Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Triumph1300]

The reason the Bible is not specific about who will lose their salvation is because none will lose their salvation.

That's not true.
There are indications about who will not see the kingdom.
Some people become born again and serve the Lord for years.

I saw it happen.... some decide after awhile: "that's it, I will go back to my old lifestyle".

They repent no more, attend no more fellowships, stop reading their bibles, goof up left and right, etc.

Oh, yes, I heard some people say: "They were not born again in the first place."
I say: "Balony".

 

[Stranger]

That's not true.
There are indications about who will not see the kingdom.
Some people might become born again and serve the Lord for years.

I saw it happen.... some decide after awhile: "that's it, I will go back to my old lifestyle".

They repent no more, attend no more fellowships, stop reading their bibles, goof up left and right, etc.

Oh, yes, I heard some people say: "They were not born again in the first place."
I say: "Balony".

No you didn't. Your observation does not trump God.

Stranger

 

[epostle1]

You are such a coward. You claim many cease to have faith yet you don't know who. If you don't know who, then quit trying to present yourself as though you do know.

I have answered your robotic lists to the point of nausea. So don't say I have avoided them.

The reason the Bible is not specific about who will lose their salvation is because none will lose their salvation.

But then their are those who pretend they are saved but are not.

Stranger

Unlike Protestants, we don't pretend to know who is saved and who isn't. Salvation is guaranteed if one perseveres to the end. We cannot have infallible assurance until we are dead. That is what "the end" means. I'll spare you the reams of scripture but you will just ague about them anyway.

 

[Enoch111]

Unlike Protestants, we don't pretend to know who is saved and who isn't.

Non-Catholics can only know about their own salvation with certainty, and based upon Scripture and the inner witness of the Spirit.

1 JOHN 5
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Enoch111]

We LOSE our salvation.

The Bible makes it clear that eternal life is God's GIFT to the one who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that we are saved by God's grace, not by works of righteousness which we have done.

Therefore a genuine child of God cannot lose his or her salvation (which includes the New Birth). Just like a baby cannot be unborn and return to it's mother's womb, a regenerated Christian cannot be *un-regenerated*.

 

[LC627]

It appears that you don't understand what Purgatory is because it does not require "works".
Purgatory is the final purification of the elect.

Since Revelation 21:27 tells us that nothing unclean can enter heaven, a final purification or purgation is necessary for some before entering heaven. Those in Purgatory will indeed make it into heaven. As the great Protestant author, C.S. Lewis once stated, “The mercy of God demands purgatory.”

Regardless of what some may say, the belief in Purgatory is scripturally-based. In 2 Macc. 42-46, we see that Judas Maccabeus prays for the men of his army, killed in battle. Verse 44 says, “… for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.”

Matt. 5:25-26 tells us that unless we have settled our matters, we will be “handed over to the prison guard and will not be released until we have paid the last penny.”

We are told in 1 Cor. 3:12-15 that the day (judgment) will disclose the foundation that a person builds upon and how it will be revealed: “If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.”

Additionally, Matt. 12:32 states, “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”, which indicates that there is purification after death for some. Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are additional verses that support this doctrine.

All of these verses point to the fact that those in Purgatory will suffer loss but will eventually be released (purified, purged from iniquity, saved). Purgatory is for the believer who dies in God’s favor (without the stain of mortal sin) but is in need of final purification before entering heaven.

The purification of Purgatory is not something ADDED to what Christ did on the cross. It is BECAUSE of what He did on the cross.

John 15:3 - You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
Jude 24 - Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy

 

[Triumph1300]

regenerated Christian

What is a "regenerated" Christian?
Is that the one that was back sliding and heading into the wrong direction and going to get lost??

So....a Christian cannot get lost, he just need to be "regenerated" ...that's what OSAS is all about?

 

[Stranger]

Unlike Protestants, we don't pretend to know who is saved and who isn't. Salvation is guaranteed if one perseveres to the end. We cannot have infallible assurance until we are dead. That is what "the end" means. I'll spare you the reams of scripture but you will just ague about them anyway.

Unlike Protestants, you can't answer for yourself.

Oh yes, please spare me.

Stranger

 

[LC627]

Unlike Protestants, we don't pretend to know who is saved and who isn't. Salvation is guaranteed if one perseveres to the end. We cannot have infallible assurance until we are dead. That is what "the end" means. I'll spare you the reams of scripture but you will just ague about them anyway.

Quick question, If you can't have infallible assurance until you are dead then that doesn't even line up with Scripture. To have the Holy Spirit living in you means that you are saved - The Spirit is the Seal of Salvation - so yes, you can know if you are saved.

Romans 8:9 - You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Romans 8:16 - The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.

If you can't know you are saved until death then you are basically against the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

 

[Enoch111]

What is a "regenerated" Christian?

Here's the answer from the lips of Christ Himself (and born again" = born from above, born of the Spirit, born of God, regenerated, the New Birth):

JOHN 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [water = the Gospel, the Word of God]
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

So a regenerated Christian is one who has been supernaturally born of God, thus becoming a child of God, as well as a "new creature in Christ".

 

[Triumph1300]

If you can't know you are saved until death then you are basically against the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

That's what I was thinking too.

Sometimes doubting is a good thing.
Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 13:5 “examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith.”
We are to test ourselves to be sure that Jesus is truly our Saviour and the Holy Spirit is truly in us.

 

[Triumph1300]

So a regenerated Christian is one who has been supernaturally born of God, thus becoming a child of God, as well as a "new creature in Christ".

I am well aware of all the things you posted.

But if you talk about a "regenerated" Christian, can you tell me what a "ungenerated" Christian is?

 

[Enoch111]

I am well aware of all the things you posted.

But if you talk about a "regenerated" Christian, can you tell me what a "ungenerated" Christian is?

One who believes and professes to be a Christian, but is not regenerated. There are many.

 

[Taken]

They ALL point to the fact that your salvation is conditional on your cooperation with God's will.

What you FAIL to comprehend...."IS" the "CONDITIONS" for a man to "cooperate",
"IS" "BEFORE" the man "IS" Converted.

Hear
Learn
Follow
Believe
Call on the Lord in heartfelt Belief
Become Converted

Those are things AN UNSAVED MAN DOES...
TO BECOME "CONVERTED", 'BY' and through Christ Jesus thee Lord.

Scenario A

We are saved.
We cooperate with God's will and remain faithful to the end.
We spend eternity with God.

Scenario A
Natural born men ARE AGAINST God.
Natural born men ARE WITHOUT God.
Natural born men ARE THEY "WHO" while "IN THEIR SIN", Become SAVED, BY THEIR submission TO THE Lord, and His SAVING GRACE.

Scenario A RESULT
FOREVER BY THE POWER of God, the man IS "ONCE" and "FOREVER" Converted, and "FOREVER" WITH the Lord.

Scenario B

We are saved.
We become complacent and eventually fall away by refusing to be obedient to God's will.
We LOSE our salvation.

Scenario B
A Natural born man ... NEVER believes Jesus IS the Christ.... = NO Conversion
(This applies to MANY Gentiles.)
(This applies to MANY Jews.)

A Natural born man ... CLAIMS to believe Jesus IS the Christ...BUT DOES NOT TRULY Believe that.... = NO Conversion
(Such a man HAS FOOLED men, BUT NOT Fooled God).

A Natural born man ... WHO
Believes in God, but not Jesus=No Conversion
(This applies to MANY Jews)
....THEY may or may not continue to adhere to their Jewish Laws....
.... IF they continue to adhere to their Jewish Laws TO THEIR END, "THEY" have "endured",
AND SHALL BE SAVED.
.... IF they do not continue to adhere to their Jewish Laws TO THEIR END, "THEY" have jeopardized "THEIR" Salvation.

You claim to be a Christian, Believing IN Christ Jesus, YET at the same time, WITHOUT understanding teach you are SUBJECT TO what Jews are SUBJECT TO, (that DO NOT believe Jesus IS the Christ).

Any man Jew or Gentile......WHO BELIEVES in their Heart Jesus IS THE CHRIST....ONCE and FOREVER becomes CONVERTED and FOREVER IS WITH THE Lord His God.

Any man Jew or Gentile.....WHO BELIEVES in God........BUT NOT JESUS as Christ.....CAN ENDURE TO THE END....BY Adhering to the JEWISH LAW....and AT his end, BECOME SAVED.

Your Church IS OLD and historically established......and TEACHES a MIX of the OLD and NEW Covenant BEING APPLICABLE AT THE SAME TIME regarding an individual.

It isn't. It IS "either the OLD WAY" "OR" the "NEW WAY"......or neither for an atheist.

Jewish Disciples/Apostles were TEACHING Jews....
They were NOT TEACHING THEM .... "TO"...
Believe IN GOD...."THAT" was already established WITH THE Jews.

THey were TEACHING THEM....WHAT THEIR God PROMISED....A MESSIAH...had ARRIVED, and brought a NEW GOSPEL of Salvation prepared FOR THEM to RECEIVE "THEN" !!
ONCE and FOREVER........

OR....should they CONTINUE in their LAW...
They would have to CONTINUE in their LAW, to their END....and HOPE, they were found ACCEPTABLE BY GOD, TO BE SAVED!

You should have Learned.....MEN FAIL at KEEPING THE LAW!!!
You should have Learned.....The URGENCY the Jewish Apostles were teaching....to the Jews.......TO RECEIVE YOUR ONCE AND FOREVER SALVATION NOW.......SINCE...

MEN FAIL at keeping the Law.....hello....you are always IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING OUT on receiving your Salvation.

LEARN to divide the Word of Truth.
NOT Everything taught TO JEWS, BY JEWS applies TO A Gentile.

 

[Taken]

NOT according to the Bible.
Epignosis means that they were born again.

What a minute....

How about YOU define what "Epignosis" means...ACCORDING TO YOUR understanding.

 

[Taken]

The "end" is our physical death. You don't understand this??
We must endure to our death.

It is OBVIOUS, "your" understanding and "my" understanding is NOT THE SAME.

"WHAT" exactly must "YOU" "endure" to your death?

It is NO different for Jews than it is for Christians - or ANYBODY else.

Well, ya, IT IS.

PAY attention to what Scripture SAYS.
It is a HISTORICAL ACCOUNT of MENS beliefs and MEN "changing" what they BELIEVE.

God doesn't "change" the rules depending on your race.

No one said "He does"....."CHANGE" the "rules".

You simply do not NOT acknowledge, the rules didn't change.....but rather "MEN CHANGE"....and DECIDE WHICH "RULES" "THEY" "CHOOSE" "TO" "SUBJECT THEMSLEVES TO", become the "RULES" applicable "TO THEM individually".

 

[Taken]

And it's ALL a process - just like the fact that . . .
- We ARE Saved (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
- We are BEING Saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
- We WILL BE Saved (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).

Men ARE Naturally born AGAINST God.

The FIRST man, was neither Naturally born, Hebrew, Jew or Gentile.....he was WITH God and God was WITH him....he stood against God....he became subject to physical death that he had to experience...yet his soul became Saved forever unto the Lord.

NONE "ARE" SAVED, because they LEARN.

Men "ARE" SAVED, because they call on the Lord WITH heartfelt BELIEF "IN" that Lord Jesus "IS" the Christ.

Men WHO "ARE" subject TO THE LAW, "BECOME" Saved "IF" they remain in adherence "TO" the Law.

You attempt to teach.....BOTH apply to you..

THAT is false.

 

[Triumph1300]

One who believes and professes to be a Christian, but is not regenerated. There are many.

That throws OSAS out the window.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are such a coward. You claim many cease to have faith yet you don't know who. If you don't know who, then quit trying to present yourself as though you do know.
I have answered your robotic lists to the point of nausea. So don't say I have avoided them.
The reason the Bible is not specific about who will lose their salvation is because none will lose their salvation.
But then their are those who pretend they are saved but are not.
Stranger

It's not for me OR you to know WHO stopped having faith.
That is between them and God.

I DO know, however, that the Word of God warns us about it . . .
Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19

 

[Triumph1300]

But BOL, these scriptures don't count.