Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[Truth]

No such Scripture as 3 days and 3 nights in the Belly of the Great fish '~what Happened to the ONE sign, Yeshua~' saying, explains everything.

Jonah Chapter 1:17 - Now the LORD had prepared a Great Fish to Swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the Belly of the Fish three days and three nights.

 

[Helen]

The fact that certain issues are too far above your spiritual level does not mean they are stupid blatherings.

I didn't know that we had met...so you think that you know me?
I don't think so. But I can see the difference between mindless blather and spiritual insight.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You say the "preparation" in this verse is Friday, Abib 15 and that the bodies had to be taken down before the Sabbath on Abib 16. Correct?

No, "That Day the Preparation" in Luke 23:54, '~Friday, Abib 15~', was "That Day the Preparation the Sabbath nearing", that is, "That Day the Preparation" '~Friday, Abib 15~' ENDING / beginning ending "mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing" -
'epephohsken Sabbaton',
'epi-e-phohs-k-en',
'epi-' = "mid-inclining",
'-phohs-k-' = "daylight" after noon
'-en' = "was",
NOT BEGINNING because "That Day the Preparation" in Luke 23:50 = Mark 15:42 = Matthew 27:57 = John 19:31 = '~Friday, Abib 15~', was That Selfsame Day "the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath", '~Friday, Abib 15~' BEGINNING, beginning with "evening having come" / "evening having had come", when Joseph "went in" and asked Pilate for the body, which Selfsame Whole Day was "on the sabbath of THAT-DAY (which) was great-day-of-sabbath" of the passover, BEGINNING in Luke 23:50, and was '~Abib 15~' beginning Thursday "evening" the "evening" after sunset of 'the Sixth Day of the week', called "The Preparation" called "the Fore-Sabbath".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

why was that Sabbath "an high day"? I say it was because the annual Sabbath of Abib 15 and the weekly Sabbath coincided

"That Day was great-day-of-sabbath" is John's unique description of the passover's "sabbath", the "sabbath" only mentioned in Leviticus 23:11,15. It is impossible to dogmatise on John's singular usage of the expression.
Interpreters loose track when they assume the Leviticus "sabbath" in the phrase "the day after the sabbath" for "the Sabbath of the LORD" in Leviticus 23:3 and 38. In the greater and passover context of Leviticus "the sabbath" in the phrase "the day after the sabbath" simply, as is there described, indeed specified, is the "sabbath" = "rest day" OF THE FIRST SHEAF.
The first sheaf had to be "reaped"="cut off"="lifted up" (crucified and killed) "on the first day they always had to KILL the passover (lamb)" Mark 14:12=Matthew 26:17=Luke 22:7=John 13:1=Leviticus 23:21,22,10. (Abib 14 Crucifixion day)
It had to be "brought to the priest", "And the priest shall wave=prostrate=lay down=REST the sheaf before the LORD=in the sanctuary-store to be accepted=stored=RESTED for you" over the whole day following. (Abib 15 Burial day)
The first sheaf was reaped on Abib 14 and was rested on Abib 15; "And on the day after" the first sheaf was rested on, that is, "on the day after the sabbath-" rest-over-day of the first sheaf, "the priest shall That Day that ye wave=reveal=lift up again the sheaf ... offer...", and also "begin to count" to Pentecost / Shavuot, verses 12 to 15. (Abib 16 Resurrection day)

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Huh? The three days of darkness took place in Exodus 10:22. Afterwards, they spoiled the Egyptians. Then Abib 14 took place. Are you also saying there was three days of darkness when Yeshua died even though the gospels say three "hours"?

At the exodus it was literally three days darkness for the Egyptians and literally three days of light for Israel WHILE GOD BROUGHT THEM OUT AND REDEEMED THEM.
For Jesus it was his whole Life the Light of the world in the darkness and shadow of death. But never was the darkness thicker than the Last Week, and never were his days darker than his "three days in the heart of the earth", and never were his hours darker than the last three of his Life the Light of the world in the darkness and shadow of death.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Jonah Chapter 1:17 - Now the LORD had prepared a Great Fish to Swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the Belly of the Fish three days and three nights.

Yes, that happened to Jonah, not to Jesus. Jonah was in the belly of the fish; Jesus was in the heart of the earth. Jonah was literally in the belly of the fish; Jesus was figuratively, metaphorically, symbolically, in the heart of the earth -- literally three days and three nights literally retrospectively; in the heart of the earth in every which way and direction spiritually.

 

[gadar perets]

I didn't know that we had met...so you think that you know me?
I don't think so. But I can see the difference between mindless blather and spiritual insight.

I don't have to meet you to know certain issues we have discussed are over your head, thus "mindless blatherings".

 

[gadar perets]

No, "That Day the Preparation" in Luke 23:54, '~Friday, Abib 15~', was "That Day the Preparation the Sabbath nearing", that is, "That Day the Preparation" '~Friday, Abib 15~' ENDING / beginning ending "mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing" -
'epephohsken Sabbaton',
'epi-e-phohs-k-en',
'epi-' = "mid-inclining",
'-phohs-k-' = "daylight" after noon
'-en' = "was",
NOT BEGINNING because "That Day the Preparation" in Luke 23:50 = Mark 15:42 = Matthew 27:57 = John 19:31 = '~Friday, Abib 15~', was That Selfsame Day "the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath", '~Friday, Abib 15~' BEGINNING, beginning with "evening having come" / "evening having had come", when Joseph "went in" and asked Pilate for the body, which Selfsame Whole Day was "on the sabbath of THAT-DAY (which) was great-day-of-sabbath" of the passover, BEGINNING in Luke 23:50, and was '~Abib 15~' beginning Thursday "evening" the "evening" after sunset of 'the Sixth Day of the week', called "The Preparation" called "the Fore-Sabbath".

Sorry, but I cannot understand what you are saying because of the poor English grammar you use. As a result of the above, I have no idea what day the preparation day was.

and that the bodies had to be taken down before the Sabbath on Abib 16.

If the Sabbath was on Abib 16, then the day before was the preparation day of Abib 15 which began on Thursday night in your view. That is exactly what I wrote;

"You say the "preparation" in this verse is Friday, Abib 15 and that the bodies had to be taken down before the Sabbath on Abib 16. Correct?"
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Yet, you answered with "No". Please speak plain English. If you can't, then just quote an English translation.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Sabbath was already ended according to Matthew 28:1.

Cul de sac

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If the Sabbath was on Abib 16, then the day before was the preparation day of Abib 15 which began on Thursday night in your view. That is exactly what I wrote;

You placed Burial and Crucifixion and Death on Abib 15; it was Crucified / Killed though on Abib 14; Buried on Abib 15; Resurrected on Abib 16.
It is impossible for anyone not to recognise "The Preparation" 'Friday' before the weekly Sabbath Seventh Day of the week. Friday the Sixth Day of the week: BURIED on "that Selfsame Whole-Day BONE-DAY ye shall EAT ulb" Abib 15.
It is impossible for anyone not to recognise "The Preparation" BEGAN in Luke 23:50=Mark 15:42=Matthew 27:57=John 19:31,39.
It is impossible for anyone not to recognise "The Preparation" began ENDING in Luke 23:54=after Luke 23:50-53=after Mark 15:42-47=after Matthew 27:57-61=after John 19:31-41=in 42.

It is impossible for anyone not to recognise, not to see, there is NO CRUCIFIXION, NO DEATH, ON "The Preparation" 'Friday' before the weekly Sabbath Seventh Day of the week.

 

[mjrhealth]

1Ti 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

"You say the "preparation" in this verse is Friday, Abib 15 and that the bodies had to be taken down before the Sabbath on Abib 16. Correct?"

No. I didn't say that. I said, "The Preparation" in these verses, Luke 23:50=Mark15:42=Matthew 27:57=John 19:31, was 'Friday', Abib 15 "great day of sabbath" of the passover BEGINNING, 'ehn Paraskeueh', and that the bodies had to be taken down on it, for, the prospective "great day of sabbath" of the passover on Abib 15.

 

[gadar perets]

You placed Burial and Crucifixion and Death on Abib 15; Crucified / Killed Abib 14; Buried Abib 15; Resurrected Abib 16.
It is impossible for anyone not to recognise "The Preparation" 'Friday' before the weekly Sabbath Seventh Day of the week. Friday the Sixth Day of the week: BURIED on "that Selfsame Whole-Day BONE-DAY ye shall EAT ulb" Abib 15.
It is impossible for anyone not to recognise "The Preparation" BEGAN in Luke 23:50=Mark 15:42=Matthew 27:57=John 19:31,39.
It is impossible for anyone not to recognise "The Preparation" began ENDING in Luke 23:54=after Luke 23:50-53=after Mark 15:42-47=after Matthew 27:57-61=after John 19:31-41=in 42.

It is impossible for anyone not to recognise, not to see, there is NO CRUCIFIXION, NO DEATH, ON "The Preparation" 'Friday' before the weekly Sabbath Seventh Day of the week.

OK GE. I'm going to bow out of conversing about this. You seem well entrenched in your belief and I in mine. At least we can agree the Sabbath is for believers today.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

OK GE. I'm going to bow out of conversing about this. You seem well entrenched in your belief and I in mine. At least we can agree the Sabbath is for believers today.

It only is heart sore that we do not agree on the REASON we believe the Sabbath. I do not believe the Sabbath because the Law tells me to keep it. I cannot keep it anyway. But I may and am given it to believe it, for no reason and due to no reason than, that Jesus Rose from the dead "on the Sabbath" to give us the Rest of His Salvation, and that "If Jesus gave them Rest, there remains therefore, for the People of God the Christian Church, Sabbath Day of Rest", "the Seventh Day GOD THUS CONCERNING SPAKE ... in these last days, BY THE SON", "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD, your, GOD", "the Seventh Day GOD, Finished, All, His, Works", "The Seventh Day God" in Christ Jesus, "from all his works RESTED", through Christ rested, by having RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, "on the Sabbath".
God be merciful to me, your sinner child

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

1Ti 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

"The words that I speak are spirit and life. You search the Scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, while they testify of Me, yet, you won't come to Me, so that you can have eternal life."

 

[mjrhealth]

"The words that I speak are spirit and life. You search the Scriptures, reading them thinking they bring you life, while they testify of Me, yet, you won't come to Me, so that you can have eternal life."

Amen and still today they dont.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Your first mistake is in quoting the Greek phrase. The Greek of Mark 15:6 reads, "Κατὰ δὲ ἑορτὴν", but you say it reads, "kata heortehn". Where is the Greek "δὲ" in your quote?
Second, you translate "kata" as "on". I searched through many translations and could not find one that uses "on". I could not even find a lexicon that gives "kata" the definition of "on".
Third, "Κατὰ δὲ ἑορτὴν" literally translate as "At but feast". Most translations add the word "that" to yield "But at that feast". They put the word "that" in italics to show it is not in the Greek text. Some add "every" instead of "that", but the fact of the matter is "every" is added by man and is not found in the Greek text.

Smile...

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

GE:
John 18:39,40 [Leviticus 16:10]
ἔστιν δὲ συνήθεια ὑμῖν ἵνα ἕνα ἀπολύσω ὑμῖν ἐν τῷ πάσχα·
But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover:
It was established, 'Christian' practice. 'Christian' not because worship services were held on every Sunday, but because worship services were NOT held on Sundays, but on the FOREGOING Sabbath!
And 'Christian' custom it was, not because any holiness was attached to Sundays, but BECAUSE OF THE CHRISTIAN EXPRESSION per se, the new and uniquely ChristianNOMENCLATURE AND WAY OF THINKING among the young Christian Community, for days of the week, in this case for or "according to the custom, to every First (Day) [Mian (Hemeran) of the week [sabbatou] privately reckon out and put aside" something for the future shipment of the Corinthians' relief help to Jerusalem.

What was an "established, 'Christian' practice"? Worshiping on the weekly Sabbath? If so, I agree. If you are calling the "FOREGOING Sabbath" the "First (Day) [Mian (Hemeran) of the week [sabbatou]", then I totally disagree.

Smile

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

GE:
'Christian it was' because 1Corinthians 16 verses 1 and 2, and, even up to the end of the Letter, was Paul's 1 Corinthians 15 SABBATH SERMON'S, closing announcement / announcements started in 15:58 and 16:1 "concerning the collection" read before the believers in Congregation and holy communion of the saints on the Sabbath Days EVERYWHERE!

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. 1 Corinthians 16:1-3 refers to a ONE TIME "commercial gathering" of goods for the starving saints in Jerusalem. It does NOT refer to a weekly "collection" where they passed the plate around. The "commercial gathering" of relief goods was "FOR the saints", not "FOR the church" so they can conduct weekly services on Sunday or undergo their buildings projects.

Smile

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, KJV
Mark 15:42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, NIV
Mark 15:42 καὶ ἤδη ὀψίας γενομένης ἐπεὶ ἦν παρασκευή ὅ ἐστιν προσάββατον
The Greek in bold reads, "And now evening come". The "evening" referred to is late afternoon, not evening after sunset. The Preparation Day was Abib 14, the day Yeshua died to fulfill the Passover Lamb. The weekly Sabbath was Abib 15 and Sunday was Abib 16.

The Aorist Participle γενομένης "And now evening come" is not Present Continuous Indicative, but in English is the Past Perfect: "already come". Reason? ἐπεὶ ἦν παρασκευή ὅ ἐστιν προσάββατον, "because it already had become The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath", 'Thursday' after sunset. ἦν, Indicative Aorist Punctiliar Ingressive and CON-stative. NOT Imperfect though.

It was “while came Joseph” Mark 15:42 ‘elthohn’, and John tells Joseph came “after these things” John 19:38 of the Jews in John 19:31-37, and the Jews “asked Pilate” their stuff “since The Preparation had begun” – ‘epei ehn Paraskeueh’ in John 19:31. Therefore Mark and John and Luke 23:50 must have been after the sunset and after dusk in “That NIGHT” John 19:39.