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Actually - that is false.

They WERE believers - they simply didn't surrender and obey.
They didn't DO God's will.

They cast out demons in Christ's name BECAUSE they believed.
HOWEVER, as I have been telling you for months now - belief is NOT enough. Even the DEMONS believe (James 2:19).

Belief is dependent upon ...
Belief IN WHAT.

Believing IN Gods Power is one thing.

Believing Gods Power IS the Messiah is another thing.

Believing Gods Messiah IS call Christ is another thing.

Believing Gods Christ IS Called Jesus is another thing.

Believing Gods Power came TO Earth IN the likeness AS a man is another thing.

Believing God IS supreme power is another thing.

Believing men HAVE no power without it being given them BY God is another thing.

Believing without TRUSTING is another thing.

The List goes on...and NOT ALL Individuals have Concluded their Beliefs ARE the SAME.

So...according to you Exactly WHAT did
THEY (Matt 7:22) BELIEVE?

And...according to you Exactly What did they NOT DO, that is the Will of the Father?
(Matt 7:21)
 
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Is your only purpose to make catholicism look good?
You could have left that out and made God look good instead.
The purpose of Catholicism is to make God look good. Your rebellion against the historic Church has more to do with mal-development and pain than it does with doctrine or theology. I know. I was abused too.
 

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Well, I can understand, and respect, your desire and right to stand up for the facts. Any one of us here would do the same for our beliefs and understandings.
But I do have to wonder how you can claim to know what went on inside every single Catholic Church building. I surely don't know much about the RCC...that I admit to freely. But I can see quite plainly where I live that there are some Catholic Priests in Australia who are trying to claim we need to embrace the homosexual movement, while others don't. There are some Priest's who happily renounce any form of sexual abuse and call it a sin that can and must be dealt with by the law as well as the Church, where you have others who still refuse to inform the authorities even if they know children are being abused; choosing to "keep it in the church". Now...I'm not trying to comment on the state of the abuse, or if there is more or less in the RCC or protestant Church, I am only using those two examples because they are two very visible ones where different Priests believe and teach within their building different things to what, I would suspect, Rome, holds as doctrine. We have similar issues within Protestantism...just saying a church is "Baptist" does not guarantee every Baptist Pastor teaches and believes the exact same thing.
Being a pro-homo agenda priest is not the same as a homo-friendly priest. All Catholic churches are homo-friendly...we don't shoot our wounded. That does not mean homo-endorsement. I suppose it's possible to find a priest who is pro-homo agenda, but there are limits as to how far they can deviate. Recently, a priest was defrocked and excommunicated for officiating a same sex wedding, so your claims I take with a grain of salt. Where is the media when a Protestant minister does that??? Australia's anti-Catholicism is evident even in it's judicial system, given the travesty of justice over the Cardinal Pell, who has been in court for decades based on no evidence. I find it disturbing when outsiders make negative comments about an unnamed priest(s) in an unknown parish with no named bishop. It amounts to gossip.
So, again...I see that perhaps you are not allowing for the very real likelihood that Grams IS being truthful, about HER experience. You can both be right, really. Your claims to what the broad RCC teaches are probably correct. But that does not necessarily mean you have to assume, and accuse, someone of lying. At least not initially. As Christians, shouldn't we give a little grace to people until we know more? If you thought she was mistaken, ask questions to clarify. When you immediately disdain and call people out, you do a disservice to your denomination, and to Christians in general. We may follow Christ, but we don't have his ability to know everything about everyone. Don't you think we should seek the truth with his love and graciousness?

Most of us know about a family in dispute over something that happened 20-30-or even 50 years ago, and they don't speak to each other. When that much time passes, these people no longer remember all the facts, they remember the emotions.
It's frustrating for BoL and myself when their perspective of the Church (that we love) is based on skeletons in the closet, and it's not just Grams. It's not personal fault, it's human nature, but healing is needed nonetheless.



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It's not personal fault, it's human nature, but healing is needed nonetheless.
well you might give us something kepha, some reason, if you would, why we should ignore the "leopards changing spots" verse.
for your sake, not mine

bc i tell you that your "church" is getting worse, not better, and leopards do not change their spots

Can the Cushite change his skin, or a leopard his spots? If so, you might be able to do what is good, you who are instructed in evil.
 

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Please demonstrate that.

Pax!
According to what we read in history and Bible prophecy, Christianity was loosely organized as it spread out from Palestine after Jesus ascended and as persecution steadily increased - this persecution only served to multiply their numbers, because whenever they'd kill one, ten more would join, until finally Satan had enough and changed his tactics - "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". Constantine legalized Christianity in 323 A.D.

It was then pagan Rome began to embrace the faith with intention to blend Christianity with paganism as a means to "weld" his already crumbling Empire into a strong multi-faith coalition. "Christian" men who formerly cowered in the shadows watching others die for their faith were then all too eager to push their way forward and accept the favor and position and authority now in Rome over the church that the Empire was willing to bestow - and the paganism that was creeping in and defiling the church since the earliest days (Revelation 1-3) began boldly throwing open the doors of the church and marching in right down the center aisle. Many pagan practices were "baptized" into Christianity at this time as the church began to slide into apostasy. But, true Christianity that was spread abroad over the land continued to keep and contend for "the faith once delivered to the saints".

Finally, after the Roman Empire fell around 476 A.D., the ten barbarian tribes who found themselves standing among the ashes of where the great Roman Empire once stood began fighting among themselves, until finally it was agreed that a leader over them all should be appointed. They chose the "Bishop of Rome". In 538 A.D., the "papacy" was established with the pope as supreme ruler of the land over BOTH spiritual AND secular affairs. And the first thing the papacy did was begin an all out assault against Christians everywhere who resisted the paganized form of Christianity that Papal Rome had established. They continued to keep and contend for that same faith that was once delivered to the saints. More cruel than even Emperor Diocletian during his 10 years of most extreme persecution of the church, the papacy systematically sought to wipe out all "heretics" who refused to submit to the will and doctrines of the papacy.

The church then fled into the wilderness (Revelation 12:1-17) to escape the wrath of Satan channeled through Papal Rome against the true followers of Christ. All throughout the land, true Christians lived and worked under constant threat of oppression, persecution, torture, murder, etc. but they continued to strive to fulfill the Great Commission as Jesus had commandment. They were given many names by the papacy to make them seem disconnected and fragmented - names like the Vaudois, the Waldenses, the Albigensis, the Lollards, the Bogemills, the Hugenots, and many, many others - but they were united with bonds of truth's love that could never be broken. Although the papacy sought to present these Christians as just pockets of resistance here and there, the papacy's own archives candidly reveals that the head inquisitors characterized them as an "infestation". A quote from 5th century historian Socrates Scholasticus:

"“For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the (7th day) Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition (THE TRADITION OF WORSHIPING THE SUN ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK), have ceased to do this.” Socrates Scholasticus, Church History
These Christians represented the true church of Jesus Christ, not the apostate church in Papal Rome. As the centuries rolled on, the papacy killed many of these "heretics" but it was not until the time of Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation that the light of the truth began to shine and the church began to emerge from the obscure darkness of its hidden strongholds.

Sadly, over the course of the last 500 years, many Protestant churches have been making one concession after the next to the papacy and today, the papacy officially recognizes "only one consistent Protestant" church - while mocking the rest of the "Protestant" world as proclaiming "Sola Scriptura" by mouth, but holding the authority of the Catholic church over the authority of the Bible by their actions.
 
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But, true Christianity that was spread abroad over the land continued to keep and contend for "the faith once delivered to the saints".

Please identify this true Christian church... Who are their members, what did they teach?
Are their communities started by the apostles. Can they demonstrate it?

Do they drink from the same cup that Jesus gave to John?

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.
 

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Please identify this true Christian church... Who are their members, what did they teach?
Are their communities started by the apostles. Can they demonstrate it?

Do they drink from the same cup that Jesus gave to John?

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.
Phoneman's "true Christian church" started in 1860, by Ellen G. White.
See my thread "Seventh Dilemma Adventism"

Phoneman's false histories are written in stone.

Seventh-day Adventism cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. Seventh-day Adventism cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-day Adventism.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/seventh-day-adventism

Phoneman's hate cult is in a state of schism, according to this SDA quarterly:
https://spectrummagazine.org/article/2018/05/17/“-great-controversy”-shackles-adventist-theology-0
Phoneman's hate cult was immune from arrest in Nazi Germany, because their preaching against the "Whore of Babylon" was compatible with Geobbles propaganda machine. They whored themselves with the Nazis while the "whore" members were killed by the millions. According to this SDA historian:
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/...g.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1042&context=jams
The worst form of hypocrisy.

Satan Day Adventists are immune from any rule violations.
(oops, a typo)

One more thing, Philip James, it's a mind controlling cult, and dangerous to vulnerable members in here. Try the report button, I guarantee nothing will happen.
Lastly, when Phony man gets spanked like this, his usual tactic is to flood the thread with walls and walls of the most vile anti-Catholic hate you've ever seen.

SDA prayer meeting at the Vatican
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Being a pro-homo agenda priest is not the same as a homo-friendly priest. All Catholic churches are homo-friendly...we don't shoot our wounded. That does not mean homo-endorsement. I suppose it's possible to find a priest who is pro-homo agenda, but there are limits as to how far they can deviate. Recently, a priest was defrocked and excommunicated for officiating a same sex wedding, so your claims I take with a grain of salt. Where is the media when a Protestant minister does that??? Australia's anti-Catholicism is evident even in it's judicial system, given the travesty of justice over the Cardinal Pell, who has been in court for decades based on no evidence. I find it disturbing when outsiders make negative comments about an unnamed priest(s) in an unknown parish with no named bishop. It amounts to gossip.

Most of us know about a family in dispute over something that happened 20-30-or even 50 years ago, and they don't speak to each other. When that much time passes, these people no longer remember all the facts, they remember the emotions.
It's frustrating for BoL and myself when their perspective of the Church (that we love) is based on skeletons in the closet, and it's not just Grams. It's not personal fault, it's human nature, but healing is needed nonetheless.

I sort of feel you missed my point. I was afraid using those two examples would probably cause a bit of a side step in the conversation due to the contentiousness of the issues. That was not my intent; I only used them because they were issues I were aware of...probably because of the contentiousness of them and the fact that the public was aware of them. I am not making comment on the rightness or wrongness of these issues, or what the RCC actually teaches. I was only using them as an example to show that even within the RCC, at least when it comes to the smaller parishes, Priests can and seemingly do, believe and teach different things.
And believe me...there is plenty of media belittling of Protestantism and their faults and flaws. Not that the media needs our faults and flaws to mock us, they just delight in our humanity when we stumble. They sort of miss the point, hmm?
So please...my point was not to try and highlight flaws within your denomination, just to say that it is unrealistic to expect every single Priest to teach exactly the same thing. Every person is different, and no matter the denomination they hold to, they bring their views, past experiences and understandings to their calling. So I think we must allow a certain level of acceptance, at least broadly and initially, to the idea that what is being taught in your church, may not be taught in another, word for word. To assume so, and to take that assumption forward with a harshness of character and accusation, is not just unwise, I believe it to be un-Christlike. If we truly believe that something is the truth; be it what Christ taught in scripture, or what our denomination teaches, and we feel that something someone has said about it is not true, or incorrect, I think, as Christians, we can go forward with questions based on said truth, and an attitude based on the one we follow, rather than a level of nastiness we feel is justified because of whatever history is behind us. Otherwise that history is bound to repeat itself, and nothing good will ever come of any conversation. Very little truth will be heard or loved, not when hurt feelings and accusations are flying.
 

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I sort of feel you missed my point. I was afraid using those two examples would probably cause a bit of a side step in the conversation due to the contentiousness of the issues. That was not my intent; I only used them because they were issues I were aware of...probably because of the contentiousness of them and the fact that the public was aware of them. I am not making comment on the rightness or wrongness of these issues, or what the RCC actually teaches. I was only using them as an example to show that even within the RCC, at least when it comes to the smaller parishes, Priests can and seemingly do, believe and teach different things.
And believe me...there is plenty of media belittling of Protestantism and their faults and flaws. Not that the media needs our faults and flaws to mock us, they just delight in our humanity when we stumble. They sort of miss the point, hmm?
So please...my point was not to try and highlight flaws within your denomination, just to say that it is unrealistic to expect every single Priest to teach exactly the same thing. Every person is different, and no matter the denomination they hold to, they bring their views, past experiences and understandings to their calling. So I think we must allow a certain level of acceptance, at least broadly and initially, to the idea that what is being taught in your church, may not be taught in another, word for word. To assume so, and to take that assumption forward with a harshness of character and accusation, is not just unwise, I believe it to be un-Christlike. If we truly believe that something is the truth; be it what Christ taught in scripture, or what our denomination teaches, and we feel that something someone has said about it is not true, or incorrect, I think, as Christians, we can go forward with questions based on said truth, and an attitude based on the one we follow, rather than a level of nastiness we feel is justified because of whatever history is behind us. Otherwise that history is bound to repeat itself, and nothing good will ever come of any conversation. Very little truth will be heard or loved, not when hurt feelings and accusations are flying.
Thank you for your thoughtful post. There are 1000 ways of expressing the same truth. What matters is that the essence of truth remains. There is a mechanism and protocol for Catholics to follow that isn't well known. We can object and report an idiot priest to the bishop. We can object and report an idiot bishop to the Apostolic Nuncio, who has the same authority as the Pope. Having 2000 years of experience, the Church deals with her idiots with a great deal of care. Excommunication is the last resort, but it is extremely rare.
What Catholics are obligated to accept are formal teachings, not opinions, sermons, TV interviews, even if it is from the Pope. "Catholics must do whatever the priest or Pope says" is a myth, but a Catholic would be stupid to ignore papal authority.
Formal teaching is a whole different ballgame.

By development of doctrine, we mean that some divinely revealed truth has become more deeply understood and more clearly perceived than it had been before. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, whom Christ promised to send to teach us, the Church comes to see more deeply what she had always believed, and the resulting insights find expression in devotion of the faithful that may have been quite uncommon in the Church's previous history. The whole spectrum of Christology and Mariology has witnessed such dogmatic progress...
...Always implied in such progress is that, objectively, the revealed truth remains constant and unchanged. But through the light of the Holy Spirit, the subjective understanding of the truth becomes more clear, its meaning becomes more certain and its grasp by the believing mind becomes increasingly more firm.
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/pea/history.htm

This explains why the 21st century Church does not appear to be an exact duplicate of the 1st century Church, but the essence of the truths contained has never changed.

...oops, I digress...
 

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Being a pro-homo agenda priest is not the same as a homo-friendly priest. All Catholic churches are homo-friendly...we don't shoot our wounded. That does not mean homo-endorsement. I suppose it's possible to find a priest who is pro-homo agenda, but there are limits as to how far they can deviate. Recently, a priest was defrocked and excommunicated for officiating a same sex wedding, so your claims I take with a grain of salt. Where is the media when a Protestant minister does that??? Australia's anti-Catholicism is evident even in it's judicial system, given the travesty of justice over the Cardinal Pell, who has been in court for decades based on no evidence. I find it disturbing when outsiders make negative comments about an unnamed priest(s) in an unknown parish with no named bishop. It amounts to gossip.


Most of us know about a family in dispute over something that happened 20-30-or even 50 years ago, and they don't speak to each other. When that much time passes, these people no longer remember all the facts, they remember the emotions.
It's frustrating for BoL and myself when their perspective of the Church (that we love) is based on skeletons in the closet, and it's not just Grams. It's not personal fault, it's human nature, but healing is needed nonetheless.



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You said above:
Where is the media when a Protestant minister does that???
(marries a SS couple)

The CC is one of the churches that has held to its convictions through all of the change in the past 40 or 50 years. Maybe more is just expected from those who have higher moral values?

SS couple are getting "married" here to. In quotation marks because marriage of SS persons is not really possible. God has determined what marriage is...not persons or the government.

They get "married" civilly here and is called a civil union. People ignorantly call it marriage - had a nice opportunity to witness to a woman this week about this. She's atheist of course, and a liberal one at that.

She kept repeating that it was a nice, TRADITIONAL WEDDING. I told her it was not traditional...Not what God would like. (in a nice way of course).

I told her they'd adopt a child next. She said noooooo!
LOL
The slippery slope.

But, yes, the CC does not get involved and is to be respected for holding on to its principles.
 

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I sort of feel you missed my point. I was afraid using those two examples would probably cause a bit of a side step in the conversation due to the contentiousness of the issues. That was not my intent; I only used them because they were issues I were aware of...probably because of the contentiousness of them and the fact that the public was aware of them. I am not making comment on the rightness or wrongness of these issues, or what the RCC actually teaches. I was only using them as an example to show that even within the RCC, at least when it comes to the smaller parishes, Priests can and seemingly do, believe and teach different things.
And believe me...there is plenty of media belittling of Protestantism and their faults and flaws. Not that the media needs our faults and flaws to mock us, they just delight in our humanity when we stumble. They sort of miss the point, hmm?
So please...my point was not to try and highlight flaws within your denomination, just to say that it is unrealistic to expect every single Priest to teach exactly the same thing. Every person is different, and no matter the denomination they hold to, they bring their views, past experiences and understandings to their calling. So I think we must allow a certain level of acceptance, at least broadly and initially, to the idea that what is being taught in your church, may not be taught in another, word for word. To assume so, and to take that assumption forward with a harshness of character and accusation, is not just unwise, I believe it to be un-Christlike. If we truly believe that something is the truth; be it what Christ taught in scripture, or what our denomination teaches, and we feel that something someone has said about it is not true, or incorrect, I think, as Christians, we can go forward with questions based on said truth, and an attitude based on the one we follow, rather than a level of nastiness we feel is justified because of whatever history is behind us. Otherwise that history is bound to repeat itself, and nothing good will ever come of any conversation. Very little truth will be heard or loved, not when hurt feelings and accusations are flying.
HI Naomi,

I'm not following your discussion with @epostle1 , I'd just like to make a comment on the above.

What you say above is not accepted in the CC. Every priest must teach the same doctrine and convey these doctrine in lessons given to the congregation either in a homily or in a bible study.

I admire the CC for this. It avoids the constant contradiction that we protestants argue about day and night. I know we agree on all the important facts that make us Christian, but so much nuance that can affect our walk is disputed. Although I do believe some reformation was necessary at the time of the 1,500's due to abuses in the CC, I have always disliked this about the reformation...the splitting of churches based on one idea.

Every system has its pros and cons. All summed, I'd have to say that just like a nation must have a President to keep the states in a unified system...so Christianity should have such a person to keep us unified. This does not exist in protestantism although every denomination or movement has its "pope"; a leader.
 

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HI Naomi,

I'm not following your discussion with @epostle1 , I'd just like to make a comment on the above.

What you say above is not accepted in the CC. Every priest must teach the same doctrine and convey these doctrine in lessons given to the congregation either in a homily or in a bible study.

I admire the CC for this. It avoids the constant contradiction that we protestants argue about day and night. I know we agree on all the important facts that make us Christian, but so much nuance that can affect our walk is disputed. Although I do believe some reformation was necessary at the time of the 1,500's due to abuses in the CC, I have always disliked this about the reformation...the splitting of churches based on one idea.

Every system has its pros and cons. All summed, I'd have to say that just like a nation must have a President to keep the states in a unified system...so Christianity should have such a person to keep us unified. This does not exist in protestantism although every denomination or movement has its "pope"; a leader.
In all fairness GodsGrace, how many different protestant churches have you attended in your life and how many of them did you learn their doctrine from the people who attended said churches.
If all you've attended are romanist churches in Tuscany all your life, then that's all you really know about.

I've been to quite a few different denominations in my day, especially Southern Baptist.
I could fill up page after page of the good things they've done to offset your romanist thought.
But what would that prove?
That I'm pro-baptist.
I'm not pro-baptist, I'm pro-Jesus, and very little is said about him in this very long thread.
Unless Jesus is centered in this thread instead of denominations, then it is not Christ-centered and not of any worthy knowledge.
 

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In all fairness GodsGrace, how many different protestant churches have you attended in your life and how many of them did you learn their doctrine from the people who attended said churches.
If all you've attended are romanist churches in Tuscany all your life, then that's all you really know about.

I've been to quite a few different denominations in my day, especially Southern Baptist.
I could fill up page after page of the good things they've done to offset your romanist thought.
But what would that prove?
That I'm pro-baptist.
I'm not pro-baptist, I'm pro-Jesus, and very little is said about him in this very long thread.
Unless Jesus is centered in this thread instead of denominations, then it is not Christ-centered and not of any worthy knowledge.
I haven't lived in Tuscany all my life, as you know. Just recently.

So, here are the denominations I'm familiar with:
Catholic
Nazarene
Assembly of God
Church of Christ
Universalist
Methodist
Orthodox
Reformed Churches (Calvinist)
Which are:
Presbytarian
Reformed Baptist



The Faith and Prosperity Movement
The Hyper Grace Movement or
Faith Only Movement

Is that enough for ya?
 

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I haven't lived in Tuscany all my life, as you know. Just recently.

So, here are the denominations I'm familiar with:
Catholic
Nazarene
Assembly of God
Church of Christ
Universalist
Methodist
Orthodox
Reformed Churches (Calvinist)
Which are:
Presbytarian
Reformed Baptist



The Faith and Prosperity Movement
The Hyper Grace Movement or
Faith Only Movement

Is that enough for ya?
Boy, you've gone to some really off the wall churches.
I wonder how much they've influenced you?
 

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Boy, you've gone to some really off the wall churches.
I wonder how much they've influenced you?
I've not attended every one of those churches, I just know what they believe.

I've attended the Catholic Church and the Nazarene Church.

BTW, how many people attend churches and don't even know what their churches believe?? Many.
 

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In all fairness GodsGrace, how many different protestant churches have you attended in your life and how many of them did you learn their doctrine from the people who attended said churches.
If all you've attended are romanist churches in Tuscany all your life, then that's all you really know about.

I've been to quite a few different denominations in my day, especially Southern Baptist.
I could fill up page after page of the good things they've done to offset your romanist thought.
But what would that prove?
That I'm pro-baptist.
I'm not pro-baptist, I'm pro-Jesus, and very little is said about him in this very long thread.
Unless Jesus is centered in this thread instead of denominations, then it is not Christ-centered and not of any worthy knowledge.
The term "romanist" is insulting and not remotely "Christ centered".
 

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The CC is one of the churches that has held to its convictions through all of the change in the past 40 or 50 years.
Let's not forget that over that period of time, the CC has also protected thousands of priests and bishops WORLDWIDE who were found guilty of sexual abuse with young children. Are the cover-ups also a part of their *convictions*? Pope Francis tried another cover up recently, then backed off.
https://www.dw.com/en/pope-knew-about-sex-abuse-cover-up-says-chilean-victim/a-42466345
 

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The term "romanist" is insulting and not remotely "Christ centered".
Unfortunately Romanism and Popery are perfectly valid terms for the false Christianty practiced by the church of Rome. You are correct in that they are not Christ-centered.

Non-Catholic Christians cannot (and must not) hate the people who are caught up in this religion, since they have been deceived. However, what must be hated is the false Christianity which is a departure from Gospel truth and Bible truth.

But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate... So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. (Rev 2:6).
 
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You said above:
Where is the media when a Protestant minister does that???
(marries a SS couple)

The CC is one of the churches that has held to its convictions through all of the change in the past 40 or 50 years. Maybe more is just expected from those who have higher moral values?

SS couple are getting "married" here to. In quotation marks because marriage of SS persons is not really possible. God has determined what marriage is...not persons or the government.

They get "married" civilly here and is called a civil union. People ignorantly call it marriage - had a nice opportunity to witness to a woman this week about this. She's atheist of course, and a liberal one at that.

She kept repeating that it was a nice, TRADITIONAL WEDDING. I told her it was not traditional...Not what God would like. (in a nice way of course).

I told her they'd adopt a child next. She said noooooo!
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The slippery slope.

But, yes, the CC does not get involved and is to be respected for holding on to its principles.
Thank you for your thoughtful post. We pay a dear price for holding on to principles. Recently, in Philadelphia, a judge ordered a Catholic adoption agency to adopt to same sex couples. This means the agency has no choice but to shut down. This has occurred in 5 other areas in "the land of the free" where the Constitution doesn't apply to Catholics.

Then there is the time when Pope Francis had an unscheduled visit with Angela Davis, a non-Catholic, who got fired for refusing marriage licences to same sex couples. It must have puzzled the anti-Catholics who think Catholicism is exclusive.

Then there is the case where president Obama tried to force nuns to provide abortion and contraception benefits to it's employees.

I posted about how the left-behind-rapture crowd ultimately persecutes Catholicism. You can read it here, post #15

Forums is another matter. We have (some) good sincere Christians who, unknowingly, want to get that Armageddon train a rollin'.


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