Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

[101G]

Am I going to believe Gods own word?
Already do.

that's good to hear.

Pay attention to what human men say...
God this person, God that person, AND what follows is a all of a sudden....
God IS a "human" person....and the math equations...100% human...and "all of a sudden God "HAS" a human nature".

God can appear, in or speak from a burning bush, or a pillar of fire, but do that make him thoses things, or the pronoun noun "him" or the used of "I". or even "he"

"I" is the nominative singular pronoun, used by a speaker in referring to himself or herself.

"Himself", and used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to a male person or animal previously mentioned as the subject of the clause.

"Myself", used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself as the object of a verb or preposition when he or she is the subject of the clause.

and God use the terms "I" and "myself" in his identification of himself as a Spirit. don't argure with me, read the scriptures.

I understand God cannot be described .... "Fully" with our limited definitions, but they do a good job, if not, God would give us additional vocabulary.

now, on your last point, just for example, if I told you to say to BG "look up" (I'm sure BG would not mind me using here name). when you told here are those my WORDS or yours?. no matter you spoke them, they are my WORDS. it make no difference if you spray painted them on a wall, they are still my WORDS.

PICJAG

 

[101G]

The Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father in that He is another of the same kind (and this language doesn't really cut it: though the following language does)

first thanks for the reply.

the language do cut it, "another of the same kind" and here's why, the TERM G 243 Allos. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort

let's look at this. a "numerical difference" is "another". also the definition also states, "the same SORT". what do "sort" means? according to dictionary.com,
1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature: 2. character, quality, or nature:

do we have scripture that describe just what these definition states? yes, lets see.
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

now to be "EQUAL" with God and be "DISTINCT" is to the same NATURE, but be in ANOTHER Form. SAME NATURE, but in ANOTHER FORM, he "took on flesh", scripture,
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross".

BINGO, Oop's there it is........ right in the scriptures.

PICJAG.

 

[Taken]

I beg to differ:

Okay. Perhaps you could expound on your reasoning and explain....

Rom 1:3, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made

"Made".... how?

of the seed of David according to the flesh;

According to the Flesh....how?

Isa 45:11, Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

Whom do you say is the Holy One of Israel?

And whom do you say is the maker of whom and how?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

God can appear, in or speak from a burning bush, or a pillar of fire, but do that make him thoses things...

Obviously you missed the point...
That "SOME" men claim Jesus is God, and became a Human....I am not of the belief God became a Human.

now, on your last point,

My Point...
I said, God is the Author. Men write scripture.

you said... you disagree.

Then you gave your basis for disagreeing.

"man cannot lift a finger if it was not for God, supportive scripture,"

Men write scripture is a FACT.

Are you aware that the AUTHOR is the source of the Written words?

Your comment...was unnecessary, MOOT.
It is already well known....the Author IS the source of the written word!

"man cannot lift a finger if it was not for God, supportive scripture,"

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

Perhaps according to your definition of Christianity, as I certainly don't follow the Christianity defined by many people by they way they practice it. By definition I don't mean 'dictionary wise' but 'action wise' according to the example Jesus set when he walked on planet Earth about 2,000 years ago.

This is true, but it side step the issue of the bible's presentation of God. If we select a few passages only, we are more like Islam and Judaism in depicting God. If we take all of it, we are trinitarian as the church has been for millennia.

 

[Dave L]

Why do you avoid revealing...Scriptural references to your three points...
(Son is not...
(Father is not...
(Holy Spirit is not...

?

Glory to God,
Taken

How does Jesus' baptism not reveal this?

 

[Dave L]

So, three Gods/Lords; or three Persons called God/Lord...am I correct in saying this is your assessment?

Just read the scripture I provided and ask if you are understanding it correctly.

 

[Dave L]

Jhn 4:23, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Eph 4:4, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;


Jhn 7:39, (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


Col 1:27, To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

1Jo 5:12, He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

This is fine, but you still cheat yourself out of worshiping God as defined by the rest of the scriptures. You are more like Islam and Judaism than you are the Christians who are the only religion to worship God in trinity.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

Obviously you missed the point...
That "SOME" men claim Jesus is God, and became a Human....I am not of the belief God became a Human.

nope, I missed NOTHING. I suggest you re-read my posts.
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross".

once more the hypostatic union doctrine is false.

Men write scripture is a FACT.

Are you aware that the AUTHOR is the source of the Written words?

Your comment...was unnecessary, MOOT.
It is already well known....the Author IS the source of the written word!

"the Author IS the source of the written word!", (smile), how hard must people tarry and go to come to the same conclusion.

PICJAG.

 

[Taken]

How does Jesus' baptism not reveal this?

Why do you avoid revealing...Scriptural references to your three points...
(Son is not...
(Father is not...
(Holy Spirit is not...

?

 

[Dave L]

Why do you avoid revealing...Scriptural references to your three points...
(Son is not...
(Father is not...
(Holy Spirit is not...

?

“Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I: And now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” (Isaiah 48:16) (KJV 1900)

 

[Taken]

how hard must people tarry and go to come to the same conclusion.
PICJAG.

Glad you finally stopped disagreeing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[101G]

To all the trinity believers.
We have answered your questions concering trinity doctrine. and has eliminated your core hold out question trying to prove your beliefs.

Genesis 1:26 has been answered, the Baptism of the Lord Jesus as to three person present has been corrected. the "Greater than I", has been answered, the John 17:3 been reproved, and the 1John 5: has been rebuked. all these by scriptures.

well it's time to answer some of the Diversified Oneness question that has never been answered, only side steped.

The John 1:3 and the Isaiah 44:22 reconcile question question. only one poster answered TRUTHFULLY, and honestly. we might not understand each other doctrine fully, but to that person I honor, and will listen to because that person told the truth. for the TRUTH will make you free. Christians are free men, (male and female), for those who are still carnal.

but we see many christian still bound, and say they believe the bible, but yet, not obey it. not putting anyone down, for as the apostle Paul wrote,
1 Timothy 1:12 "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

1 Timothy 1:13 "Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief".

the time for ignorance is over, we all need to put the baby bottle down, and throw away our security blanket of false doctrine, and stand on our two feet and acknowledge God in Spirit and in TRUTH.

Now, we have answered every trinity question thrown my way, if any believe that we missed or fail to answer any of your question concering the Godhead, put them on the table now.

I'm asking that the same be done unto me, just answer our question, which is fair. if you don't know, that's ok, a don't know is better than a lie.

so if anyone else can reconcile The John 1:3 and the Isaiah 44:22, or try at the ,
Hebrews 1:10 reconcile with Zechariah 12:1.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Glad you finally stopped disagreeing.

Glory to God,
Taken

(smile), and you too.

PICJAG.

 

[Taken]

(5) The Father is not the Son.
(6) The Son is the not the Holy Spirit.
(7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father.

Still waiting for you to show in Scripture what you have explicitly said.

Taken

 

[Taken]

To all the trinity believers.
We have answered your questions concering trinity doctrine.
...the time for ignorance is over...

Ya well, discussing the TRINITY, is an ENDLESS discussion.....WHEN the people discussing....ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE of WHAT THE TRINITY "MEANS".

Could you state your own belief ....

Trinity - what does that word mean to you?

According to how you define Trinity....do you believe God is described as a ... Trinity?

NOW CONSIDER how/what AN "OTHER" person says the "TRINITY" means to them....

Like Dave L., has expressed his view of the TRINITY...saying...
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God
.......AND.....
The Father IS NOT the Son
The Son IS NOT the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is NOT the Father.

THAT VIEW ^^ is widely held by MOST Catholics .... and SOME Protestants.

So what is YOUR VIEW ?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

Still waiting for you to show in Scripture what you have explicitly said.

Taken

How can there be a Father without the Son? If as you say the Father is the Son, then there is no Father. And this is evidence of someone possessed by the spirit of Antichrist. “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22) (KJV 1900)

The voice from heaven saying "this is my beloved Son", during Jesus' baptism proves both cannot be the same.

“When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, ‘Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you’” (v. 1).

- John 17:1–5

“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.” (1 John 4:14) (KJV 1900)

 

[101G]

Ya well, discussing the TRINITY, is an ENDLESS discussion.....WHEN the people discussing....ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE of WHAT THE TRINITY "MEANS".

Could you state your own belief ....

First thanks for the reply, second, it's not an endless discussion, it's only endless to those who believe in it.Third, I have no belife of my own, but that which is of the Lord Jesus who is God.

and that belief is that God, who is the ONLY person in the Godhead, who is JESUS, "diversified" his OWNself in flesh, with blood. other words, God came in the LIKENESS of man, without Father, and without Mother, but "SHARED" himself in flesh.

PICJAG

 

[Dave L]

First thanks for the reply, second, it's not an endless discussion, it's only endless to those who believe in it.Third, I have no belife of my own, but that which is of the Lord Jesus who is God.

and that belief is that God, who is the ONLY person in the Godhead, who is JESUS, "diversified" his OWNself in flesh, with blood. other words, God came in the LIKENESS of man, without Father, and without Mother, but "SHARED" himself in flesh.

PICJAG

Does the "one person" talk and pray to himself? Obviously not. “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.” (Matthew 6:9) (KJV 1900)

Who is speaking if the Son who is present on earth is the Father?

 

[101G]

Does the "one person" talk and pray to himself? Obviously not. “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.” (Matthew 6:9) (KJV 1900)

Who is speaking if the Son who is present on earth is the Father?

don't you talk to your self? ...

but you have no idead as to what Diverity is all about. JUST LIKE IN gEN 1:26 WAS not God speaking to himself that was to come in flesh. (smile), dave I have to laugh, your wisdom is from below .....

now, what about that John 1:3 and ISAIAH 44:24 reconcicle?

PICJAG.