Come to Worship the Lord in Jerusalem

[bbyrd009]

I have faith and no fears.

are you sure?

the future reality of the coming tribulation that shall descend upon all

Any hopes of an earthly Utopia or millennial kingdom on earth is a false hope

This earth is heading for a major meltdown

this planet will be left a vast war cemetery

nothing our imagination can prepare us for the coming crisis

ok

fwiw--and i know this is not pleasant, ok--i suggest that maybe we are scared to death of our own Great Tribulation, and including ourselves in a "we" here like the Bible invites us to do is kind of like...the comfort a Jumper gets taking someone with them or something? maybe. "Yea, though we walk through the valleys and the shadows and the death" ya, i can't find it

See, you get to decide where Christ is revealed, bl. First, i mean. Bc Christ is being revealed to the world too i guess, yes.
It is the world that is passing away, right.

Imo those are all at least categorically untrue up there btw, every single one, and add "Jesus returns" in with them. 18Time to destroy those who destroy the earth pretty much addresses the Earth fallacies up there i hope

 

[bbyrd009]

Am 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets

Luke 8:17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be ... - Bible Hub

Luke 8:17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be known and illuminated.
There is nothing hidden that will not be found. There is no secret that will not be well known. Good News Translation "Whatever is hidden away will be brought ...
‎Luke 8:18 · ‎Luke 8:16 · ‎New International Version · ‎KJV

Mark 4:22 For everything hidden is meant to be revealed ... - Bible Hub

Mark 4:22 For everything hidden is meant to be revealed, and everything concealed is meant to be brought to light.
There is no secret that will not be well known. Good News Translation Whatever is hidden away will be brought out into the open, and whatever is covered up ...

Luke 12:2 There is nothing concealed that will not be ... - Bible Hub

 

[bbyrd009]

We are all going to be very surprised

hard to be surprised when you have no expectations, fwiw

 

[amadeus]

hard to be surprised when you have no expectations, fwiw

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:34

 

[Keraz]

brakelite said: We are all going to be very surprised

hard to be surprised when you have no expectations, fwiw

and;

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:34

I say: We DO have a future and as Bible believers, we should know what that future holds for us. If we don't know it, then we have failed to read and understand what the Bible Prophets have so comprehensively told us.

People on forums such as this one, discuss things like the Great Tribulation, the Millennium Kingdom and our role as Christians in all of the end times.
But because the information given is mostly just an outline, we cannot be sure of how it will all finally happen. From my intensive study over many years, I see a logical pattern emerging, but I see no need to argue about it with anyone who thinks that their sequence of events is the right one.
The ONLY event that we should be aware of and prepared for now, is the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will change the world and set the stage for all what must happen, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.
What the Lord will use on that terrible Day, is well described to us; its origin, its effects and its result. Ignorance of these things simply shows a serious lack of Bible study and understanding.

 

[amadeus]

I say: We DO have a future and as Bible believers, we should know what that future holds for us. If we don't know it, then we have failed to read and understand what the Bible Prophets have so comprehensively told us.

Are you saying the verse I quoted is in error or that you do not understand it or that I do not understand it? I only quoted the verse. I provided not interpretation.

People on forums such as this one, discuss things like the Great Tribulation, the Millennium Kingdom and our role as Christians in all of the end times.
But because the information given is mostly just an outline, we cannot be sure of how it will all finally happen. From my intensive study over many years, I see a logical pattern emerging, but I see no need to argue about it with anyone who thinks that their sequence of events is the right one.
The ONLY event that we should be aware of and prepared for now, is the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will change the world and set the stage for all what must happen, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.
What the Lord will use on that terrible Day, is well described to us; its origin, its effects and its result. Ignorance of these things simply shows a serious lack of Bible study and understanding.

I have read and studied the scriptures for many years [since 1976] and have been on online forums like this one for nearly 20 years. Go ahead with you discussions. I have no problem with that... but don't expect anyone [including yourself] to definitely come up with an exactly correct answer... unless God gives it to them. I always fall back on this verse for understanding and direction:

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

If with God's help we always keep our order right in what we seek, what will God not give us that is really needed?

And/or we can simply to continue to ask God to keep us hungry and thirsty for righteousness:

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" Matt 7:7-11

 

[Keraz]

Are you saying the verse I quoted is in error or that you do not understand it or that I do not understand it? I only quoted the verse. I provided not interpretation.

Of what use was it then?

I have read and studied the scriptures for many years [since 1976] and have been on online forums like this one for nearly 20 years. Go ahead with you discussions. I have no problem with that... but don't expect anyone [including yourself] to definitely come up with an exactly correct answer... unless God gives it to them

God WILL give understanding to those who truly seek it with a open mind. Daniel 12:9-10 says that some will understand the Prophecies for the end times and give a warning of what God has planned.
But those who decide for themselves what they want God to do for them; the 'rapture to heaven' is the prime example, their eyes will be closed and their ears stopped. Isaiah 29:9-12 Also Jesus said: Father I thank You for hiding these things from the [so called] wise and learned people and revealing it to the simple. [the uneducated, people who look at the Prophetic Word with no pre-conceived beliefs] Matthew 11:25

 

[amadeus]

Of what use was it then?

God WILL give understanding to those who truly seek it with a open mind. Daniel 12:9-10 says that some will understand the Prophecies for the end times and give a warning of what God has planned.

Not every member of the Body of Christ is a hand or a finger or a foot or an ear. That which is your calling [@Keraz] is not necessarily the calling of every other member of the Body. The verse quoted [Matt 6:33] was for seemingly everyone... but...

"For the body is not one member, but many." I Cor 12:14

"Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather" I Cor 7:20-21

Not every member of the Body is called to be an apostle, or a prophet, an evangelist or a pastor, or a teachers; but some certainly are [Eph 4:11]. Without the specific calling to be do so, should we be concerned about our inability to understand or do certain things outside our calling?

If we are seeking the two I cited [kingdom of God and His righteousness] will not anything else needed, according to God, be added to us? Don't put your calling on everyone else. Perhaps, we not of your calling can seek that as well, but don't try to make it mandatory...

But those who decide for themselves what they want God to do for them;

Certainly we are not to decide our own calling. The OT prophet made it clear that we are unable:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

No, we cannot direct, but when the Holy Spirit is leading us, we will not lose our way. If we quench the Spirit however, we will find ourselves blind unable to find our way along that Highway of Holiness.

the 'rapture to heaven' is the prime example, their eyes will be closed and their ears stopped. Isaiah 29:9-12 Also Jesus said: Father I thank You for hiding these things from the [so called] wise and learned people and revealing it to the simple. [the uneducated, people who look at the Prophetic Word with no pre-conceived beliefs] Matthew 11:25

You are saying nothing to anyone who is seeking first the Kingdom and Righteousness of God first.

 

[Keraz]

You are saying nothing to anyone who is seeking first the Kingdom and Righteousness of God first.

We all look forward to the Kingdom of Jesus and righteousness is gained by having faith in an unseen God. We must maintain our faith during the tough and testing times ahead.

And I am saying a lot to all Christians, who like me; until I studied the Prophetic Word for myself, have never heard any end times prophecy preached. They do read them, but cannot understand how it all makes a coherent picture.
The majority just accept the 'rapture to heaven' theory, so why worry, if we're gonna be outta here? This is very sad because when the testing time comes, they may renounce God as He does not do what they expected.

 

[bbyrd009]

But because the information given is mostly just an outline, we cannot be sure of how it will all finally happen.

the "it" you have in your mind is an illusion with all due respect Keraz, "it" is not ever going to happen ok. You are treating the Revelation of Christ as Future History just like billions before you have, and billions after you will i guess.

Sure seems plausible though huh? As exposed as we are to the world via our electronics now it can be easy to believe all the hype, can't it? Who cannot literally see the bottom of the foot that is about to crush us? Do yourself a favor imo, if this is you, get yourself a dog and follow it around until you get better or something. I'm serious

Life is better today by any measure you care to use, and Scripture is plain about what happens to those who say otherwise

From my intensive study over many years, I see a logical pattern emerging

ah, ya, that is the death knell right there bro. My dad died Standing There ok, and i am not getting paid to tell you this or anything. You seeing logic emerging in a spiritual war just reinforces my pov Keraz. Now obviously you have been hurt in the past and are prolly eager to see God's Righteous Retribution ok, that's why Charles Bronson sold so well; but honest, forgiveness is the best revenge ok bro.

The ONLY event that we should be aware of and prepared for now, is the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will change the world and set the stage for all what must happen, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

well, you aren't the first to have that vision ok, that is so commonly heard that we now fairly well get what that is really saying, and i will even offer some proof ok, that being that you cannot Quote a single concept you just stated from Scripture, even though i know you think you can. It's a spiritual war, Keraz, and the enemy is in the mirror ok bro. Today is the day.
imo

 

[bbyrd009]

I say: We DO have a future and as Bible believers, we should know what that future holds for us.

but imo no one is saying that we have no "future," but that dwelling there keeps you from dwelling here!
You end up being a fear-monger, and breaking all kinds of other Scriptural principles, imo you may as well just give us a date even?

i mean let's be honest, you are about to spend another whole day dwelling in the future right, assuring everyone about how the Sky is About to Fall, yet you cannot even state a single metric by which the world is getting any worse, unless it might be to point out how many are so obv deceived and parroting whatever the MSM spits at them now. Really hard not to see a herd all marching in lockstep with their right arms in The Position imo, no offense, been there

 

[amadeus]

We all look forward to the Kingdom of Jesus and righteousness is gained by having faith in an unseen God. We must maintain our faith during the tough and testing times ahead.

And I am saying a lot to all Christians, who like me; until I studied the Prophetic Word for myself, have never heard any end times prophecy preached. They do read them, but cannot understand how it all makes a coherent picture.
The majority just accept the 'rapture to heaven' theory, so why worry, if we're gonna be outta here? This is very sad because when the testing time comes, they may renounce God as He does not do what they expected.

I don't just accept anything as an all done type of thing. For me it is to be a 24/7 surrender to Him. For me He is first and I still mess up, but each time that happens I look to Him again for my help. The work is not finished until my time is finished, which is not yet.

Yes, let us all look forward to those first things plus. May God richly bless you in your walk.

 

[Keraz]

but imo no one is saying that we have no "future," but that dwelling there keeps you from dwelling here!
You end up being a fear-monger, and breaking all kinds of other Scriptural principles, imo you may as well just give us a date even?

Thanks bbyrd, your point of view is held by many. But what do we do with the Bible prophesies? If we ignore them, then where do we draw the line in what we believe?
A lot of Jesus' Words were prophetic; including all of Revelation. Did He tell us all that for no reason, is He a 'fear-monger?

No: what we are plainly told will happen is for our good and to ignore it is a sin. What is more; we are given times and seasons for what God has planned and to not be ready for it all to happen, may be very disadvantageous for us.

Yes; it is true that some have become inured to and surfeited with Bible prophecy. I know quite a few who were keen prophecy students, who have just said: Whatever.....
The problem for many has been, that we see the signs too soon. They say: things are converging, the 'labor pangs' are now, etc. Its the 'cry wolf' syndrome and after a few years of that, it causes many to just throw the lot into the bin. As you have.
This is not right, as what Jesus and the Prophets Wrote will happen, mostly literally or as easily explainable allegories, and it will likely be people alive today who will experience it all.
God will correct His Creation; Wait for the Day!

 

[bbyrd009]

But what do we do with the Bible prophesies?

apply them to the revelation of Christ?

If we ignore them, then where do we draw the line in what we believe?

why do you need a line there, when you are being judged for your works?

Yes; it is true that some have become inured to and surfeited with Bible prophecy. I know quite a few who were keen prophecy students, who have just said: Whatever.....
The problem for many has been, that we see the signs too soon. They say: things are converging, the 'labor pangs' are now, etc. Its the 'cry wolf' syndrome and after a few years of that, it causes many to just throw the lot into the bin. As you have.

ah well that wouldn't surprise me either, but i have not done that.
they all mean something to me

 

[bbyrd009]

i'd like to suggest that anyone reading this accept the possibility that Scripture was written in the Eastern Dialectic, and we are reading it from the Hegelian, what we are all so intimate with; an implied winner and loser.

And i'll say here that you can always go back later if you like, right :)

 

[Blueberry]

i'd like to suggest that anyone reading this accept the possibility that Scripture was written in the Eastern Dialectic, and we are reading it from the Hegelian, what we are all so intimate with; an implied winner and loser.

How about neither dialectic?

 

[Blueberry]

If there were sensible questions, I can help as I can claim to know the Bible prophesies very well, but scoffing and denigration is of no use to anyone and just leaves you in the dark about God's plans for our future.

When will all this be?

 

[Episkopos]

Watch and pray.

 

[bbyrd009]

How about neither dialectic?

ha well some dialectic must be employed in order to reason--we read Scripture from a Hegelian pov by default--and i mean to suggest using the one the authors used at the time, with the understanding that the Hegelian was well known to them by 0ad, Christ even came, strangely enough, at the rise of Hegelian (Greek) reasoning; no one spoke Hebrew any more in Israel, etc

 

[bbyrd009]

Watch and pray.

watch and pray until you die if you like, the kingdom will not come that way, by observation, and you will not come to know the time that way, just as Scripture assures us. These are the watches and the prayers of those with two eyes wadr