If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[Marymog]

For Papists to condemn Protestants for hitting post-Dark Ages hermeneutical speedbumps after a thousand years of Papal-orchestrated Biblical darkness is just plain unfair, unreasonable, and frankly incredulous.

Besides, Luther eventually got it straight, unlike the Papacy which is still granting "indulgences" after being schooled by Luther 500 years ago.

OK dodge ball queen....One more try to answer a question based on a HISTORICAL FACT:

When Luther wanted to remove 7 books from the bible was that a legitimate "protest" against the RCC or against God???

Last chance to redeem yourself and give the appearance of being a rational person

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

First, tell me.
Are you affiliated in any way with the Knights of Columbus

With pride I can say I am. ( I support them financially) They do more charitable work in one year than you would do in 1, 000 years of life here on earth.

Thank you for asking.....https://www.kofc.org/en/index.html

Sooooo now I told you...How about if you stop playing dodge ball and answer my question.....

Mary

 

[Enoch111]

When Luther wanted to remove 7 books from the bible was that a legitimate "protest" against the RCC or against God???

While the question is not addressed to me, the removal of the 7 apocryphal books in Catholic Bibles was perfectly legitimate (whether as a protest by Luther or not).

Those books were NEVER a part of the Hebrew Tanakh, and the Lord Himself limited the Old Testament to the 24 books in the Tanakh -- The Law (5 books), the Prophets (8 books), and the Psalms (11 books). Study Luke 44 please.

 

[Heb 13:8]

I didn't give the lesson on the Sheep and Goats - JESUS did.

No, you just don't understand who the sheep and goats represent. God bless

 

[Heb 13:8]

The word "obedience" comes from the Latin verb obedire, which means "to attend to" or "to listen to."

And that's what believers do, they listen to his voice and obey, less you would like to keep accusing the believer.. https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/non-osas-spirit.26006/

Are you entering through the wrong gate again epostle1?

Jhn 10:1-10 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them. 7Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.a They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

Jhn 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/sheep-wolves-illustration.26291/

You enter through the right gate by having belief in the death, burial and resurrection.

Jhn 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

God bless

 

[epostle1]

First, tell me.
Are you affiliated in any way with the Knights of Columbus?

THE PARANOID FUNNYMENTALIST
ATTACK ON A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION, THE KofC
​

Yes, rollo, I am. Based on what I have seen in your posts, everything you have been told about the KofC is a lie.
There are no secret oaths. Meetings are once a month for 2 hours, and we pray before and after each meeting. Wives are welcome to attend.

It raises money to support a variety of other charities, including Protestant projects. It's not much different than any men's fellowship of any Protestant church, but fundies don't attack them.

KofC charitable activities encompass an almost infinite variety of local, national and international projects. Our own unique charities include the Christian Refugee Relief Fund, Disaster Relief, Ultrasound Initiative, and Coats for Kids. We also partner with international charities including Special Olympics, the Global Wheelchair Mission and Habitat for Humanity.

Through our Building the Domestic Church initiative, Knights and their families have greater opportunities to participate in a variety of activities that deepen their faith, promote the New Evangelization, and strengthen our parishes. These activities include the Family Fully Alive Devotional Program, Father's Day Affirmation of Wedding Vows, Food for Families and the Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign.
Sorry if that is an offense to your church's mentality.

We are answering Pope Francis’ call to go to the peripheries,” Supreme Knight Carl Anderson said. “We can reach half way around the globe to help those in need and we can reach to our neighbor next door. And we do that every day. That makes us witnesses to the faith."

Rollo, he weird external traditions and the initiation ceremonies are not evil, they are Christ centered, and they are NOT the essence of the Knights, contrary to the psychotic babbling of anti-Catholics.
One more thing. Anti-Catholics like to equate the Knights with the FreeMasons, which is a whole new level of stupid. A Catholic who joins Freemason is automatically excommunicated.

I never got an answer to my question last week on the other thread.
Hebrews 13:17 "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you."

What is the expiration date of this verse?

You said you would consult with your magisterium (staff).
I don't think they can answer it either.

 

[Enoch111]

Anti-Catholics like to equate the Knights with the FreeMasons, which is a whole new level of stupid.

That is true. In fact, because Catholics were barred from becoming Freemasons, they were encouraged to join the KofCs (from what I have read). I don't believe anyone can fairly criticize this organization because they do a great deal of charitable work.

 

[bbyrd009]

I think the better question is, "Why NOT"?

mixing cultures, moving boundary stones, these are guaranteed ways to get peaceful neighbors at each others' throats.
It's not like we are ever going to agree on Mary's role, or Christ's even, heck Christians can't even do that among themselves. Good fences make good neighbors and all that rot

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Lets take a look at what those crazy anti-Christian women from K of C women's auxiliary 7672 in Florida are doing.....
Quote from their website: The Ladies Auxiliary provides the opportunity for wives of Knights of Columbus members to come together in fellowship GASP with the primary goal of providing organized assistance to the Saint Francis of Assisi - Knights of Columbus Council 7672. The organization provides the opportunity to form friendships Nooooo....not friendships isn't that un-biblical.....and serve Christ by serving our church and our community.....WHAT??? they want to serve Christ AND their community.....AND THEY ARE CATHOLIC.....This must be a joke???? Catholics don't do that.....

Oh goodness Rollo Tamasi...I MARYMOG sure would hate to be AFFILIATED with those women.....

The fact is, you are not affiliated with them.
You are a rogue loner with your own form of religion.

 

[bbyrd009]

Without the Catholic Church there would be no Protestant Church therefore your contradictory beliefs would have never existed, therefor this website would not have been started and you would have never said what you said.....

Get it....The butterfly effect

so then is it just not even possible for me to be understood here?
Are words really so useless?
i have no beef with the RCC, and if i could turn it off with a switch i would not.
ppl are entitled to their choices. i have personally learned many lessons from Catholics.
i can't think of a better way to school a determinist myself.

i even usher ppl of a certain inclination--mostly guilt, but also budding determinists--into the RCC
i discovered the two concepts are closely related, and the connection is fascinating imo;
there's even a v that clarifies when the relationship is understood...too early yet for me to recall

imo as long as you want to worship Jesus in a building you define as "church" then Catholicism has lessons for you. And this is a normal stage of spiritual development imo.

So i am characterized as a Crusader here when i am really an anti-crusader.
Why Catholics so strongly desire to be considered "Christian" is a lesson in itself imo
10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

 

[Marymog]

While the question is not addressed to me, the removal of the 7 apocryphal books in Catholic Bibles was perfectly legitimate (whether as a protest by Luther or not).

Those books were NEVER a part of the Hebrew Tanakh, and the Lord Himself limited the Old Testament to the 24 books in the Tanakh -- The Law (5 books), the Prophets (8 books), and the Psalms (11 books). Study Luke 44 please.

Hi Enoch,

Thank you. I guess that is a debate for another day.

Are the books of James, Hebrews, the letters of John, and Revelation Apocryphal?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

The fact is, you are not affiliated with them.
You are a rogue loner with your own form of religion.

The fact is you are still playing dodge ball.

Sure would like you to at least attempt to answer my question in post #347 of which you dodged.....twice.

Do I need to put another coin in to get an answer???

Mary

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The fact is you are still playing dodge ball.

Sure would like you to at least attempt to answer my question in post #347 of which you dodged.....twice.

Do I need to put another coin in to get an answer???

Mary

Now that's another thread.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Your statement is cute....but not well thought out.

Are you talking about militants like Luther and Calvin???

Mary

Luther and Calvin were men of God.
They were not perfect in their teachings.
Shown me where they say they were perfect in their teachings?
The pope on the other hand says he speaks from God, and when he does, it is perfect truth.
How disgusting.
David Koresh said the same thing.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Nice dodge, dodge ball queen...

When Luther wanted to remove 7 books from the bible was that a legitimate "protest" against the RCC or against God???

Referee Mary

I'll answer that.
I don't know.
Tell me.
Please back it up with proof rather than hearsay.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

THE PARANOID FUNNYMENTALIST
ATTACK ON A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION, THE KofC
​

Yes, rollo, I am. Based on what I have seen in your posts, everything you have been told about the KofC is a lie.
There are no secret oaths. Meetings are once a month for 2 hours, and we pray before and after each meeting. Wives are welcome to attend.

It raises money to support a variety of other charities, including Protestant projects. It's not much different than any men's fellowship of any Protestant church, but fundies don't attack them.

KofC charitable activities encompass an almost infinite variety of local, national and international projects. Our own unique charities include the Christian Refugee Relief Fund, Disaster Relief, Ultrasound Initiative, and Coats for Kids. We also partner with international charities including Special Olympics, the Global Wheelchair Mission and Habitat for Humanity.

Through our Building the Domestic Church initiative, Knights and their families have greater opportunities to participate in a variety of activities that deepen their faith, promote the New Evangelization, and strengthen our parishes. These activities include the Family Fully Alive Devotional Program, Father's Day Affirmation of Wedding Vows, Food for Families and the Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign.
Sorry if that is an offense to your church's mentality.

We are answering Pope Francis’ call to go to the peripheries,” Supreme Knight Carl Anderson said. “We can reach half way around the globe to help those in need and we can reach to our neighbor next door. And we do that every day. That makes us witnesses to the faith."

Rollo, he weird external traditions and the initiation ceremonies are not evil, they are Christ centered, and they are NOT the essence of the Knights, contrary to the psychotic babbling of anti-Catholics.
One more thing. Anti-Catholics like to equate the Knights with the FreeMasons, which is a whole new level of stupid. A Catholic who joins Freemason is automatically excommunicated.


I never got an answer to my question last week on the other thread.
Hebrews 13:17 "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you."

What is the expiration date of this verse?

You said you would consult with your magisterium (staff).
I don't think they can answer it either.

foolish talk
you take secret oaths, unless you haven't advanced that far
You think I don't know about the Knights of columbus because I'm not a member
They threatened me with personal harm once because I was preaching the Gospel to one of their members
They don't allow that

My mother use to take me there to bingo on a weeknight now and then
They called themselves Jesuits and the army of the catholic church
Maybe they've toned things down these days, just like the KKK.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Because....

Now, there's another "intelligent" response . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

"Because what" you say?
I say, " just because"........

Because you're not equipped to give an intelligent answer.
Ahhhhh, that makes sense . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm not calling you a liar - but words can't express how absolutely certain I am that you've never seen Pius use "Roman Catholic church" in that Encyclical before I showed it to you.

And even if this is the only case, and you seem very certain it is (though you were just as certain before that only Protestants had ever used that reference when referring to the Roman Catholic church until I proved you wrong), it's a set precedent.

How would YOU know?
As it happens - I have read pretty much EVERY encyclical in existence. MY mistake was in assuming that you would understand the context in which it was written.

Now that you've danced around this issue yet again - please answer my previous question:
Can you explain to me why this has NOT been used since - and WHY is it not considered an official title of the Church?

 

[amadeus]

The truth in life is to love God
Love your neighbor
Find a job you love
and:
Eat, drink, and be merry......

Aye, so it should be. God made everything "very good" in the beginning. All of these things around us are for our benefit. God does want us to enjoy them, but to do so requires that we do everything in the way that He guides us. Too many see what they believe to be greener grass on the other side, or they seek to change God's order of things and so they and their children as a result often receive the real reward of walking these ways without God which is at the best "vanity".