America

[aspen]

wow

What a humiliating day for the US.

Putin had Trump in his pocket today....what a feckless snivelling performance by the man occupying the White House.

And the polls are in......after the private conference with our enemy the Always Trumpsters have decided that Putin is a pretty cool guy

"No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are — a republic of free people dedicated to the cause of liberty at home and abroad. American presidents must be the champions of that cause if it is to succeed. Americans are waiting and hoping for President Trump to embrace that sacred responsibility. One can only hope they are not waiting totally in vain."

John McCain

 

[Enoch111]

What a humiliating day for the US.

That is TOTAL NONSENSE. What a humiliating day for (1) Hillary Clinton, (2) John Brennan, (3) Robert Mueller, and (4) all the Deep State operatives trying to sabotage Trump and undermine what America stands for.

Both Trump and Putin exposed the lies of the DNC, DOJ, FBI, and the DEEP STATE. And everyone should be thankful that lies did not prevail. What Trump should now do is fire all these people, and then have them prosecuted by an independent Special Prosecutor.

As to your quote from John McCain, he should be ashamed of himself for his vile and wicked accusations against Trump WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SUBSTANCE. John McCain is the traitor who handed that phony Trump dossier to the FBI in order to destroy Trump, so let's never forget how evil this man is. And that is why he made these stupid remarks.

John McCain handed Donald Trump dossier to FBI
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11781169

And we now know that this so-called dossier was UTTER RUBBISH. TOTAL GARBAGE. I am amazed that any Christian would support blatant lies and trumped-up charges against anyone.

 

[aspen]

That is TOTAL NONSENSE. What a humiliating day for (1) Hillary Clinton, (2) John Brennan, (3) Robert Mueller, and (4) all the Deep State operatives trying to sabotage Trump and undermine what America stands for.

Both Trump and Putin exposed the lies of the DNC, DOJ, FBI, and the DEEP STATE. And everyone should be thankful that lies did not prevail. What Trump should now do is fire all these people, and then have them prosecuted by an independent Special Prosecutor.

As to your quote from John McCain, he should be ashamed of himself for his vile and wicked accusations against Trump WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SUBSTANCE. John McCain is the traitor who handed that phony Trump dossier to the FBI in order to destroy Trump, so let's never forget how evil this man is. And that is why he made these stupid remarks.

John McCain handed Donald Trump dossier to FBI
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11781169

And we now know that this so-called dossier was UTTER RUBBISH. TOTAL GARBAGE. I am amazed that any Christian would support blatant lies and trumped-up charges against anyone.

Well, i will leave you to your Russian language lessons

 

[aspen]

"The role of the Intelligence Community is to provide the best information and fact-based assessments possible for the President and policymakers," Coats said in a statement. "We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security."

-Ben Coats

 

[Hidden In Him]

John McCain is the traitor

@aspen. Aspen, I have to agree with Enoch here. I can barely look at McCain, and that's something that's been the case with me for years before Trump ever showed up on the scene. Despite McCain's supposed "service" to our country, he is a traitor on a far greater scale than those we used to tar and feather, or execute in a firing line back when this country was still being formed and we took betrayal to this country seriously. But he gets away with it year after year because we're far more "civilized" now.

As for the Trump thing, whether he's innocent or not, it will not stop them from building a case against him. The Russians may have acted on their own in trying to manipulate the election, but I'm by no means certain.

Anyway, just letting Enoch know that he's not alone in his perspective.

Btw, I've always liked Putin nearly as much as I've despised McCain, and again long before Trump ever showed up on the scene. He loves his country and his people, and he manages their economy well, such that his nation has no where near the debt problem we do. Russia has very low debt-to-GDP ratio, among the lowest in the world. He is diplomatic and yet strong.

I'd have Putin as the leader of this country long before Hillary Clinton. She's another traitor, and a wicked human being underneath it all. If the Russians did indeed tamper with the 2016 elections, I think they should be thanked for it rather than vilified. They did us a favor.

Anyway, not looking for a heated discussion. Just sharing.

 

[aspen]

@aspen. Aspen, I have to agree with Enoch here. I can barely look at McCain, and that's something that's been the case with me for years before Trump ever showed up on the scene. Despite McCain's supposed "service" to our country, he is a traitor on a far greater scale than those we used to tar and feather, or execute in a firing line back when this country was still being formed and we took betrayal to this country seriously. But he gets away with it year after year because we're far more "civilized" now.

As for the Trump thing, whether he's innocent or not, it will not stop them from building a case against him. The Russians may have acted on their own in trying to manipulate the election, but I'm by no means certain.

Anyway, just letting Enoch know that he's not alone in his perspective.

Btw, I've always liked Putin nearly as much as I've despised McCain, and again long before Trump ever showed up on the scene. He loves his country and his people, and he manages their economy well, such that his nation has no where near the debt problem we do. Russia has very low debt-to-GDP ratio, among the lowest in the world. He is diplomatic and yet strong.

I'd have Putin as the leader of this country long before Hillary Clinton. She's another traitor, and a wicked human being underneath it all. If the Russians did indeed tamper with the 2016 elections, I think they should be thanked for it rather than vilified. They did us a favor.

Anyway, not looking for a heated discussion. Just sharing.

So these are all part of a gut feeling? Do you have any evidence? Putin is a murderer.....not sure how you can admire someone like him - he is dictator for life because he rigs his own elections. Is this what you would wish for in our own leaders? It sounds like you believe Putin over our justice system amd certainly a free press

 

[bbyrd009]

can't have politics without religion i guess

 

[Enoch111]

The Russians may have acted on their own in trying to manipulate the election, but I'm by no means certain.

There are several facts about Russian attempts to interfere with the last elections which are never mentioned by the Left-Liberal media because they would destroy the narrative against Trump and expose Hillary Clinton:

1. The hacking of the DNC server was an inside job but Russians were blamed for that immediately to create a false narrative and shift the blame. Seth Rich was murdered because of this.

2. The fact that the server has vanished confirms that the Democrats and the Deep State did not want the truth to come out. Also, the crimes committed by Pakistani IT operatives in connection with the DNC and Democrats in Congress has been swept under the rug.

3. The Russians who were posting on Twitter, Facebook etc. were simply messing with the elections for both sides, and actually gave Hillary more support than Trump.

4. The Kremlin was not behind these efforts, but the Kremlin was definitely involved in helping Hillary rake in hundreds of millions of dollars for her campaign and acquire 20% of US uranium through her. Which means that there was CLINTON COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA.

Crooked Hillary Desperately Tries to Deflect After Putin Drops Bombshell ‘US Intel Helped Move $400,000,000 to Clinton Campaign

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...el-helped-move-400000000-to-clinton-campaign/

 

[Enoch111]

"We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing...

That is DAN COATS not Ben Coats, and that too is TOTAL NONSENSE.

Proof? Robert Mueller has wasted millions of taxpayer dollars and thousands of hours of PARTISAN WITCH HUNT TIME trying to establish this, and has come up with absolutely nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. "Russian" here presumably means the Russian government, not individuals.

We need to be aware that even those whom Trump selected for various positions in his administration have been trying to undermine him ever since he took office. This could very well apply to what Coats has said.

 

[Enoch111]

Well, i will leave you to your Russian language lessons

You need to see what is really behind all the attacks on Trump for his meeting with Putin. Ron Paul has given a more sensible assessment of the outcome:

Former Republican congressman and non-interventionist advocate Ron Paul praised President Trump’s summit in Helsinki, Finland with Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying he believes the president “won.”

In comments after Trump and Putin wrapped up a press conference together, Paul said he was “delighted” to see the two power players speaking while noting that the interventionist wings of the Democratic and Republican parties — commonly referred to as “neoconservatives” — are outraged by the meeting.

Paul said:

I would say that this was significant diplomacy. It has to be that the neocons aren’t very happy because Trump sounded pretty reasonable. And I think Trump won on this. And I don’t think Putin was seen in a bad light. [Emphasis added]

Just talking to people face to face I think is so significant and I thought it was very worthwhile. The problems are still out there. [Emphasis added]

That’s the whole thing about the effort put in in this country for the anti-Russian mood, you know, is so strong. That’s a mixed deal because like I say, so many things are bipartisan. Hatred towards Russia is bipartisan and that to me is sad because you hear it constantly…. [Emphasis added]

I was delighted to see them go through, have the press conference … I think the world didn’t suffer from the summit and hopefully it can be a beginning rather than an end. [Emphasis added]

https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...n-summit-with-putin-neocons-arent-very-happy/

 

[Helen]

all that makes us who we are — a republic of free people dedicated to the cause of liberty at home and abroad.

And you believe that? In this day and age?

At the moment "slightly free people" who are slowly, so slow that they don't notice..being led into bondage and signing away all rights of "free people".
The One World Order is close at hand..when the "free people" finally wake up...the trap will have snapped firmly shut.

 

[Willie T]

I can remember well, sitting in a foxhole over in Korea during the Cuban Missile Crises, wondering...… "What is wrong with American and Russian leaders that they cannot sit down peacefully at a table and come to some consensus about world matters?" Instead, we all cheer each side refusing to talk while both sides aim more missiles at one another.

Finally, we have a man in office who knows sitting down with your enemies is far better than mutually threatening to annihilate one another. Thank God for a leader with a brain.

 

[Hidden In Him]

So these are all part of a gut feeling? Do you have any evidence? Putin is a murderer.....not sure how you can admire someone like him - he is dictator for life because he rigs his own elections. Is this what you would wish for in our own leaders? It sounds like you believe Putin over our justice system amd certainly a free press

Well, yes. Putin was KGB for a lot of his early career. I don't see him as an innocent lamb, by any means. But I'm talking more about the man he is today. I think he still knows how to intimidate the H out of people when he needs to, but I think he just uses it to make sure things get done.

About our whole justice system and "free press," it would appear you and I are on opposite sides of the spectrum here. I think there is so much corruption going on in our system that they can vilify an innocent man and completely pardon and overlook the guilty. And the press, especially in the US, is utterly controlled in my opinion. It stopped being about true journalistic investigation and the honest dissemination of news a very long time ago. Now it is about swaying public opinion in whatever way they want to steer it, regardless of the truth. They are in the pocket of the same corrupt powers that have people like John McCain in their pocket. And because of this, you can make the following evaluation about people and be almost certain that it will be accurate every single time:

If they praise an individual, it means he's corrupt and serving corruption and darkness behind the scenes. If he is continually and incessantly being vilified by the press, it means he poses a threat to the powers that be and is therefore operating on the side of good in some way, shape or form.

Is Trump an angel? God forbid. He's a crotch grabber, LoL. But in spite of his over-the-top flamboyance, his sexual liaisons, his incessant need to run his mouth, there is a man who has a genuine love for his country and is honestly trying to fulfill the mandate that his constituency voted him into the White House to fulfill. His mind may not always be in the right place but I believe his heart is true.

And the fact that the media absolutely hates his guts (once he started making a serious run at the Oval Office) is a very good sign to me. It means he's a threat to all the corruption in Washington D.C.

Anyway, to each his own. Just sharing it from what I've gathered over 30 years of walking with the Lord and watching.

 

[bbyrd009]

religious ppl just love wallowing around in the muck, huh

 

[Helen]

I can remember well, sitting in a foxhole over in Korea during the Cuban Missile Crises, wondering...… "What is wrong with American and Russian leaders that they cannot sit down peacefully at a table and come to some consensus about world matters?" Instead, we all cheer each side refusing to talk while both sides aim more missiles at one another.

Finally, we have a man in office who knows sitting down with your enemies is far better than mutually threatening to annihilate one another. Thank God for a leader with a brain.

EXCELLENT agree.
I was pregnant with out first child at the time...and I was scared spitless.
Talking is a better way to go than threats ...

 

[Helen]

Well, yes. Putin was KGB for a lot of his early career. I don't see him as an innocent lamb, by any means. But I'm talking more about the man he is today. I think he still knows how to intimidate the H out of people when he needs to, but I think he just uses it to make sure things get done.

About our whole justice system and "free press," it would appear you and I are on opposite sides of the spectrum here. I think there is so much corruption going on in our system that they can vilify an innocent man and completely pardon and overlook the guilty. And the press, especially in the US, is utterly controlled in my opinion. It stopped being about true journalistic investigation and the honest dissemination of news a very long time ago. Now it is about swaying public opinion in whatever way they want to steer it, regardless of the truth. They are in the pocket of the same corrupt powers that have people like John McCain in their pocket. And because of this, you can make the following evaluation about people and be almost certain that it will be accurate every single time:

If they praise and individual, it means he's corrupt and serving corruption and darkness behind the scenes. If he is continually and incessantly being vilified by the press, it means he poses a threat to the powers that be and is therefore operating on the side of good in some way, shape or form.

Is Trump an angel? God forbid. He's a crotch grabber, LoL. But in spite of his over-the-top flamboyance, his sexual liaisons, his incessant need to run his mouth, there is a man who has a genuine love for his country and is honesty trying to do fulfill the mandate that his constituency voted him into the White House to fulfill. His mind my not always be in the right place but I believe his heart is true.

And the fact that the media absolutely hates his guts (one he started making a serious run at the Oval Office) is a very good sign to me. It means he's a threat to all the corruption in Washington D.C.

Anyway, to each his own. Just sharing it from what I've gathered over 30 years of walking with the Lord and watching.

Yes, another excellent post here. Agree.

And..no one one believes that he is a saint...none of them ever have been...
I loved Winston Churchill...he was a great statesman , the last of his breed.
But he was no saint for sure...made his mistakes like they all do.

 

[aspen]

can't have politics without religion i guess

I think politics is a religion for many

 

[Hidden In Him]

The fact that the server has vanished confirms that the Democrats and the Deep State did not want the truth to come out.

Yes. Whenever our supposedly all-knowing intelligence agencies can't maintain hold on such things, what does that say? If they were truly that inept (which they are not), why on earth should/would anyone trust ANYTHING coming out of their mouths? They are corrupt, and they are liars. Plain and simple.

 

[Hidden In Him]

religious ppl just love wallowing around in the muck, huh

What muck? LoL. I almost never discuss politics. I'm too busy.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Yes, another excellent post here. Agree.

And..no one one believes that he is a saint...none of them ever have been...
I loved Winston Churchill...he was a great statesman , the last of his breed.
But he was no saint for sure...made his mistakes like they all do.

I think those who point to Trump's failings fail to understand that it needed to be someone who could actually run the gauntlet and win. Pence is the more godly man by far. But would Pence have won if he had been the nominee? No. It takes more than a little lamb in politics. It takes someone who can take a hit and then hit back even harder. Anyone who disagrees need only look at Romney and McCain, two utter failures who supposedly took the "high road," but in realty just left us to the wolves.