Eve in the Garden

[amadeus]

What is the main point simply stated? And how am I missing it by studying the bible?

Studying the Bible qualifies for the "eating His flesh" part but the second part of "drinking His blood" is equally important to bring those words consumed to Life so that they will be Word when they are needed to work in and through us.

 

[101G]

First I have to confess I have only read the OP ...I will read the other posts after I have posted here.

Personally...I believe Eve would have..at some point.
I have often wondered just how long they both lived in the Garden before eating...it may have been years!!
"For me" the bible patterns are there for a reason...I do not believe Adam would have eaten first.
I believe, for love sake...after she had eaten, he chose to eat. He chose her ..he wanted to be 'with her'. Just as the Last Adam chose to lay down His life for His Bride.

Yes, I believe it was destiny. God's divine Plan.
If it were not so...then God wouldn't have set the tree there with the Serpent in it.
Some people, because of of childhood Sunday School say she bit into an apple I personally believe she took into herself the seed of Doubt. "Hath God said ..." She took it and believed it, and passed it on the Adam..

Just my own thoughts. ♥︎

GINOLJC, to all.

Good thoughts BG. true, it was not apple she bit into, but that "Doubt", it lead to "desire". "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise". God wanted us to have "feeling" and or "emotions" and the ability to understand and control these feeling and emotions. these feeling or emotions produce lasting relationships with others. so your theory, "it was destiny. God's divine Plan". we agree with. because relationships builds families, and families builds nations, then one have a world.

with this state of mind to react to, and with others builds relationships. and in these relationships, the root is both Good and Evil residing in these relationships, or fellowships . both have limits, which must be attained in order to satisfy the proper status in these relationship with one another. Evil serves a purpose just as Good.
understand me, evil itself is not "SIN". let's say this again, Evil is not sin. but unchecked or not resisted it can lead to "SIN". so Good and evil are required in relationships, or fellowships to either build strong or weak bonds. and the heart of these strong or weak relationships, or fellowships is informatation, or the lack there of. we can "eat" ... food/informatation, either to gain or loose these relationships, or fellowships.

that's enough to work on. but Good insight BG.

PICJAG

 

[Helen]

<snip> Evil serves a purpose just as Good.
understand me, evil itself is not "SIN". let's say this again, Evil is not sin. but unchecked or not resisted it can lead to "SIN". so Good and evil are required in relationships, or fellowships to either build strong or weak bonds. and the heart of these strong or weak relationships, or fellowships is information, or the lack there of. we can "eat" ... food/information, either to gain or loose these relationships, or fellowships.

Amen.

That old tree of the Knowledge of Good AND Evil trips so many people up even today.

"some" christians have no idea that in the belief system they are 'eating' of the Good side, or that tree!!!
People fall into 'right and wrong' of an issue...and proud of their 'rightness'...yet what God wants is LIFE...not carnal minded christians doing and believing only in what is "right'.
The right thing done for the wrong reason or wrong 'heart' is not necessarily fruitful or LIFE giving!

Good talking with you...

 

[101G]

Amen.

That old tree of the Knowledge of Good AND Evil trips so many people up even today.

"some" christians have no idea that in the belief system they are 'eating' of the Good side, or that tree!!!
People fall into 'right and wrong' of an issue...and proud of their 'rightness'...yet what God wants is LIFE...not carnal minded christians doing and believing only in what is "right'.
The right thing done for the wrong reason or wrong 'heart' is not necessarily fruitful or LIFE giving!

Good talking with you...

to Teacher BG. U go girl.

PICJAG.

 

[amadeus]

Because of studying the bible, I know people who hear voices in their heads and think it is God are crazy.

When and if this happens it is because they are not recognizing His voice, but rather the voice of strangers. His sheep know His voice and follow Him.

 

[amadeus]

How is learning about God and doing what he says "leaning to your own understanding"? It's an excuse for not spending time in God's word and nothing more.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings [today's tongues?]: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.” (2 Timothy 2:15–16) (KJV 1900)

When we presume, [as opposed to knowing], that our own thinking is NOT our own understanding, we can get into delusion. This is why it is important to daily return to the lowest room and let God elevate us and not ourselves. The vain and profane babblings are those thing coming from our own thinking, even if we think it is God's thinking.

Study by any man again without the Holy Spirit leading and interpreting is his own thinking and is as per Solomon's writing, a weariness of the flesh [Ecc 12:12]. You are my friend, Dave L, can be just a guilty of this and those who do speak with other or unknown tongues.

Immersing yourself in the Bible without being assured of God's leading is the problem area. That you get some things right means that sometimes you are in the Spirit, but a mixture is equal to confusion and won't result in truth. Only a love of Truth without any preconceived notions of what it is or is not will result in Life without end.

 

[mjrhealth]

Because of studying the bible, I know people who hear voices in their heads and think it is God are crazy.

YEs those people who dont hear from God must be a little crazy, you have that fact straight.

 

[Dave L]

When we presume, [as opposed to knowing], that our own thinking is NOT our own understanding, we can get into delusion. This is why it is important to daily return to the lowest room and let God elevate us and not ourselves. The vain and profane babblings are those thing coming from our own thinking, even if we think it is God's thinking.

Study by any man again without the Holy Spirit leading and interpreting is his own thinking and is as per Solomon's writing, a weariness of the flesh [Ecc 12:12]. You are my friend, Dave L, can be just a guilty of this and those who do speak with other or unknown tongues.

Immersing yourself in the Bible without being assured of God's leading is the problem area. That you get some things right means that sometimes you are in the Spirit, but a mixture is equal to confusion and won't result in truth. Only a love of Truth without any preconceived notions of what it is or is not will result in Life without end.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings [today's tongues?]: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.” (2 Timothy 2:15–16) (KJV 1900)

 

[bbyrd009]

I have no idea what you are talking about Byrd, but I surely know God is omniscient.

me too, but I suspect we have the def wrong there, too. I am struck there by how Mom knows the end from the beginning, too, how does she do that do you think

Now I believe like only the Father knows the day or hour, not even the Son, but the Triune God is all knowing. And God the Father promised the enemy is crushed in the end, so does know the outcome.

yup

 

[101G]

When we presume, [as opposed to knowing], that our own thinking is NOT our own understanding, we can get into delusion. This is why it is important to daily return to the lowest room and let God elevate us and not ourselves. The vain and profane babblings are those thing coming from our own thinking, even if we think it is God's thinking.

Study by any man again without the Holy Spirit leading and interpreting is his own thinking and is as per Solomon's writing, a weariness of the flesh [Ecc 12:12]. You are my friend, Dave L, can be just a guilty of this and those who do speak with other or unknown tongues.

Immersing yourself in the Bible without being assured of God's leading is the problem area. That you get some things right means that sometimes you are in the Spirit, but a mixture is equal to confusion and won't result in truth. Only a love of Truth without any preconceived notions of what it is or is not will result in Life without end.

GINOLJC, to all.

you're 100% correct. studying without the Holy Spirit is Ignorance at it's best. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".

this verse need careful attention. it says "study" to show thyself approved unto God. what it didn't say is "study" to learn anything. because one cannot study the bible and learn God. one study the bible to show, to show, to show, God you're interested in his word and he approve you for "REVELATION". for if any man lack "WISDOM" let him ask of God without wavering, but ask in Faith, (Faith) is the approval, for without Faith one cannot please God. the things of God must be revealed to you, NOT studied to be "LEARNED" by you. Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death".

the Holy Spirit must teach us. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you".

the Holy Spirit gave that revelation unto me years ago on 2 Timothy 2:15. we study, I study so that God can TEACH us, and me. without him we take the path/or the way of death as Proverbs 14:12 states.

PICJAG

 

[101G]

As long as something doesn't seem to be according to the scriptures with me, like what you have said. I will not change what I believe until someone has convinced me according to the scriptures that I'm wrong. You haven't done that with me. You have the right to believe what you want when it comes to the scriptures, but you can honestly be convinced that what you say and believe is in agreement with the scriptures, that doesn't necessarily make it true. We all should be doing research constantly into the scriptures, no matter what any of us believe, that's a given.

first thanks for the reply, what we said was scriptures, and yet you still not believe the scriptures. if you're waiting for someone to convince you, that you're wrong, you will be waiting a long time. it's not the responsibility of someone else to convince you of anything, but only try to persuade you by the scriptures the "TRUTH. when someone is in the convincing work, that's God, because when one get to that point, "until God himself tell, or show me I will not believe. see that's not my work... us, 2 Corinthians 5:11 "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences". but that's up to "Y O U".

so when I hear someone make that statement, "I will not change what I believe until someone has convinced me according to the scriptures that I'm wrong". no one but God can do that. Titus 3:10 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Titus 3:11 "Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself".

PICJAG.

 

[logabe]

We have passages that pretty plainly imo express that God did in fact not know the outcome, and recognized that His plans needed to be tweaked. Of course this does not comport with our perspectives on omniscience and perfection(ism), etc, and also imo speaks to our pov @ "free will," which many will go to great lengths to assure you that you don't have. Imo go find what the Bible says in the mater and form your own opinion, there are plenty of vv on the subject.

Of course I agree that God did not create us to perish as you say, but then we might be defining that term diff right now. Fwiw I would beware of self-professed Oracles in here ok, I say "self-professed" but of course they would not admit to this, but rather exhibit this, if you get me.

Anyway, it is easy to maybe...to get fixated on the "dross" part of the refining process, so to speak, and imo this is another function of denying Free Will; bc behold, you are called to make a choice, in real time, even as we speak? And while surely a chrismatic enough person might sway you with some declaration of Absolute Truth, and insisting that you must abide by it, but again that is a choice that is up to you.

God knows all things.
Until we understand that, we will believe that God created people to perish. If we understand God's all powerful sovereignty and man's limited authority, then we can be optimistic about the future. We are saved by hope, (Romans 8:24) but if we believe that the devil is going to get the majority of the creation, how in the world can we have hope and be optimistic. If we believe God gave his sovereignty to man in the form of free will we are most miserable, because we know that if it is left up to us we will be defeated. But thanks be to God for being such a wise God to devise a marvelous plan where He would be sure to win. (1st Corinthians 15:27-28), (2nd Corinthians 5:19), (Colossians 1:20)

 

[101G]

some food for thought.

Just changing the OP around a bit, why didn't Adam eat of the forbidden tree, before Eve was manifested. for the command was given to the man. Genesis 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him".

was it the "other", here the woman, that turned the tide, so to say, for the eating of the forbidden tree.

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

God knows all things.
Until we understand that, we will believe that God created people to perish. If we understand God's all powerful sovereignty and man's limited authority, then we can be optimistic about the future. We are saved by hope, (Romans 8:24) but if we believe that the devil is going to get the majority of the creation, how in the world can we have hope and be optimistic. If we believe God gave his sovereignty to man in the form of free will we are most miserable, because we know that if it is left up to us we will be defeated. But thanks be to God for being such a wise God to devise a marvelous plan where He would be sure to win. (1st Corinthians 15:27-28), (2nd Corinthians 5:19), (Colossians 1:20)

Narrow is the way, and few there are who find it

and mom knows everything too I guess, who surprises their mom here, anyone?

 

[bbyrd009]

some food for thought.

Just changing the OP around a bit, why didn't Adam eat of the forbidden tree, before Eve was manifested. for the command was given to the man. Genesis 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him".

was it the "other" here, the woman...

ya, guess no one wants to take "the two will become one" literally, do they

 

[101G]

Narrow is the way, and few there are who find it

True, so a way is provided, if we take it.
Romans 8:20 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope".

subject to it and not made it.

so a way is provided, if we take it.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

ya, guess no one wants to take "the two will become one" literally, do they

the two was one until God brought forth the woman. for the woman was in the man when God created him. for she was TAKEN or separate out from the man physically.

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

pretty sure that would be the one will become two, but ty
maybe up really is down, huh?
or maybe we need to find someone who knows
lol
someone else I mean.

"Put two opposing Oracles in a pit with each other, and let them fight it out to the death.
Then kill whoever emerges."
believe it or not this can be found in the Bible

 

[101G]

pretty sure that would be the one will become two, but ty
maybe up really is down, huh?

not TWO but one of the same.... manKIND.... Adam, which are both.

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

you sound awful sure, G, but ty anyway, I'm sure you mean well