Do you believe in aliens?

[Helen]

Here is Gaebelein's commentary (from Bible Hub) on this passage, which says exactly the same thing:

"The question is who are the sons of God who took the daughters of men. The general view is that the sons of God were the pious descendants of Seth and the daughters of men, the Cainitish offspring. However, there are strong arguments against it.

1. There is no proof in the text that the daughters of men were only the descendants of the Cainites. The text supports the view that in “daughters of men” the natural increase of the whole human family is meant, and not a special class.

2. The theory that “sons of God” must mean pious people can likewise not be sustained. The term sons of God is never applied in the Old Testament to believers. Isaiah 43:6 refers to the future gathering of the godly remnant of Israel. That the believer is a son of God, predestined to the son-place, with the spirit of sonship in him, crying, “Abba, Father,” is exclusively a New Testament revelation.

3. The result of the marriage of the sons of God with the daughters of men were children, who were heroes, men of the Name. If the sons of God were simply the pious Sethites, who mixed with the Cainites, it is hard to understand why the offspring should be a special race, heroes, men of the Name. The giants were Nephilim, which means “the fallen ones.”

“Sons of God” is the term applied in the Old Testament to supernatural beings, both good and evil. Angels good and fallen are termed sons of God in the Old Testament. Satan himself is reckoned among the sons of God in Job 1:6; Job 2:1. The term sons of God must mean here supernatural evil beings. These evil beings came down out of the air and began to take possession of such of the daughters of men as they chose.

“For if God spared not the angels which sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them unto chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; and spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly” (2Peter 2:4-5).

Here we have a New Testament hint on Genesis 6:1-5. The Scripture declares that the fallen angels are still loose; here, however, are angels, which sinned and God did not spare them. Another passage in Jude’s Epistle is still more significant: “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” This statement in Jude is linked with the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We stand not alone in this exposition. “The sons of God, in my judgment, mean the same beings in Genesis as they do in Job. This point will suffice to indicate their chief guilt in thus traversing the boundaries which God appointed for His creatures. No wonder that total ruin speedily ensues. It is really the basis of fact for not a few tales of mythology which men have made up.” (W. Kelly, Lectures on the Pentateuch.) God has veiled the awful corruption and we dare not intrude into the secret things."

Whatever.
A case of - "You in your small corner and I in mine."

Where in Alberta do you live? Anywhere near Calgary?
My husband and I should meet up with you sometime for a meal and a chat!! Maybe we can straighten out some of the things you have chosen to believe. lol
And you in turn, can do the same with us!! Fun.

Bless you...Helen.

 

[Nancy]

Whatever.
A case of - "You in your small corner and I in mine."

Where in Alberta do you live? Anywhere near Calgary?
My husband and I should meet up with you sometime for a meal and a chat!! Maybe we can straighten out some of the things you have chosen to believe. lol
And you in turn, can do the same with us!! Fun.

Bless you...Helen.

Aww! I wanna come too!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm only beginning page 2 of this thread but I have a thought I will forget by the time I read the next 2 pages if I don't write it down.

Where does the idea come that angels don T have bodies? They might not have bodies we can see, maybe until or unless they want us to see them, but if men have entertained angels unawares, wouldn't angels at least sometimes have bodies?

 

[brakelite]

I'm only beginning page 2 of this thread but I have a thought I will forget by the time I read the next 2 pages if I don't write it down.

Where does the idea come that angels don T have bodies? They might not have bodies we can see, maybe until or unless they want us to see them, but it men have entertained angels unawares, wouldn't angels at least sometimes have bodies?

Yes. Not flesh and blood as we understand them, but bodies nevertheless. I believe even the Father, though Spirit, has a body. And one day we will behold His face.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Are demons fallen angels?

I don't necessarily consider gotquestions to be the final word on understanding less obvious biblical matters, but it is often a good place to start.

When exactly God created angels is open for debate, but what is known for sure is that God created everything good because God, in His holiness, cannot create something sinful. So when Satan, who was once the angel Lucifer, rebelled against God and fell from heaven (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28), one third of the angelic host joined his insurrection (Revelation 12:3-4,9). There is no doubt these fallen angels are now known as the demons.

We know that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, according to Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” Jesus, by using the possessive word his makes it clear that these angels belong to Satan. Revelation 12:7-9 describes an end-times angelic battle between Michael and "his angels" and the devil and "his angels." From these and similar verses, it is clear that demons and fallen angels are synonymous.

Some reject the idea that the demons are the fallen angels due to the fact that Jude verse 6 declares the angels who sinned to be "bound with everlasting chains." However, it is clear that not all of the angels who sinned are "bound," as Satan is still free (1 Peter 5:8). Why would God imprison the rest of the fallen angels, but allow the leader of the rebellion to remain free? It seems that Jude verse 6 is referring to God confining the fallen angels who rebelled in an additional way, likely the "sons of God" incident in Genesis chapter 6.

The most common alternate explanation for the origin of the demons is that when the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were destroyed in the Flood, their disembodied souls became the demons. While the Bible does not specifically say what happened to the souls of the Nephilim when they were killed, it is unlikely that God would destroy the Nephilim in the Flood only to allow their souls to cause even greater evil as the demons. The most biblically consistent explanation for the origin of the demons is that they are the fallen angels, the angels who rebelled against God with Satan.

Whether this explains where demons originate or not, alleged 'aliens' could be spirits manifesting as such. Making such claims as travelers from another solar system or galaxy that are not easily disproven by humans limited, for the most part, to this earth physically and by our limited ability to peer into the cosmos. Or a manifestation of being one of 'the Ancients' or some such. Unenlightened people can be fairly gullible. Especially to any supposed 'wisdom' that does not also hold them morally accountable. Their ears itch too.
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Interesting. Had another thought. I'm still not convinced angels don T have some sort of body, though not a human body, and I'm not convinced they cant, if they want to, materialize in front of humans. but we definitely know demons don't have a body, and that it's very distressing to them, so much so that the body of a pig is even better than no body at all to them. So they sort of...steal? a body to reside in.

If demons are fallen angels (I say if) who materialized without God's approval, in order to connect with humans in some way, to produce bodies they could inhabit, we would maybe assume that " bound in chains" might have to do with no longer being able to materialize at will (since their will is not God's will,He took that ability away from them) but not necessarily mean unable to habitate in a body that doesn't have God's Spirit in it...

it makes SOME sense at least, since we have heard that if demons are cast out of a human body, they return sometimes, and if they see it swept, BUT EMPTY, they set up house again. Empty of WHAT? God's Spirit maybe?

 

[brakelite]

I can understand an unbeliever making such a remark. But the Bible makes it perfectly clear that evil angels mated with human women and produced giants and men of renown. (Genesis 6:1-8) They are called "the angels which kept not their first estate" and "the angels that sinned", and in both references the context is sexual immorality.

JUDE 1
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

So what is the Holy Spirit revealing to us through Jude?
1. That a certain group of angels violated their normal boundaries and are therefore imprisoned in Tartarus at this time. (Peter mentions Tartarus).
2. "Even as" is comparative, and compares these angels to the wicked men in Sodom and Gomorrah, who committed fornication and went after "strange flesh" (abnormal and unlawful sexual unions).
3. "Likewise" is again comparative and compares the false prophets of Jude's day to those angels and to the Sodomites, all of which "defiled the flesh" through unlawful sexual unions.

2 PETER 2
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, [TARTARUS] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:...
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Again, Peter makes the same comparisons between the angels that sinned, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the false prophets who are enmeshed in "the lust of uncleanness". It is significant that Peter mentions the Flood of Noah, since the Flood was a result of the wickedness which was generated by these evil angels among humans. Angels can and do take human form, angels are always males, and angels can -- in human form -- have sexual intercourse. That is why those angels are in prison, in chains of darkness, awaiting their final judgment in the Lake of Fire.

Read Jude again. It does not necessarily mean that God is comparing the sin of the fallen angels with those of Sodom. IT makes much more grammatical sense to consider that God is comparing the final destiny of both groups as being one and the same. Utter destruction. The same with Peter. They are reserved for judgement. I don't agree that the chains are literal either. Chains cannot hold a spirit. But they can be held by chains of circumstance. Chains of darkness. No hope of coming to the light. No hope of repentance. Bound to the earth awaiting punishment.

 

[brakelite]

That's interesting brake light. I don't believe in other alien races on other planets because Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Human. So unless there are other humans on planets far away, I don't know why Christ would claim to be their God if they aren't even human.

That the Son of God created all things there can be no doubt. I do not believe that humans are the only beings God created. Just this one lonely isolated planet populated makes no sense. Are the others human? What is a human? Handmade. Are the others handmade? No idea. Even if they are different, does not mean they may not exist. And the fact that the Son of God became a human says more for the incredible privilege that we have to have Him as a Brother and fellow heir, than it does about anything else.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That's interesting brake light. I don't believe in other alien races on other planets because Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Human. So unless there are other humans on planets far away, I don't know why Christ would claim to be their God if they aren't even human.

I understand not believing that there are other beings created by God living on other planets, but I don't understand the reason you give. The angels are not human either, but God is still their God.

 

[101G]

The Hebrew phrase translated “sons of God” (בְנֵי־הָאֱלֹהִים, béne-ha’elohim) occurs only here (Gen 6:2, 4) and in Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. There are three major interpretations of the phrase here. (1) In the Book of Job the phrase clearly refers to angelic beings.

We must disagress with that assessment. in the book of Job there is on verse that you and many scholars miss or cover up the truth. this is the verse.
Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.

the word "men" here of the east is the Hebrew word,
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
{in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
[from H1129]

this is the same term used in Genesis 6:2.

the term Sons of God do not indicate angelic at all, but humans, who have a right relationship with God almighty.

examine Job 1:3 for yourself.

and two, in Job 38:7, this is definitely not speaking of angels. as a matter of fact neither in Job or Genesis do the term "sons of God" refere to angels... Good or Evil.

 

[Dave L]

We must disagress with that assessment. in the book of Job there is on verse that you and many scholars miss or cover up the truth. this is the verse.
Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.

the word "men" here of the east is the Hebrew word,
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
{in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
[from H1129]

this is the same term used in Genesis 6:2.

the term Sons of God do not indicate angelic at all, but humans, who have a right relationship with God almighty.

examine Job 1:3 for yourself.

and two, in Job 38:7, this is definitely not speaking of angels. as a matter of fact neither in Job or Genesis do the term "sons of God" refere to angels... Good or Evil.

Yet out pops cyclops when they mate with human beings?

 

[Episkopos]

We must disagress with that assessment. in the book of Job there is on verse that you and many scholars miss or cover up the truth. this is the verse.
Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.

the word "men" here of the east is the Hebrew word,
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
{in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
[from H1129]

this is the same term used in Genesis 6:2.

the term Sons of God do not indicate angelic at all, but humans, who have a right relationship with God almighty.

examine Job 1:3 for yourself.

and two, in Job 38:7, this is definitely not speaking of angels. as a matter of fact neither in Job or Genesis do the term "sons of God" refere to angels... Good or Evil.

I have come to see that the "sons" of God are indeed angels.

A son in Hebrew is not always someone in the family. It can be a follower.

For example...B'nai b'rith...Means... "sons of the covenant".

B'nai chorin...means free men...sons of freedom.

So then "sons of God" can mean followers or students of God...or servants of God.

I use the bible to interpret the bible.

The followers of Elisha are called sons...

2 Kings 6:1 Now the sons of the prophets said to Elisha, "Behold now, the place before you where we are living is too limited for us.

That is .... בְנֵי-הַנְּבִיאִים

 

[Frank Lee]

It's almost comical, always predictable where practically any discussion goes. This, a rather odd one.

My 2 cents isn't worth much but I do not believe that there are visitors from other planets. Way too many heathen unbelievers support the idea.

Would there be a Jesus for every planet? Of course not. Like sasquatches, it's a good campfire story but there has yet to be a little green man or large hairy one brought in for display.

What is the base thoughts and emotions with these things. It's FEAR. It's the monster under the bed emotion. God has not given us what? A spirit of fear.

Zero evidence for any aliens or sasquatches, which are cut out of the same booger man cloth. Youtube is filled with videos on visitors from space and the you know whats. Every flash in the sky and UFO is an intergalactic taxi bringing little green visitors, eager tourists to observe the primitive earthlings in their native habitat. I could post many scriptures telling us to cast down vain imaginations and imbecilical musings.

Yes the prince of the power of the air can deceive and will do so, knowing the habits and fears of humans. He'll show you whatever it is you fear most. Even to the point that they claim to have been space napped and given undesirable medical exams. REALLY?

Surely, surely we have more important, down to earth matters that are far more pressing. Surely.

This is my belief so you may dismiss it forthwith and carry on. If you happen to catch one please post a non-photoshopped picture with a smiling alien captioned "what, me worry"?

Oh yes. By the way it was God that told us to live long and prosper... Not Mr Spock...

Ray Stevens said it in a song. I saw Elvis in a UFO!

Hebrews 13:9 KJVS
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

 

[101G]

I have come to see that the "sons" of God are indeed angels.

A son in Hebrew is not always someone in the family. It can be a follower.

For example...B'nai b'rith...Means... "sons of the covenant".

B'nai chorin...means free men...sons of freedom.

So then "sons of God" can mean followers or students of God...or servants of God.

I use the bible to interpret the bible.

The followers of Elisha are called sons...

2 Kings 6:1 Now the sons of the prophets said to Elisha, "Behold now, the place before you where we are living is too limited for us.

That is .... בְנֵי-הַנְּבִיאִים

True, a son is not biological, it's about characteristics, according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words 1. primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent. 2. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. 3. those who act in a certain way, whether evil,
or good. those who manifest a certain character.

see the title Son is of character. scripture,
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

this is dealing with title, concering character as God. also no angel is call a son of God at "ANYTIME" and Gen chapter 6 is a time

 

[101G]

Yet out pops cyclops when they mate with human beings?

no angels mate with humans.

 

[101G]

let us make a ststement here. to understand the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 is to understand that Adam and Eve had children in the garden before they sinned. this also explain where Cain got his wife from.

 

[Episkopos]

no angels mate with humans.

Again I used to think this. But read Genesis 6 carefully. The angels who rebelled brought down their dominion over humanity...and in all phases of life. If you see sexuality in the rebellion against God...then demons must have infiltrated there too. There is no outward human thought or deed that has not been utterly corrupted by the devil and his angels. The rebellion in heaven has fully corrupted this creation.

 

[Dave L]

no angels mate with humans.

I think there might be another class of beings above angels called "sons of God".

 

[Episkopos]

let us make a ststement here. to understand the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 is to understand that Adam and Eve had children in the garden before they sinned. this also explain where Cain got his wife from.

It is a sin to marry one's sibling. That theory doesn't work. No...there were other people on earth...God created humans BOTH male and female.

When God was looking for a suitable mate for Adam in the earth...He was not looking for plants or animals. God was looking for a suitable woman for Adam. But He found none...necessitating a rib operation.

 

[101G]

It is a sin to marry one's sibling. That theory doesn't work. No...there were other people on earth...God created humans BOTH male and female.

When God was looking for a suitable mate for Adam in the earth...He was not looking for plants or animals. God was looking for a suitable woman for Adam. But He found none...necessitating a rib operation.

ERROR, it was no sin, for sin had not yet even entered into the world.

and two there was no other people, all came from Adam. supportive scripture,
1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit".

there is only one Adam who was "first". no others.

 

[101G]

I think there might be another class of beings above angels called "sons of God".

book chapter and verse please.