Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

[bbyrd009]

That is the only reason I refer to 1 John 1:9 to show the futility and the vanity of seeking forgiveness from God through a priest.

hey, i agree that it is gutless, and will not result in salvation unless they also confess correctly, but to an indoctrinated Catholic they are doing just what the Bible says, and God can show them truth if they seek it to, just like anyone. I dunno if they scribed out "one to another" in their version of the Bible or what, but i'm sure taking the easy way out and just confessing to a priest without coming clean IRL has IRL consequences too, and yes i know some Catholics like that too, but i'm confident they will reap what they sow, and after all they really are not hard to detect and avoid, if avoidance is your aim?

But imo conversion or proselytizing is no less worse, these are also grave sins.
Have you had a single Catholic agree with you yet?

 

[bbyrd009]

How does reciting what the Lord has said as written in scripture as a warning to believers to always be ready, is to be taken as a date setting thing for His return as the Bridegroom?

bc when you say "soon" i hear some mass event that will be witnessed by everyone then alive or whatever, and not "soon" as it applied to Paul, for instance. Iow it seems a physical return is anticipated, "soon and very soon, we are going to see the king" like that, instead of what was meant; "The kingdom does not come by observation."

so if one can't see Christ right now, that still does not mean that He is not here, as the appearances sans recognition in the Acts are telling us. Close your eyes and look, and there He is!

 

[bbyrd009]

If He had said two days from now as a specific date of the return of the Bridegroom in scripture

tag for later

 

[Taken]

Your commitment. You did it.

That is absolutely Correct.
I chose, I elected to submit to Christ, to God. I called on the Lord with a Yes to His offering.

And my choice, my election, my submission, was POSSIBLE, By and Through the Lords Offering.

And my choice, my election, my submission to have been MADE Converted was Effected BY and Through the Lords Power.

And my choice, my election, my submission, my Conversion IS KEPT and SHALL remain BY and Through the Power of God, WHO IS Christ the Lord.

That is how I had opposed myself in my doubleminded state before the Lord has set me free so people can see my hope and faith is all on Him for following Him as His disciple as I rest in Him as my Saviour that I am saved when I had believed in Him at the calling of the gospel.

You show yourself as a hypocrite. Wagging your tongue at others as if they do not give the Lord credit for their Conversion.

IF you DID NOT make your choosing, your election, your submission to God........how exactly DID it happen for you...?
Did the Lord FORCE you to accept His Offering of Conversion?

Again, I say that Masons, AA, and NA cannot see your faith in Him

Oh good grief. You think you have everyone pegged naming organizations and you know the hearts of every member? Pfft!

because even scripture testifies that your vow or your commitment is the work of your hands;

My commitment to the Lords offering, was effected as an agreement VOW, between the Lord and myself both agreeing to the exact same thing. He established the Agreement. And I Agreed to His Agreement. Not rocket science.

that His word requires you to do it ALL

Actually no it does not. His Word does not APPLY to ALL MEN!
When the Lord God spoke to Hebrews, was He talking to Gentiles? Uh no. Learn to divide the Word of Truth.

for why He is not helping you keep your commitment wherein men can boast.

WOW....you sound like a broken branch....

First you JUDGE me for declaring I Stand with the Lord...
Then you DICTATE WHO the Lord "helps"....

You need to back off pretending you have been appointed to Decide what other men have done is acceptable to you and Decide Who the Lord helps....and go Assess yourself.

I know He is in your life and is helping you as He has helped me, .....

AND NOW....YOUR HYPOCRITICAL BOASTING?

but I stopped being a yo yo in breaking my commitment in doing the best I can

when I realize He wants me to rely on Him all the time

WELL, WELL....thanks for sharing what YOU learned and the understanding thereof.

However I don't conclude He wants me to rely on Him ALL the time.

Do you rely on the Lord to guide you on what to eat? On when to do your laundry? On which mattress to choose or car to buy?

thus He has set me free from the vanity of trying to keep my commitment the best I can in following Him.

Good for you. Nice of you to share you have arrived at some semblance of maturity. However that is not a new revelelation to me. Nor have you quoted my words trying to prove your accusations.

Even His disciples bearing fruit are to be pruned so they can bear more fruit. John 15:1-2

So you might want to consider asking Him to set you free from your commitment to never speak of it again when it is really your faith in Him is what you are talking about as standing apart from the rudiments of the religious world so that your faith in Him will shine among religious men and sinners so they can come to and rest in Him for all things.

You might want to consider WHO does the pruning!

Now is your opportunity to USE my own words against me, instead of your words!

 

[bbyrd009]

If He had said two days from now as a specific date of the return of the Bridegroom in scripture, how many saved believers would be tempted to indulge in sins until that time

um, my guess would be all of them lol, a pox on believers i say, particularly the "saved" ones, def the worst of the bunch.
Father forgive me for being that guy for like 40 years lol
But that is not why no date is given ok.

The time is always now, and the date is always today, as brought out in other passages

 

[bbyrd009]

as well as His help to be willing to leave this life & our loved ones behind.

bro you're supposed to be doing that already wadr, why are you waiting for Jesus?
Do you need the Script for this?
See why maybe a 'future literal return' scenario is so tempting? keeps you from doing right today, see.
New International Version
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,

New Living Translation
Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don't really need to write you.

English Standard Version
Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.

Berean Study Bible
Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you.

Berean Literal Bible
Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to be written to you.

New American Standard Bible
Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you.

King James Bible
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

an obvious subterfuge, as of course anyone who holds Rapture is literally dying to know a date. What is going on here is that children (of God) are being told the literal equivalent of "stay here for the present," and then going out and teaching "Jesus is coming to bring us presents." Understand "thief in the night." Iow by the time you realize it, it is too late. This is speaking to a perspective, ok; your current perspective, wadr.

Jesus never left you, nor forsook you, and anyone telling you otherwise is deceived. Doesn't mean they aren't being as earnest as they know how, but you didn't wake up this morning saying "hmm, i think i'll go be a hypocrite today" either now, did you.

They are serving God too, as weird as that seems at first read.

 

[bbyrd009]

So do as Luke 21:33-36 and pray always that He will have you ready to go because the Bridegroom can come at any moment.

well bless your heart, and ty for your concern, and i do mean that sincerely. it is easy to see that you are doing God's will, just like me!

 

[bbyrd009]

So do as Luke 21:33-36 and pray always that He will have you ready to go because the Bridegroom can come at any moment.

So empty your pockets and walk out your front door right this minnit, and don't be stopping for any conversations on the way to your first town. Stay in one house when you get there, and eat what they feed you. The Bridegroom is waiting for you right now, and you will meet Him on the way somewhere, at some point.

one good lecture deserves another i guess

 

[Taken]

an obvious subterfuge, as of course anyone who holds Rapture is literally dying to know a date.

Disagree. While those who believe in attempting to chart a return date may believe in the Rapture....

I do not believe anyone who believes in the Rapture attempts to chart or believes those who attempt to chart Jesus' return date.

I think many believe in the Rapture, ie Jesus lifting His Church (people, the converted) up above the earth, during the tribulation years.

Those remaining have made no choice to Be with Him, thus they are not lifted up.

Some during the first half of the tribulation will Convert, and be lifted up between the 5th and 6th seal opening.

The remainder will continue their rejection and suffer during His Wrath upon the earth.

Just as Noah was lifed up, while the Lords Wrath was upon the earth, and men suffered those consequences....so it shall be again...
But not with water, rather with fire.

Jesus never left you, nor forsook you, and anyone telling you otherwise is deceived.

Amen!

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

I do not believe anyone who believes in the Rapture attempts to chart or believes those who attempt to chart Jesus' return date.

i'm sure you meant "everyone" there rather than "anyone," and you might be right, even if i haven't met any of those, but it is irrelevant what they believe anyway. Believe in Rapture all you like, and no one is harmed.

Believe in Rapture to the point it affects your next action--and at some point the belief will inevitably do this--and now maybe you got a prob, bc what effect will the belief most likely manifest? One of inaction at best, and certainly not one of service to others, right now.

The most likely effect--strictly as a thought experiment--would be to create a false sense of detachment from now, i guess, along with some other disturbing observations that may be made about one holding this belief, i got a list somewhere, but it is so pointed it would just prolly upset you. It causes ppl to deny their birthright

Neverminding the "lay down with dogs, get up with fleas" thing; i've heard "We don't have to worry about trashing the earth, Jesus is going to make us a new one," and various other abdications of responsibility in my walk, and i tell you again "thief in the night" is for ppl who believe in pillows and soft landings, ppl who are "waiting for Jesus."
Ezekiel 13

 

[bbyrd009]

I think many believe in the Rapture, ie Jesus lifting His Church (people, the converted) up above the earth, during the tribulation years.

ah, the knowledge that brings joy, yes.

i understand why you believe that, and imo you are as earnest as they come ok, but you might reflect on this;
did you at any time give the person who taught you that any money?

 

[Taken]

i'm sure you meant "everyone" there rather than "anyone,"/QUOTE]

Yes, "everyone" would be correct.

and you might be right, even if i haven't met any of those,

Well I haven't met you, and neither do I believe the time can be accurately calculated by men. IMO The point was man was not privy to know.

but it is irrelevant what they believe anyway. Believe in Rapture all you like, and no one is harmed.

I do believe in the Rapture and know why I believe that Christ will lift up His Church at the start of the tribulation.

I do not know why your REJECT that.

Believe in Rapture to the point it affects your next action--

It doesn't affect my actions. I simply wait for the Lords Action regarding the Rapture.

and at some point the belief will inevitably do this--and now maybe you got a prob, bc what effect will the belief most likely manifest? One of inaction at best, and certainly not one of service to others, right now.

Not applicable.

The most likely effect--strictly as a thought experiment--would be to create a false sense of detachment from now, i guess, along with some other disturbing observations that may be made about one holding this belief, i got a list somewhere, but it is so pointed it would just prolly upset you. It causes ppl to deny their birthright

Can't say your list would bother me, or that it contains true facts.

Neverminding the "lay down with dogs, get up with fleas" thing; i've heard "We don't have to worry about trashing the earth,

I don't trash my personal abode, can't say I favor men trashing the earth.

Jesus is going to make us a new one,"

The Lord is not going to make us a new Earth, but rather purify this earth, that will BE new to us.

and various other abdications of responsibility in my walk,

You have directives for your walk IN Christ.
You can accomplish them and be blessed and rewarded....or not. It has no effect on ones Conversion.

and i tell you again "thief in the night" is for ppl who believe in pillows and soft landings, ppl who are "waiting for Jesus."
Ezekiel 13

Well, who are you waiting for? And do you expect a text or something before He arrives?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

ah, the knowledge that brings joy, yes.

i understand why you believe that, and imo you are as earnest as they come ok, but you might reflect on this;
did you at any time give the person who taught you that any money?

No. I didn't see the Lord requiring money for His teaching.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Philip James]

The time is always now, and the date is always today, as brought out in other passages

This ^^^^ !!

Peace!

 

[bbyrd009]

No. I didn't see the Lord requiring money for His teaching.

so see how, just like that, your conviction is revealed?

 

[Taken]

so see how, just like that, your conviction is revealed?

Uh huh. Jesus is my Teacher. He has no need for a mans money.....(particularly, today's worthless fiat currency, ha!)

So what is your point? Your conviction is something else?

 

[bbyrd009]

Uh huh. Jesus is my Teacher. He has no need for a mans money.....(particularly, today's worthless fiat currency, ha!)

So what is your point? Your conviction is something else?

yes, and so is yours, as you have revealed.
Now i could continue along these lines, challenge this "Jesus is my teacher" stuff, but wadr you would not like it, and it does not serve me, but since this is a forum--and only bc of that reason--i'll tell you i would first ask for a testimony of your going out in the way of the 72, right after the testimony of giving everything you had to the poor, where did you sleep the first week, what did you eat, stuff like that. All the stuff Jesus taught. you. What was your experience breaking up Nehushtan. How was going out in the way of the 12 different than going out as 70? The point being if you lack conviction, if one of the three do not agree, you will say as much one way or another, even if it is only by cute and seemingly pointed prevarications that really just side-step a truth; unless you learned none of your current belief system in a congregation ("church," love feast, whatever), and never paid any tithes?

But i already know those ppl, and they talk different. Almost always on a completely diff level, bc invariably they do not state Beliefs as if they were Absolute Truths, that is prolly the chief giveaway

Some Guy taught you about Rapture, so i don't even want to address that tbh.
i know what rapture is lol, i'm in it right now
As the apple-tree among the trees of the wood, So is my beloved among the sons:
In his shadow have I rapture and sit down; And his fruit is sweet to my taste. ...

 

[Taken]

yes, and so is yours, as you have revealed.
Now i could continue along these lines, challenge this "Jesus is my teacher" stuff, but wadr you would not like it, and it does not serve me, but since this is a forum--and only bc of that reason--i'll tell you i would first ask for a testimony of your going out in the way of the 72, right after the testimony of giving everything you had to the poor, where did you sleep the first week, what did you eat, stuff like that. All the stuff Jesus taught. you. What was your experience breaking up Nehushtan. How was going out in the way of the 12 different than going out as 70? The point being if you lack conviction, if one of the three do not agree, you will say as much one way or another, even if it is only by cute and seemingly pointed prevarications that really just side-step a truth; unless you learned none of your current belief system in a congregation ("church," love feast, whatever), and never paid any tithes?

But i already know those ppl, and they talk different. Almost always on a completely diff level, bc invariably they do not state Beliefs as if they were Absolute Truths, that is prolly the chief giveaway

Some Guy taught you about Rapture, so i don't even want to address that tbh.
i know what rapture is lol, i'm in it right now
As the apple-tree among the trees of the wood, So is my beloved among the sons:
In his shadow have I rapture and sit down; And his fruit is sweet to my taste. ...

Hope all of your speech gave you some joy, because it did nothing for me.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Hope all of your speech gave you some joy, because it did nothing for me.

God Bless,
Taken

i just asked a question, and you do not have to address it if you dont want to ok. i guess that was not even for you, and i have no desire to convict anyone except me. A point here might be that questions can reveal conviction, and i guess with a little practice you can even tell which of the three are not in agreement.

But as i said i am not too good at this yet, still ask the wrong...way or whatever, i guess the right Q would be phrased so that the person could not really get offended

 

[Taken]

i just asked a question, and you do not have to address it if you dont want to ok. i guess that was not even for you, and i have no desire to convict anyone except me. A point here might be that questions can reveal conviction, and i guess with a little practice you can even tell which of the three are not in agreement.

But as i said i am not too good at this yet, still ask the wrong...way or whatever, i guess the right Q would be phrased so that the person could not really get offended

Actually question asking does not necessarily mean the one askings conviction.

Question asking is a inquisitive means for the one being asked to render "their" conviction, if they so choose.

God Bless,
Taken