with ?????

 

[Heb 13:8]

We are saved BY the sacrifice of Christ - but we are saved THROUGH His Church - His very Body.

We're saved through His body by the message they preach (Grace salvation), but it's only by belief that you become part of His body. Jhn 3:16

No - you're just trying to weasel your way out of your erroneous earlier claims.

Acts 9

You are claiming by the false doctrine of OSAS that we are NOT responsible for our actions after coming to the Lord - a man made precept which the Bible flatly rejects.

No BOL, we are responsible for our actions. That's what the Bema Seat is for.

 

[mjrhealth]

And this is another empty, impotent charge.

I have shown DOZENS of times that the Catholic Church can trace itself in an unbroken line all the way back to the Apostles - a claim that NO Protestant sect can make, as they only go back as far as the 16th century.

While the Apostles John was presumable still alive - his student, Ignatius of Antioch wrote the following:
Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Eucharist, obedience to the Bishops and clergy - these are CATHOLIC precepts that are being written about while an Apostle is STILL ALIVE.

YOUR turn . . .

Like I said no evidence, and all the evidence is stacked against you. Jesus doesnt go around forcing people art pain of death to join His church. Thats the devils doing.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Like I said no evidence, and all the evidence is stacked against you. Jesus doesnt go around forcing people art pain of death to join His church. Thats the devils doing.

Jsh 1:5 No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.

Psa 37:25 I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread.

Psa 68:6 God sets the lonely in families, he leads out the prisoners with singing; but the rebellious live in a sun-scorched land.

Psa 129:2-4 “they have greatly oppressed me from my youth, but they have not gained the victory over me. 3Plowmen have plowed my back and made their furrows long. 4But the Lord is righteous; he has cut me free from the cords of the wicked.”

2 Tim 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Heb 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

Cutting Ties- Knowing When It's Time To Walk Away- Part 2

 

[Taken]

There is no other Church. Jesus only established ONE.

And what name did Jesus give His ONE Church?

Roman Catholic?

Are you Roman Catholic?

 

[Taken]

Documented historical evidence, please.

In short -

Historically and Ancient of the Hebrews & Jews ~
God is the Rock.
Deut. 32:4
He is the Rock...a God of Truth without inquity...Just and Right.

Historically of the Gentiles ~
Jesus is the Christ, the Rock, a Gentiles God.
Matt. 1:23
God with us.

God & Christ are One.
Father & Son are One.
John 10:30
I and my father are One.

Historically Jews wanted to kill Jesus for making Himself God.
John 10:30
....makest theyself God.

Jesus challenging His own chosen Disciples.
Matt. 16:15
Whom do you say ye I am?

Simon Peter answers.
Matt 16:17
The Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Jesus reveals.
That is True ~
Jesus IS the Christ,the Son of the Living God.

And another Truth ~ Only God reveals the understanding to a man, that Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Matt 16:17
Jesus reveals, Simon Barrona is Blessed for having received this understanding from God.

Jesus reveals, Simon Barrona shall be called Peter.

Jesus reveals, Upon THIS ROCK, CHRIST; that:
Jesus IS the Christ,the Son of the Living God;
IS UPON what Jesus;
SHALL BUILD HIS CHURCH

Person by Person who follows Jesus' teachings Is called a Christian:
And every Christian WHO is given the Understanding From God, that Jesus IS the Christ, their God with them; Christ IS Their God, Their Rock, Their Truth, Just and Right, Their Savior.
And the Person becomes a part of Christ's Church....
HIS HOUSEHOLD OF GOD...Christ's Church.
Eph 2:19

Christ's Church IS Within Men ~
Link 17:21

Making those kinds of impotent claims

Scripture Reveals. I believe what Scripture Reveals.

may work with your Catholic-hating sect -

I didn't mention hating Catholic "sects", nor mention my supposed "sect".

My disagreement is with YOU.
I do not believe Jesus ESTABLISHED the Catholic Church in Rome.

I believe Jesus ESTABLISHED "HIS CHURCH", Based ON Him, that He is the Christ, God WITH us, and that "HIS CHURCH" is daily "BEING" Build, UPON HIS FOUNDATION.
That He is the Rock, WITHIN men, person by person, UPON HIM, the ROCK, is Building HIS CHURCH.....WITHIN MEN; INVISIBLE to the WORLD....NOT build with the hands of men.

but having to provide evidence for this moronic claim is a whole different kettle of fish . . .

The Word of God, is what I Trust, and unlike you, I do not find it moronic.

 

[Taken]

That is 100% false.

I said to YOU:
The idea that we cannot fall from grace and walk away from God is anti-Scriptural

Here is what YOU responded with:
"I didn't say a man can not fall from grace or walk away.
I said effectively a man BORN AGAIN Man is forever Born Again, and is Kept forever IN Christ, BY the Power of Christ.

NO ONE can undo that."

So, YOU are saying that a man CAN fall from grace and walk away from God - and STILL be saved.
This is a total perversion of the Christian faith.

Your misunderstanding is about Salvation.

You IMPLY you can not LOSE something, you never POSSESSED.

Scripture teaches Salvation IS A GIFT.
Scripture teaches Salvation IS A GIFT for ALL men TO TAKE and HAVE and THUS POSSESS.

Scripture teaches IF ONE NEVER TAKES and and RECEIVES and HAS and POSSESS the GIFT......
THEY DON"T POSSESS THE GIFT!

Learning ABOUT the gift....IS NOT POSSESSING the gift.
IT is Learning the Gift exists.
IT is Learning HOW TO TAKE and POSSESS the Gift.

Men who are Learning ABOUT the gift...
....ARE being enlightened to the Word of God.
Men who are being enlightened to the Word of God......ARE being enlightened BY the Word of God......WHICH IS GOD HIMSELF, WHO IS SPIRIT!

Men WHO ARE being Enlightened...are BEGINNING to receive the GIFT OF FAITH...

The Gift of Faith IS Gods GIFT TO a MAN WHO IS being enlightened!

Continue...being enlightened...Continue receiving the Gift of Faith from the Holy Spirit.

Continue...and a mans HEART becomes FULL of Faith.

Continue ...and a mans HEART is prepared to CONFESS His Faithfulness to the Lord, and RECEIVE......the Lords CONVERSION.

The Conversion IS WHEN the man;
RECEIVES the Gift of Forgiveness.
RECEIVES the Gift of Crucifixion with Christ.
RECEIVES the Gift of Cleansing his body.
RECEIVES the Gift of body Sanctification.
RECEIVES the Gift of Salvation of his soul.
RECEIVES the Gift of Gods Seed...quickening the mans spirit.
RECEIVES the Gift of God overpowering the mans sins, with Gods INDWELLING LIGHT.
RECEIVES the Gift of God Forever being WITH the man, and He Forever Being the mans God.


Not everyone who begins learning, being enlightened, following along.......CONTINUE
Following, CONTINUE learning, CONTINUE being gifted with Faith, CONTINUE being enlightened........
THEY CHOOSE TO WALK AWAY...

And BECAUSE they WALK AWAY...
THEY stop being enlightened.
THEY stop receiving Faith.
THEY thwart their opportunity to Receive Converstion.

THEY LOSE OUT on receiving thei Gifts Prepared FOR THEM "TO" RECEIVE.

They LOSE OUT.......because they HAVE FALLEN FROM FAITH.

They LOSE OUT.....because they NEVER received "THEIR" prepared Gift of Salvation.

They were being Enlightened....and have FALLEN AWAY.

YOU attempt to MAKE THEM having already receive the Conversion, of Gifts of Salvation, of Gods Seed, of Gods Indwelling Spirit........and then claim they can FALL AWAY.

I totally disagree with that teaching.

God is a God of the Living.
A Conversion of a man, makes a man FOREVER Living WITH God.
A Conversion is NEVER Taught to be UNDONE.

 

[Taken]

That is 100% false.

I said to YOU:
The idea that we cannot fall from grace and walk away from God is anti-Scriptural

Here is what YOU responded with:
"I didn't say a man can not fall from grace or walk away.
I said effectively a man BORN AGAIN Man is forever Born Again, and is Kept forever IN Christ, BY the Power of Christ.

NO ONE can undo that."

So, YOU are saying that a man CAN fall from grace and walk away from God - and STILL be saved.
This is a total perversion of the Christian faith.

Men can fall from faith, fall from Gods Grace, fall from believing, walk away in disbelief....

THEY FALL BECAUSE they DID NOT "RECEIVE" Gods GIFTS!!!!!!!

They Forfeit RECEIVING Gods Forgiveness, Gods Sanctification, Salvation, Gods Seed, Gods Conversion...

You attempt to MAKE men WHO HAVE been Converted....SUBJECT TO FALLING AWAY...

I totally disagree.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you?

It's a learned concept. Do you thank God for your food, thank God for having completed cleaning the toilet and shower and sink? Do you understand the intent? Such as being in a rush to get your groceries in your car because it is raining, but instead stand in the rain and help an elderly person get their groceries in their car and them safely in their car....and when they say thank you...say something to the effect the Lord lead you there for them...

But on the other hand shooting a neighbors pesky dog who is on your property killing your chickens.....may certainly happen...and that would be glorifiying to God?

It's about learning precepts, or how to be prepared, and know...so that what you do do, is glorifying to God.

It's not a instant thing. It's a taught and learned behavior, is the point.

Why do you assume to know me?
How do you know what I thank God for?
Do you suppose YOU are the only one on this forum glorifying God?
I don't require a response.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why would my spouse prepare a nutritious meal for me.....gee IDK...



Cause IF my spouse loved me...I would be only eating the foods I love ... right?

Using general examples, is getting off topic.

You brought up the silliness,
I hope I've ended it.
No response is required.

 

[Helen]

@BreadOfLife

Have you ever wondered as I often do....what on earth these people would post about on this forum site if you weren't here?

You draw so much attention.lol