If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[bbyrd009]

They believe future sins are not paid for at the cross.

wadr that is bc no one's sins were "paid for" at the cross, in the manner that you seem to be forwarding; else you would not have to "pick up your cross" at all right

 

[Triumph1300]

Please show me where the Bible teaches that ALL of our future sins are automatically forgiven WITHOUT our confessing OR repenting of them.
Chapter and Verse, please.

There is none.

I got news for some here:

Repentance should be in the Christian Life till you die.

 

[bbyrd009]

"Works" come as a RESULT of SALVATION

i get your point here, but imo one has works whether they consider themselves "saved" or not. Don't they?

For we must all appear before the tribunal of Christ, so that each may be repaid for what he has done in the body, whether good or worthless.

 

[bbyrd009]

What has repentance and a hunger and thirsting after righteousness, which must of necessity include confession and turning away from all sin, got to do with works? And since when is our entrance into heaven not been conditional on our being sanctified by truth and the Spirit of God by which His laws are written upon our hearts?... None of which could possibly be our own work.

read this three times now, still tryna figure out if you are being facetious or not lol

 

[Triumph1300]

i get your point here, but imo one has works whether they consider themselves "saved" or not. Don't they?

We'r discussing Christians.
Christians do works as a result of salvation guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Triumph1300]

read this three times now, still tryna figure out if you are being facetious or not lol

I agree with you in this one. Lol

 

[bbyrd009]

We'r discussing Christians.
Christians do works as a result of salvation guided by the Holy Spirit.

well, or so they like to say, yes; but tbh i am finding no such separation such as that which you are making @ "all must appear before the judgement seat"

 

[Heb 13:8]

What has repentance and a hunger and thirsting after righteousness, which must of necessity include confession and turning away from all sin, got to do with works?

Nothing, if you're a sheep and not a wolf

Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And since when is our entrance into heaven not been conditional on our being sanctified by truth and the Spirit of God by which His laws are written upon our hearts?... None of which could possibly be our own work.

Right, we are sanctified in part of what Christ did on the cross for us. His work keeps us, not ours.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Please show me where the Bible teaches that ALL of our future sins are automatically forgiven WITHOUT our confessing OR repenting of them.
Chapter and Verse, please.

This ought to be interesting . . .

BOL, again... confessing and repenting in Rom 10:9 cannot be compared to confessing and repenting in our daily walk. God bless.

 

[Heb 13:8]

"Works" come as a RESULT of SALVATION

No, they come as a result of sanctification and discipline. Is why Jesus rebuked works as a means to enter the kingdom, Matt 7:22-23.

Eph 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

 

[Heb 13:8]

wadr that is bc no one's sins were "paid for" at the cross, in the manner that you seem to be forwarding; else you would not have to "pick up your cross" at all right

Our sins are paid for at the cross bbyrd, but not everyone will accept the free gift. "Pick up your cross" is in reference to sanctification and discipline, Heb 12:4-13.

Eph 1:14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption (apolutrósis) of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory.

apolutrósis: a release effected by payment of ransom
Original Word: ἀπολύτρωσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apolutrósis
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-oo'-tro-sis)
Short Definition: redemption, deliverance
Definition: release effected by payment of ransom; redemption, deliverance.

God bless.

 

[Triumph1300]

No, they come as a result of sanctification and discipline.

Come on now, man.
Both you and I know that's the same thing.

Don't respond just because you want to argue please.
I have no time for these childish games.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Come on now, man.
Both you and I know that's the same thing.

They are the same thing, but I'm not using them to save myself, rather out of thankfulness of the cross.

1Co 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

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For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

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but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

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For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

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The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

God bless

 

[Enoch111]

i get your point here, but imo one has works whether they consider themselves "saved" or not. Don't they?

Yes, but the judgments are not the same for those who are saved and those who are not. The works of Christians will be judged, and will affect their rewards, not their salvation.

THIS IS FOR CHRISTIANS

For we must all appear before the tribunal of Christ, so that each may be repaid for what he has done in the body, whether good or worthless.

For those who are not saved, see Revelation 20.

 

[BreadOfLife]

BOL, again... confessing and repenting in Rom 10:9 cannot be compared to confessing and repenting in our daily walk. God bless.

HOGWASH.
Confessing and repenting of sin is confessing and repenting of sin.

If you repent any less later on because you feel you have a "free ticket" - you will wind up like the rest of those phony disciples those in Matt. 7:21-23.

 

[Heb 13:8]

HOGWASH.
Confessing and repenting of sin is confessing and repenting of sin.

If you repent any less later on because you feel you have a "free ticket" - you will wind up like the rest of those phony disciples those in Matt. 7:21-23.

BOL, the word disciple is not in the Greek text, they were wolves, and those phony wolves were trying to enter the kingdom through works. I preach Grace.

 

[BreadOfLife]

BOL, the word disciple is not in the Greek text, they were wolves, and those phony wolves were trying to enter the kingdom through works. I preach Grace.

WHAT???

You are arguing semantics here.
They were PEOPLE - not wolves. They were phony followers who thought they had a "free ticket" to Heaven - just like YOU do.

Confessing your sins and repenting should be the same yesterday, today AND tomorrow.

 

[Heb 13:8]

WHAT???

You are arguing semantics here.
They were PEOPLE - not wolves. They were phony followers who thought they had a "free ticket" to Heaven - just like YOU do.

Confessing your sins and repenting should be the same yesterday, today AND tomorrow.

BOL, they thought they had a free ticket to heaven through their WORKS!!! I preach GRACE!!! Confessing and repenting on your daily walk to keep yourself saved is works.

lukos: a wolf
Original Word: λύκος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: lukos
Phonetic Spelling: (loo'-kos)
Short Definition: a wolf, jackal
Definition: a wolf, of perhaps a jackal; often applied to persons of wolfish proclivities.

 

[BreadOfLife]

BOL, they thought they had a free ticket to heaven through their WORKS!!! I preach GRACE!!! Confessing and repenting on your daily walk to keep yourself saved is works.

And if YOU don't think you need to repent of your future sins the same as your past sines - then YOU are a wolf because you preach a FALSE Gospel.

Christians are held to a higher standard. It should cause you even MORE shame to offend God as a seasoned follower than when you first came to Him.

 

[Heb 13:8]

And if YOU don't think you need to repent of your future sins the same as your past sines - then YOU are a wolf because you preach a FALSE Gospel.

Christians are held to a higher standard. It should cause you even MORE shame to offend God as a seasoned follower than when you first came to Him.

No BOL, the wolves never came to faith to begin with. They were always non believers. Yes, it does hurt the believer to sin, that is what Godly sorrow is. Nonbelievers do not obtain Godly sorrow. 2Co 7:10. God bless.