The Rapture Lie

[Taken]

The RAPTURE is NOT a LIE.

The RAPTURE IS Specifically The Lord Jesus Himself, as the Son of Man, and the Christ, who IS the Power of God, descending FROM Heaven TO THE CLOUDS, for the Purpose of Redeeming...Claiming...Calling...
UP TO HIM...... HIS CHURCH.

Christ Jesus' CHURCH,
is NOT: All believers IN God.
Is NOT: All Jews, All Gentiles.
Is NOT: All Rabbi's, Clerics, teachers, rich, poor, famous, philosophers, etc.

Christ Jesus' CHURCH is a VERY SPECIFIC group of INDIVIDUALS:

WHO such Individuals were NATURALLY BORN, and HAVE FREELY Chosen, during their natural life....TO:

Believe IN God and thee Lord Jesus...

And FREELY CHOSE to give their LIFE TO
Thee Lord Jesus...

And FREELY CHOSE to ACCEPT His GIFT of Forgiveness, Circumcision, Salvation, Quickening and His Indwelling Holy Spirit.

IF ya'll ain't part of that ^...CORRECT, the Lord WILL NOT Be REDEEMING you, Glorifying your body, Sounding a TRUMP that you can hear, Calling you up to Meet Him in the clouds, and you participating IN a Marriage Union with the Lord.

You will remain on earth, with the others who have REJECTED Christ Jesus....and be subject to what things are prepared for those left upon the earth.

IOW - If you are not Betrothed to Christ Jesus; He has NO CLAIM on you, and He is not going to be calling you UP to Him.

The testimony of SOME, is they are Prepared, and Betrothed to Christ Jesus, and are in Waiting for their Groomsman to appear, call to them, their marriage to be performed and consecentrated Before God and the invited (saints) Witnesses.

A Whole lot of people are going to MISS OUT on participating in THAT EVENT....

But then GOD IS JUST. People are GIVEN what they ask for.

Personally, I asked the Lord to Convert me, and that I become Betrothed to the Lord, and Look forward to the sound of being summoned to MEETING the Lord in the clouds and participating in the Marriage to the Lord.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Frank Lee]

Walls and walls of text on any subject will not be read. Battles for or against the "rapture" or any other subject matter not to me. I'm a christian and his appointed time I shall go to be with him.

Reading the Bible yields peace while reading pitched battles over jots and titles do not. I believe basking in the words of the Bible will continue to be my source. Amen

 

[CoreIssue]

Walls and walls of text on any subject will not be read. Battles for or against the "rapture" or any other subject matter not to me. I'm a christian and his appointed time I shall go to be with him.

Reading the Bible yields peace while reading pitched battles over jots and titles do not. I believe basking in the words of the Bible will continue to be my source. Amen

Rapture is not a salvation issue. It is the sanctification issue.

But the Bible says there is a special blessing for those who study prophecy. So a matter rewards,Which has eternal impact..

Every person has to deal with those realities as they will.

 

[Nancy]

Ok, so what is the difference between the last trump and the 7th trump?

This dilemma is easily resolved:

1. The trumpet for salvation CANNOT BE the trumpet for damnation. The trump of God for the saints has nothing to do with the final trumpet judgment which heralds severe judgments on the unsaved.

2. God has not only saved us from Hell but from His wrath. Tribulation = wrath is reserved for the disobedient and unrighteous:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile... (Rom 2:8,9).

Okay, so what is the difference between the Last Trump and the 7th Trump? I have read the scriptures pertaining to this in 1Thes. and Rev. but, cannot figure how they are different. And, I also cannot find where Jesus comes twice, just the one time in the clouds. I have to go "mid-Trib"...and, at least it is BEFORE the really, really bad stuff comes!
Bottom line, if Jesus plucks Christians out of the world at the start of the 7 year Tribulation period, THAT would be so awesome. But if He does not, then I would hope my faith will be well strengthened by then so as to NEVER take the "mark"...now that would be quite the test!

 

[Taken]

Ok, so what is the difference between the last trump and the 7th trump?

Okay, so what is the difference between the Last Trump and the 7th Trump? I have read the scriptures pertaining to this in 1Thes. and Rev. but, cannot figure how they are different. And, I also cannot find where Jesus comes twice, just the one time in the clouds. I have to go "mid-Trib"...and, at least it is BEFORE the really, really bad stuff comes!

Trumps are signals.
At times a call for troops to act.
At times in Scripture signal God is about to act, by and through His Holy Angels.

Christs Church belongs to Christ the Lord Jesus.
He is the Head of His Church.
He is the Rock, Foundation, Cornerstone of His Church.
His Church is Built by adding one member upon another member, as each member becomes a part of His Church.

What Jesus FINISHED on the Cross, called it FINISHED, was Him FINISHING what He came to Earth TO DO....which WAS Establishing His Church, and teaching HOW men could Become a Member of His Church;
Forgiven, Saved, Born Again, and the Lord Forever with "that" man.

The Rapture, is a word meaning, a Quick taking.

There are several times in Scripture REDEMPTION, is spoken of.

To redeem something; Requires something that is Legally Authoritzed TO CLAIM and TAKE what is Legally theirs.

(If you have possession of a coupon, an empty soda bottle, and there is a legal means for you to REDEEM and claim the item or money, and you do so, You have made a quick claim and taken possession of the item or money, for redeeming the coupon or empty bottle).

Christ the Lord Jesus possesses the Life of People, who have freely giving Him "legal" authority to Claim and Take their Bodies, Glorify those Bodies, and call them UP to Him.

WHEN the Lord SHALL CALL UP to Him, His LAWFUL Possessions, IS Him acting On His Authority to do so. It is a resurrection, and redemption.

Christ ONLY, LAWFULLY possess PARTICULAR people. So this Resurrection ONLY Pertains to THOSE Jesus Christ Can Lawfully CLAIM, call up and Take unto Himself.

In short, THAT particular Resurrection is called the RAPTURE, and pertains ONLY to Christ Jesus' CLAIMING and TAKING what Lawfully Belongs TO HIM, and are of God.

WHO "THEY" Are Specific;

John.17
[1] whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
[8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
[9] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
[10] And all mine are thine, and thine are mine;

What "THEY" are Waiting for Specific;

I Thes 4:16
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

When "THEY" shall be notified;

On a day the Lord Jesus SHALL Descend FROM HEAVEN, pause, stop, be IN THE CLOUDS, and Call UP, Redeem, Claim, Take UP to Him.....HIS CHURCH.

It is the DAY, His ENTIRE CHURCH receives their Glorified Bodys.

They are DEAD in the Flesh (BODY)
Soul already RESTORED and SAVED.
Spirit already QUICKENED and BORN AGAIN.

And THEN when the Trump sounds, they RISE UP in a GLORIFIED BODY, and for the FIRST TIME, are able TO SEE thee LORD GOD, AS HE IS.

The Lord Descends from Heaven "ONCE".
What He does While IN THE CLOUDS is multiple things.....BEFORE He sets His Foot ONCE AGAIN UPON the Earth.....A RESTORED EARTH, taking Possession of His Kingdom.

During the Tribulation...there are things that occur...

Seven SEALS (opening and revealing what is released and allowed with power to act upon the people of the earth and the nations of the earth)

It begins with ONE seal opening, BY the Lord, continues to the second seal opening, continuing to the SEVENTH Seal....

As things are happening with the Seventh Seal opening....it blends into the:
Seven BOWLS (what is revealed God pouring out upon the people upon the earth and the nations of the earth)

One bowl poured out after the first, second, and so forth until the Seventh bowl....and it blends into the beginning of the;
Seven TRUMPS ( sounds and signals of God, and what happens after each Trump is sounded)

The trumps are signals, of division.

During the Tribulation a Division is being EFFECTED.

Some men taking the Mark of the Beast.
Some men are heeding the Call to submit unto God. And during that time....plagues, distruction and death is being EFFECTED upon the earth and the earth nations and peoples.

After the last TRUMP, ALL that Belong to God, Are Redeemed, Taken, Resurrected, the earth Restored, Christs Kingdom with His Church ON the earth, and a few remaining Mortals, with neither the mark of the Beast or the Seal of God, left on the earth to repopulate the Earth for 1,000 years. Then shall there be One last Battle, between Good and Evil and Death Swallowed up Forever.

In short...Christ's Church does not STAY on the Earth during the Tribulation.
Christ's Church IS already Saved and Born Again and WITH the Lord, above the Earth...

While the people of the Earth are DECIDING their STANDING....with or without the Lord God.

And those people suffering the consequences of rejecting God.....or being Killed FOR their standing WITH God, and they also become resurrected and given eternal life.

It is an indepth study, and this just a brief.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

Okay, so what is the difference between the Last Trump and the 7th Trump?

Once Christians get a proper understanding of the difference between the Divine Bridegroom summoning His Bride to His Marriage vs the Divine Judge pouring out His wrath on the unrighteous, there will be no problem in distinguishing between TWO DIFFERENT TRUMPETS for two different purposes. Notice that for the Rapture "the last trump" is called "the trump of God" which is for the children of God. But for divine judgments it is the trumpet of an angel heralding extremely severe judgments to destroy the ungodly. Please note carefully:

And the seventh angel sounded [his trumpet]; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever... And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (Rev 11:15,18)

Now how would it be possible for God to give His servants, His prophets, and His saints their rewards while His wrath is being poured out upon the earth? The answer is crystal clear. All the saints are in Heaven while the judgments are coming upon the earth.

And, I also cannot find where Jesus comes twice, just the one time in the clouds.

That is rather simple. In John 14:1-3, Jesus says that He will come again to take His saints with Him to Heaven. This is NOT the Second Coming of Christ to earth, since we know that He comes only "in the air" at the Rapture, and the saints meet Him in the air. And it is all in nanoseconds.

However, in Revelation 19, Christ comes WITH His saints and angels back to earth to judge and destroy His enemies. This is the Second Coming "with clouds" of saints and angels.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they alsowhich pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)

The whole world will see Christ at His second coming, and weep, and mourn, and wail because wrath is coming to earth.

 

[Nancy]

Once Christians get a proper understanding of the difference between the Divine Bridegroom summoning His Bride to His Marriage vs the Divine Judge pouring out His wrath on the unrighteous, there will be no problem in distinguishing between TWO DIFFERENT TRUMPETS for two different purposes. Notice that for the Rapture "the last trump" is called "the trump of God" which is for the children of God. But for divine judgments it is the trumpet of an angel heralding extremely severe judgments to destroy the ungodly. Please note carefully:

And the seventh angel sounded [his trumpet]; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever... And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (Rev 11:15,18)

Now how would it be possible for God to give His servants, His prophets, and His saints their rewards while His wrath is being poured out upon the earth? The answer is crystal clear. All the saints are in Heaven while the judgments are coming upon the earth.

That is rather simple. In John 14:1-3, Jesus says that He will come again to take His saints with Him to Heaven. This is NOT the Second Coming of Christ to earth, since we know that He comes only "in the air" at the Rapture, and the saints meet Him in the air. And it is all in nanoseconds.

However, in Revelation 19, Christ comes WITH His saints and angels back to earth to judge and destroy His enemies. This is the Second Coming "with clouds" of saints and angels.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they alsowhich pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)

The whole world will see Christ at His second coming, and weep, and mourn, and wail because wrath is coming to earth.

I cannot believe how many times the word Trump, Trumpet, Trumpets and even Trumpeters are in the bible, 118! And,some of them take on different forms such as the voice of God or,"...as of a trumpet speaking to me" Rev. 4:1.
This is a very deep subject, and I seem to be led to Mid-Trib...my decision on this is-- "JUST BE PREPARED". Or, I suppose I have not even COME to a decision that is solidified. Then there are the "dispensations"! Yikes! It is all so very interesting but, I am no scholar and admit I DO listen to teachers and read other men's books about the bible. But, NOT without much prayer for discernment and scripture checking if something does not sound quite right. So, I will hope in the rapture but be prepared either way.

 

[ScottA]

I cannot believe how many times the word Trump, Trumpet, Trumpets and even Trumpeters are in the bible, 118! And,some of them take on different forms such as the voice of God or,"...as of a trumpet speaking to me" Rev. 4:1.
This is a very deep subject, and I seem to be led to Mid-Trib...my decision on this is-- "JUST BE PREPARED". Or, I suppose I have not even COME to a decision that is solidified. Then there are the "dispensations"! Yikes! It is all so very interesting but, I am no scholar and admit I DO listen to teachers and read other men's books about the bible. But, NOT without much prayer for discernment and scripture checking if something does not sound quite right. So, I will hope in the rapture but be prepared either way.

Nancy, are you aware that Paul clarified the timing of the rapture (as follows)?

1 Corinthians 15:23
But each one in his own order...

The last trump comes to us each individually.

 

[CoreIssue]

Ok, so what is the difference between the last trump and the 7th trump?

Okay, so what is the difference between the Last Trump and the 7th Trump? I have read the scriptures pertaining to this in 1Thes. and Rev. but, cannot figure how they are different. And, I also cannot find where Jesus comes twice, just the one time in the clouds. I have to go "mid-Trib"...and, at least it is BEFORE the really, really bad stuff comes!
Bottom line, if Jesus plucks Christians out of the world at the start of the 7 year Tribulation period, THAT would be so awesome. But if He does not, then I would hope my faith will be well strengthened by then so as to NEVER take the "mark"...now that would be quite the test!

 

[mjrhealth]

More disturbing? THAT IS what I was speaking of......MEN claiming they TRUST GOD....WHILE THEY ALSO exhitibt....THEY DO NOT TRUST GOD.

If God decided He needs you here, are you going to trust Him to keep you safe, Seems there are so many trying to run away, What was it John said to the pharisees.

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

I am happy to be where ever He wants me to be, you know this bit

1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

 

[Enoch111]

The last trump comes to us each individually.

No. It is a collective summoning of Christians at the last trump, which is also the trump of God, and specifically for th Resurrection/Rapture.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:52)

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first... (1 Thess 4:16)

 

[Taken]

If God decided He needs you here, are you going to trust Him to keep you safe, Seems there are so many trying to run away, What was it John said to the pharisees.

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

I am happy to be where ever He wants me to be, you know this bit

1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Point is, the Lord has already Decided, and Revealed, who shall be where, and when.

It is multitudes of men who are still Deciding.

I've Decided for myself, haven't you?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[ScottA]

No. It is a collective summoning of Christians at the last trump, which is also the trump of God, and specifically for th Resurrection/Rapture.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:52)

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first... (1 Thess 4:16)

I would agree with you if you had prefaced your comment with "With the Lord..." But you prefaced it with "No", as most who take the scriptures to mean that there is a mass exit from the world, which there is not, and not according to me, but to Paul who clarified the meaning.

 

[CoreIssue]

I would agree with you if you had prefaced your comment with "With the Lord..." But you prefaced it with "No", as most who take the scriptures to mean that there is a mass exit from the world, which there is not, and not according to me, but to Paul who clarified the meaning.

Let me kick in I do not believe there will be any form of mass Exodus if by that majority of the earth is meant.

Looking at all the info out there, I doubt even 10% of the world is saved. But of course I qualify that with only God knows.

 

[ScottA]

Let me kick in I do not believe there will be any form of mass accident if by that majority. Is men

Looking at all the info out there, I doubt even 10% of the world is saved. But of course I qualify that with only God knows.

The point is that the scriptures speak of the catching away from God's side of the equation as a mass event - which it is. But Paul clarified that it is not so from our side of the equation, but rather that we come "each in his own order."

This is the great difference between time and eternity. Which things we should be learning...as He increases, and we decrease.

Do you see it?

 

[CoreIssue]

The point is that the scriptures speak of the catching away from God's side of the equation as a mass event - which it is. But Paul clarified that it is not so from our side of the equation, but rather that we come "each in his own order."

This is the great difference between time and eternity. Which things we should be learning...as He increases, and we decrease.

Do you see it?

Mass event is the wrong term. It is a collective event.

1 Corinthians 15:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

So for clarity, Christ's first and then us. Not us one at a time.

And of course, later, the two witnesses followed by another rapture at the end of time.


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[ScottA]

Mass event is the wrong term. It is a collective event.

1 Corinthians 15:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

So for clarity, Christ's first and then us. Not us one at a time.

And of course, later, the two witnesses followed by another rapture at the end of time.


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The semantic difference between that of mass event vs. collective event is one thing, and rather silly. But your translation leaves a few important words out:

1 Corinthians 15:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

...Here, Paul gives both sides of the equation, that from those looking on from the world timeline, and also from God's eternal and timeless perspective.

 

[CoreIssue]

The semantic difference between that of mass event vs. collective event is one thing, and rather silly. But your translation leaves a few important words out:

1 Corinthians 15:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

...Here, Paul gives both sides of the equation, that from those looking on from the world timeline, and also from God's eternal and timeless perspective.

They say the same thing. Your letting archaic English trip you up

 

[ScottA]

They say the same thing. Your letting archaic English trip you up

You say archaic, I say original. Modern is not always better.

And, no, they don't at all say the same thing.

 

[Enoch111]

But you prefaced it with "No", as most who take the scriptures to mean that there is a mass exit from the world, which there is not, and not according to me, but to Paul who clarified the meaning.

But it was Paul who said there would be a mass exit, echoing the words of Christ, who said that long before Paul. Now you should ask yourself why there should be a mass exit of the saints. There is a solid reason for this.