Why Baptize a Baby?

[mjrhealth]

My comment said "Scripture".

By your own presented definition, you should have deduced that my comment was a reference to The Bible.

Glory to God,
Taken

Ye but Jesus and the disciples where talking about the Torah, the OT.

 

[Frank Lee]

But who says that the thief was not water baptised before hand ?

This is is indeed quite a faith stretch Reggie my boy! A macabre thought methinks. Extrapolating the Scriptures leads one down strange and dangerous paths.

Hebrews puts it plainly. We should be farther down the road than to yet be wrestling over baptism!

Hebrews 6:1-2 KJVS
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Hebrews 5:12 KJVS
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

 

[Taken]

But who says that the thief was not water baptised before hand ?

Who said the thief was baptized with water?

Jesus would of known but if one says like the thief did of Jesus, then one is in the Kingdom of God because you believe in him, so he is in the Paradise the Kingdom of God, not Heaven mind. or Jesus would of said Heaven.

Jesus knew, and Scripture tells us, the thief believed in Jesus.

The Garden was Paradise, (not Heaven) until God kicked them out because of the workings of the Serpents temptations leading them astray, so they were not worthy of Gods Paradise that God created for us.

In brief;
Paradise IS, where the Tree of Life IS.
The Tree of Life, has changed locations;
The Tree of Life, IS where Saved souls are.

So one who has faith will get water baptised, water Baptised does not give you faith but faith can come before water baptised for sure, but water baptise is a community of Gods people for that ends as to faith for sure to be sure.

Faith ONLY comes from God.
Measures of FAITH are given a man, BECAUSE the man BELIEVES.

At any time a man can STOP Believing, and that man would ALSO STOP Receiving Faith from God.

The gift of FAITH-FULLNESS, is a Permanent GIFT from God....GIVEN a man at such TIME the man "chooses" to GIVE his LIFE to the Lord...The man IS "THEN" Baptized with the "HOLY SPIRIT", "once and forever".

It has "Nothing" to do with water Baptism.

Just off hand I don't think that the Bible does not say that the thief or Saul and others were water baptised but I think that they all were, a lot of the top Jews were water baptised by John as well. but it did not save them. and John says of Jesus Baptism of the Holy Spirit is so much more than the Water Baptism.

Speculating who was or was not WATER Baptized, is not relevant.

In Gen 1: 2 the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, well Jesus walked on the waters, you all know what that means don't you. he is the one of God the Holy Spirit and he moves upon the waters and you being of the waters are his. he is the beginning and the end no one come to the Father but through his only begotten Son. without the Holy Spirit you are lost, dead to such and under a curse of Sin. outside of Gods Garden.

The Jew was kicked out of the Garden because they rejected the Son 2000 years ago.
The Jew has no right to be back in the Land because they reject the Son and such is a Sin against God to create such, so it's a work of Satan.

There was no such thing as a JEW, in the Garden of Eden.
Ancient early OT men were SAVED, by Belief in God and the Word of God....BEFORE they were TOLD the NAME of the Word of God...
IS Jesus.

And BTW - there are JEWS who have accepted the Word of God's NAME, IS Jesus, and Jesus IS the Promised Christ Messiah.
They do not call themselves Christians.
They call themselves MESSIANIC JEWS.

One point in the Bible points out that there was a Vineyard who's was let out to some people and the owner went away and that a mob took over, well the owner sent some to see that mob and they always killed them who were sent and then the owner sent his only Son and they killed him as well, they were murders from the beginning he said of them and they were not people of God but of their Father the Devil. I wonder who that Son was ? the People have not changed there spots who they serve. so why look to such as anything but what they truly are cursed Satanist who lead the whole world astray. nothing that they do is of the Holy Spirit but the workings of cursed mad men. they come across as looking like great shinning ones to all who are not Born Again because true Israel (Servants of God) who are Born Again can see a Kike for what it is, a white washed tomb full of dead mans bones. once you put your hand on such a shining one, Click you know it's a filthy parasite Kike that has no love of God but of themselves and there stupid worldly driven ego, that only destroys people like a plague of Vampires sucking the life blood out of all and we have seen this with the fall of Christianity being undermined by such Satanist leading it astray. Christianity is irreverent in the world today but Jews are Idolised now. (how Satanic) [/QUOTE]

There are a lot of "they's" in your comment, with no Scriptural reference.

The Lord Saves "INDIVIDUALS", regardless if "THEY" are called by the Label "Jew or Gentile".
THe....When, Why, How the Lord "saves" an "INDIVIDUAL", is revealed in Scriptural teaching.
Some Jews ARE and WILL Be Saved;
Some Won't.
Some Gentiles ARE and WILL Be Saved;
Some Won't.

One knows who controls you if you can not speak out against such in fear of them, Jesus coped it from such peoples cunning, remember what the bastards did to him !

Fear is what men have of the unknown.
Desire is what men gain when they receive Knowledge.

Remember; It was Gods desire to Give Earthly men A HOLY EXAMPLE.

Jesus IS mankinds HOLY EXAMPLE.

Earthly men are naturally Born in Sin.

No Earthly man can ONLY be born of WATER, naturally, and enter The Lords Kingdom.

An Earthly man MUST have BECOME born of an Earthly mans "SEED" (naturally with Water coming forth out of a woman's Womb)

And to Enter INTO the Lords Kingdom;

that Earthly man MUST first DIE, and THEN Become BORN Spiritually (supernaturally WITH Gods "SEED") BEFORE, that man CAN RECEIVE the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT.

The Baptism "OF" the Holy Spirit ...
"IS" the Sprit of God DWELLING "WITHIN" the man.

ANY MAN, WHO is ACCEPTING of Jesus' WAY;
Which IS a man ACCEPTING DEATH on the Cross "WITH" Jesus, is FULFILLING his "required DEATH", to then RECEIVE the SEED of GOD, and become BORN AGAIN, and thus, is GIVEN the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit".

^ THAT MAN is NOW a member of Christ's Church, and the BRIDE PREPARED, for when the GROOM (Christ Jesus) descends from Heaven, TO THE CLOUDS, and CALLS UP TO HIM...(His Church, His Bride)...to Celebrate the Marriage Supper; (in the clouds)
The Groom, His Bride and the Attending guests (which the guests are invited "saints" and "witnesses" of the Celebration).

Then shall the 7 years of Tribulation Begin.

There shall REMAIN ON EARTH, MANY others,
Some who Believe in God....but not Jesus.
Some who Believe in Jesus...but not God.
Some who Believe in Neither.

During the 7 years, Final decisions of the Earth's inhabitants are being effected. Some shall become Saved, some shall dally, and die in their Sins.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Not accusing anybody of anything.
Just exposing you - that's all . . .

LOL...all day long you ACCUSE people not in agreement with YOU, AS Liars. Then you CLAIM "YOU" have "exposed them as liars".

Dude, no one is impressed BY your self-appointed title of "Educator".
No one is jumping on your bandwagon and FOLLOWING "YOU".

While you are pushing your Catholic Agenda, people are ignoring YOUR Agenda and flocking to Jesus' Doctrine, His Word, Following Him....and not seeking or following Your Doctrine or Your Word.

You have become An Amusement; projecting yourself, AS "thee" Educator, and Dictating "if you have proclaimed YOUR Doctrine and others do not FALL IN WITH YOUR DOCTRINE, YOUR WORD....they ARE liars"...

LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I've got PLENTY of friends.
I just don't look for them here.

That is obvious. LOL

I'm only here to expose people like YOU so that others who read your lies won't be seduced by them . . .

LIES are what does not APPLY to a person.
You have repeatedly revealed YOU ATTEMPT to APPLY to others, that which DOES NOT APPLY to them.

The Liar and false Accuser is more than obvious in your own posts.
And on WHOSE behalf you make your Accusations IS also revealed in your own posts.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Ye but Jesus and the disciples where talking about the Torah, the OT.

The approved Written Word of God are Scriptures, regardless of the Era.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...all day long you ACCUSE people not in agreement with YOU, AS Liars. Then you CLAIM "YOU" have "exposed them as liars".

Dude, no one is impressed BY your self-appointed title of "Educator".
No one is jumping on your bandwagon and FOLLOWING "YOU".

While you are pushing your Catholic Agenda, people are ignoring YOUR Agenda and flocking to Jesus' Doctrine, His Word, Following Him....and not seeking or following Your Doctrine or Your Word.

You have become An Amusement; projecting yourself, AS "thee" Educator, and Dictating "if you have proclaimed YOUR Doctrine and others do not FALL IN WITH YOUR DOCTRINE, YOUR WORD....they ARE liars"...

LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

WRONG as usual.

I don’t expose anybody for lying unless they LIED.
Those who simply “disagree” are entitled to their opinions and I don’t have a problem with them. Just ask the true Christian examples of Protestantism here like @ByGrace and a few others.

As for me personally– you’re missing the point again.
I couldn’t care less if you or any of your anti-Catholic minions like me. I’m NOT here for you. I’m here to expose you. Bratty children don’t like getting caught. The angrier YOU get – the more MY point is made . . .

I’m here to make sure that the truth gets out to those reading the posts so that they aren’t seduced by your lies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

That is obvious. LOL



LIES are what does not APPLY to a person.
You have repeatedly revealed YOU ATTEMPT to APPLY to others, that which DOES NOT APPLY to them.

The Liar and false Accuser is more than obvious in your own posts.
And on WHOSE behalf you make your Accusations IS also revealed in your own posts.

Glory to God,
Taken

No – lies are the opposite of truth.

They are what cowardly and uneducated people use because they can’t argue against the truth using truth itself – so they HAVE to lie.

This describes YOU to a tee . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

WRONG as usual.

I don’t expose anybody for lying unless they LIED.
Those who simply “disagree” are entitled to their opinions and I don’t have a problem with them. Just ask the true Christian examples of Protestantism here like @ByGrace and a few others.

As for me personally– you’re missing the point again.
I couldn’t care less if you or any of your anti-Catholic minions like me. I’m NOT here for you. I’m here to expose you. Bratty children don’t like getting caught. The angrier YOU get – the more MY point is made . . .

I’m here to make sure that the truth gets out to those reading the posts so that they aren’t seduced by your lies.

Personally, I don't think anyone should reply to you.
Why?
So they could be called a liar.

And in YOUR case, it doesn't even matter if you're telling the truth...
no one listens to you anyway.

On any other forum, you'd be banned for life as a troll, for goading, for being uncivil and for other reasons that break most TOS. I don't know why you're kept here.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Personally, I don't think anyone should reply to you.
Why?
So they could be called a liar.

And in YOUR case, it doesn't even matter if you're telling the truth...
no one listens to you anyway.

On any other forum, you'd be banned for life as a troll, for goading, for being uncivil and for other reasons that break most TOS. I don't know why you're kept here.

And I don't know why you continue to LIE so much.
I've NEVER called you or anybody else a "Liar" yet you constantly accuse me of it.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

Personally, I don't think anyone should reply to you.
Why?
So they could be called a liar.

And in YOUR case, it doesn't even matter if you're telling the truth...
no one listens to you anyway.

On any other forum, you'd be banned for life as a troll, for goading, for being uncivil and for other reasons that break most TOS. I don't know why you're kept here.

to make you look even better?

 

[Taken]

WRONG as usual.

I don’t expose anybody for lying unless they LIED.
Those who simply “disagree” are entitled to their opinions and I don’t have a problem with them. Just ask the true Christian examples of Protestantism here like @ByGrace and a few others.

As for me personally– you’re missing the point again.
I couldn’t care less if you or any of your anti-Catholic minions like me. I’m NOT here for you. I’m here to expose you. Bratty children don’t like getting caught. The angrier YOU get – the more MY point is made . . .

I’m here to make sure that the truth gets out to those reading the posts so that they aren’t seduced by your lies.

Expected nothing less then to hear you toot your own horn agggggain. LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

No – lies are the opposite of truth.

They are what cowardly and uneducated people use because they can’t argue against the truth using truth itself – so they HAVE to lie.

This describes YOU to a tee . . .

Poor thing, Failed to comprehend "DOES NOT" is a negative and opposition To the ......TRUTH!

LOL...no matter, just another one of your funny claims.

Glory To God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

to make you look even better?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Who said the thief was baptized with water?



Jesus knew, and Scripture tells us, the thief believed in Jesus.



In brief;
Paradise IS, where the Tree of Life IS.
The Tree of Life, has changed locations;
The Tree of Life, IS where Saved souls are.



Faith ONLY comes from God.
Measures of FAITH are given a man, BECAUSE the man BELIEVES.

At any time a man can STOP Believing, and that man would ALSO STOP Receiving Faith from God.

The gift of FAITH-FULLNESS, is a Permanent GIFT from God....GIVEN a man at such TIME the man "chooses" to GIVE his LIFE to the Lord...The man IS "THEN" Baptized with the "HOLY SPIRIT", "once and forever".

It has "Nothing" to do with water Baptism.



Speculating who was or was not WATER Baptized, is not relevant.





There was no such thing as a JEW, in the Garden of Eden.
Ancient early OT men were SAVED, by Belief in God and the Word of God....BEFORE they were TOLD the NAME of the Word of God...
IS Jesus.

And BTW - there are JEWS who have accepted the Word of God's NAME, IS Jesus, and Jesus IS the Promised Christ Messiah.
They do not call themselves Christians.
They call themselves MESSIANIC JEWS.

One point in the Bible points out that there was a Vineyard who's was let out to some people and the owner went away and that a mob took over, well the owner sent some to see that mob and they always killed them who were sent and then the owner sent his only Son and they killed him as well, they were murders from the beginning he said of them and they were not people of God but of their Father the Devil. I wonder who that Son was ? the People have not changed there spots who they serve. so why look to such as anything but what they truly are cursed Satanist who lead the whole world astray. nothing that they do is of the Holy Spirit but the workings of cursed mad men. they come across as looking like great shinning ones to all who are not Born Again because true Israel (Servants of God) who are Born Again can see a Kike for what it is, a white washed tomb full of dead mans bones. once you put your hand on such a shining one, Click you know it's a filthy parasite Kike that has no love of God but of themselves and there stupid worldly driven ego, that only destroys people like a plague of Vampires sucking the life blood out of all and we have seen this with the fall of Christianity being undermined by such Satanist leading it astray. Christianity is irreverent in the world today but Jews are Idolised now. (how Satanic)

There are a lot of "they's" in your comment, with no Scriptural reference.

The Lord Saves "INDIVIDUALS", regardless if "THEY" are called by the Label "Jew or Gentile".
THe....When, Why, How the Lord "saves" an "INDIVIDUAL", is revealed in Scriptural teaching.
Some Jews ARE and WILL Be Saved;
Some Won't.
Some Gentiles ARE and WILL Be Saved;
Some Won't.



Fear is what men have of the unknown.
Desire is what men gain when they receive Knowledge.

Remember; It was Gods desire to Give Earthly men A HOLY EXAMPLE.

Jesus IS mankinds HOLY EXAMPLE.

Earthly men are naturally Born in Sin.

No Earthly man can ONLY be born of WATER, naturally, and enter The Lords Kingdom.

An Earthly man MUST have BECOME born of an Earthly mans "SEED" (naturally with Water coming forth out of a woman's Womb)

And to Enter INTO the Lords Kingdom;

that Earthly man MUST first DIE, and THEN Become BORN Spiritually (supernaturally WITH Gods "SEED") BEFORE, that man CAN RECEIVE the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT.

The Baptism "OF" the Holy Spirit ...
"IS" the Sprit of God DWELLING "WITHIN" the man.

ANY MAN, WHO is ACCEPTING of Jesus' WAY;
Which IS a man ACCEPTING DEATH on the Cross "WITH" Jesus, is FULFILLING his "required DEATH", to then RECEIVE the SEED of GOD, and become BORN AGAIN, and thus, is GIVEN the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit".

^ THAT MAN is NOW a member of Christ's Church, and the BRIDE PREPARED, for when the GROOM (Christ Jesus) descends from Heaven, TO THE CLOUDS, and CALLS UP TO HIM...(His Church, His Bride)...to Celebrate the Marriage Supper; (in the clouds)
The Groom, His Bride and the Attending guests (which the guests are invited "saints" and "witnesses" of the Celebration).

Then shall the 7 years of Tribulation Begin.

There shall REMAIN ON EARTH, MANY others,
Some who Believe in God....but not Jesus.
Some who Believe in Jesus...but not God.
Some who Believe in Neither.

During the 7 years, Final decisions of the Earth's inhabitants are being effected. Some shall become Saved, some shall dally, and die in their Sins.

Glory to God,
Taken[/QUOTE]
Faith does not have to come from God, that can come from anything. anyone can have faith without God, if one does not know God they still have faith in the post office or what ever.

Messianic Jews do not know Jesus Christ at all, they have another Jesus.

Jesus is not mankinds holy example, he is the Son of God and our Lord and Saviour.

Any man who is accepting of Jesus way ? well that's not what not truly what Born Again is, that is a worldly opinion of such only.

Christians have been around for 2000 years you know with full faith, you do not need the so called rapture nonsense, all was given 2000 years ago, people who rant about the rapture are of Satan because they do not know Jesus is the Christ, so they are rejecting Jesus Christ for another Jesus who will be Satan.
There are no Jews in Christianity, that was done away with remember there is nether Jew of Gentile in Christianity there is only they who believe or don't, you can not serve two masters you know.
Jews are not for today not for even 2000 years in fact, what's the point of them, such is just pathetic not to mention moronic, yes we have the Blueprint of the OT but true worthy Christians know all this.
What new age so called Christians are trying to do is condemn all Christians up to some pathetic satanic stupid rapture. such people do not have faith is Jesus Christ at all because they are under the power of Satan and are peddling a mans works religion. Socialism Marxism you name it the fools are into it all.

 

[Taken]

God told Adam and Eve if they eat the fruit they would die (Genesis 2:16-17)

And the Serpent said they would not die.

Did they die when they ate the fruit?

No, they didn’t.

And you just said...

No, they didn't.

But YES, they did.

Before they ate of the fruit, THEY were WITH God and God WITH THEM....BODY and SOUL.

After they ate of the fruit, THEY were BOTH, Separated FROM GOD.

A Separation from God IS DEATH.
A Spiritual Death, which THEY had not UNDERSTOOD.

After 6,000 years babes are born, and have the opportunity to grow and learn, that that which is NOT WITH GOD, "IS DEAD TO GOD".

That which BECOMES WITH GOD, is SAVED unto God.

Scripture makes it clear they brought sin into the world.

Yes they did. They walked about the Earth IN their BODIES OF SIN, that SINNED AGAINST GOD, and of their CORRUPT SEED would populate the earth WITH CORUPT Bodies of SIN, from corrupt Seeds of men, naturally born AGAINST GOD, all subject to physical death, and all DEAD TO God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Expected nothing less then to hear you toot your own horn agggggain. LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

It's not about me - it's about YOU and everybody else here who lies.

I'm just the one who exposes your fraudulence.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Poor thing, Failed to comprehend "DOES NOT" is a negative and opposition To the ......TRUTH!

LOL...no matter, just another one of your funny claims.

Glory To God,
Taken

Like I said - Lies are what cowardly and uneducated people like YOU employ because you can’t argue against the truth using truth itself.
For you, it' a necessary evil . . .

 

[Taken]

Faith does not have to come from God, that can come from anything. anyone can have faith without God, if one does not know God they still have faith in the post office or what ever.

I didn't think it was necessary, to be in a discussion ABOUT GOD and SCRIPTURE, to identify SPIRITUAL FAITH from a persons belief their mail will be delivered to them.

Messianic Jews do not know Jesus Christ at all, they have another Jesus.

Nonsense.

Jesus is not mankinds holy example,

Disagree.

1 Pet 2: [21] For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Any man who is accepting of Jesus way ? well that's not what not truly what Born Again is, that is a worldly opinion of such only.

Jesus IS THE "WAY".
Follow Him. He is the EXAMPLE for men to SEE. Do what He DID....and HIS WAY, will reap one many Gifts....one such Gift IS the man SHALL receive the SEED of God, which specifically is the Gift that Birth a mans "BORN AGAIN SPIRIT".

Christians have been around for 2000 years you know with full faith,

So what? Did God give you Authority to dictate HOW MANY YEARS and HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE BORN and SAVED THROUGH Christ Jesus....BEFORE
God was Satisfied with the NUMBER of MEMBERS IN Christs Church?

you do not need the so called rapture nonsense,

Well, ya I do, since the promise of my Glorified Body can not come into fruition, until the Lord Calls His Church Up to Him.

all was given 2000 years ago,

The KNOWLEDGE was given...Glorification of the BODIES in Christs Church, has not YET come to pass.

people who rant about the rapture are of Satan

LOL, really? And what Scripture taught you, Satan has a Church, and Satan is in Heaven, and Satan is going to call his "non-established church" up to him, and glorify the Bodies of his "non-established church"?

because they do not know Jesus is the Christ,

Apparently you are UNKNOWING, those who ARE Christ's Church, know Jesus.

If you do not know that...or know Jesus the Christ IS the WAY and EXAMPLE to follow and do as He did....perhaps it is you who follows after "another jesus".

so they are rejecting Jesus Christ for another Jesus who will be Satan.

It appears you are UNAWARE men were instructed to FOLLOW AFTER JESUS the CHRIST....

If you are NOT familiar what WHAT HE TAUGHT and DID....maybe you should be wondering WHO you are following after, as YOUR EXAMPLE.

There are no Jews in Christianity,

So, who said there was?

Do you think people who call themselves "Christians" have a patent on Jesus Christ?

that was done away with remember there is nether Jew of Gentile in Christianity there is only they who believe or don't, you can not serve two masters you know.

"Jew or Gentile", has nothing to do with the term "Christianity"....it is speaking of Circumcision.

There is NO Jew or Gentile, under Gods Circumcision of the Heart.

Jews are not for today not for even 2000 years in fact, what's the point of them, such is just pathetic not to mention moronic, yes we have the Blueprint of the OT but true worthy Christians know all this.

It is big of you to LUMP all Jews "together"...and ALL "Christians" together...

The terms, Jew, Gentile or Christian are relevant.
God IS SAVING, (souls) and QUICKENING (spirits), of INDIVIDUALS ALL DAY LONG.

Once the INDIVIDUAL is saved and born again.....hello...the terms "Jew / Gentile / Christian" are irrelevant.

The Lord is not SAVING and QUICKENING men because of whatever "nametag" they wear or boast of wearing....it's IRRELEVANT!

What new age so called Christians are trying to do is condemn all Christians up to some pathetic satanic stupid rapture.

It is not some so called "new age" revelation.

Scripture was taught and written 2,000 years ago, for those IN CHRIST to be "caught up", to the Lord.

1 Thes 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air....

In English, the term is "caught up".
In English, from the French term, is "Rapture"
In English, from the Greek term, is "Harpazo"

Doesn't really matter to me which "term" a person chooses to USE, since I already know, they all mean the same thing.

such people do not have faith is Jesus Christ at all because they are under the power of Satan and are peddling a mans works religion. Socialism Marxism you name it the fools are into it all.

Like this example...? Lumping groups together....when it is Individuals the Lord saves and quickens.

Jews are not for today not for even 2000 years in fact, what's the point of them, such is just pathetic not to mention moronic, yes we have the Blueprint of the OT but true worthy Christians know all this.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

It's not about me - it's about YOU and everybody else here who lies.

LOL - another fine example of you supporting your claim of "not calling people liars"....

I'm just the one who exposes your fraudulence.

What you expose is Catholic teaching and tactics.

What you fail to comprehend, is your teaching and tactics, is simply making people thankful they were not raised in the Catholic church.

So, you can be proud of yourself, for exposing the Catholic teachings, and making others "thankful".

Glory to God,
Taken