As always you ignore the rest of Romans 11 .
You have had this explained to you with scripture on every forum you've been on where you've promoted this same Anti-semitic , false teaching of replacement theology- but can't be reasoned with, & can't recognize the error and do not rightly divide the word, ignore what contradicts the pet replacement theology beliefs. God's covenant with Israel stands FOREVER and it is for HIS chosen Jewish people. Stop replacing them with the "church" and LET GOD OPEN your EYES to what His scripture KEEPS TELLING YOU. God has not gone back on His promises to Israel & He never will.
Romans 11 : "25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that
a partial hardening has happened to Israel
until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”
27“THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.”
tzcho: directed to you and all those that until 100 years or so have increasing based their modern tribulation theories on this one scripture alone (Romans 11:25)..by misunderstanding it. I wonder if you have considered this interpretation that is not only logical it is also scriptural. It is not a replacement theory as it accounts for the rest of the legitimate Israelites, and does not replace them as you might with Khazarian Jews of today. Today's 'Jews' were never broken off the former Israel. They are not chosen of God, they are impostors.
Romans 11 speaks of the broken branches that represent unbelieving Israel under the Law, those that were circumcised. It also speaks of the other nations as wild olive branches being grafted into the natural olive tree. It also speaks of the other Jews/Judahites/Israelites that lost their identities and believed in Christ that were grafted back into the natural tree after the death of Christ.
So eventually, there are 3 types of branches in Israel (Christ) the root of Jesse, on the natural olive tree. Those that remained on the tree from the beginning, those that were broken off and many were again reattached in later generations as part of the nations, and the rest of the branches from all the nations that never had any attachment to natural Israel of the Law.
Now there is an important expression that is misunderstood. Many have used it to support their tribulation theories without a second thought of reconsidering its real meaning.
It is the one you have emphasized in your #87 Post.
(Rom 11:25) " Brothers, I would not have you ignorant of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part has befallen Israel,
until the full number of the Gentiles (nations) is made up. "
(Rom 11:26) " And so
all Israel shall be saved. Even as it is written: There shall come out of Zion the deliverer, and he shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. "
Now in Romans, Paul is especially speaking to his ‘new’ brothers, in Christ. Those that are mostly NOT of natural Israel as himself, of the blood-line, of physical circumcision, as he was also under the Law. These brothers were folks mostly of other tribes and nations and a few possibly of natural Israel (that were not physically circumcised) that long ago lost their identity, that were now considered of the other nations or the so-called ‘gentiles/heathens. This is important to realize.
In verse 26 Paul speaks of ‘all Israel.’ This expression speaks of all that came to God through their belief of the promise of a future Messiah, in Christ including all others, after Christ. It never meant all of the OT circumcised Israel shall be saved, just as it of course does not mean all nations shall be saved and be a part of ‘all Israel.’ This is also important to realize.
The expression of Romans 11:26.
As in the NEV translation: “until the full number of the Gentiles is made up”
As in the KJV translation: “until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
As in the MKJV translation: “until the fullness of the nations has comes in.”
As in the Textus Receptus Greek: “αχρις ου το πληρωμα των εθνων εισελθη”
This expression does not mean that all the people of nations,
excluding natural descendants of Israelites that are to be in Christ’s Israel must enter BEFORE or FIRST. Then the natural descendants of Israelites, those of blood-line natural Israel with lost identities should them begin to come into Israel. This is a ridiculous and corrupt meaning!
Yes, the expression does suggest a sequence of steps or an order of events. It is not TWO events, however. It means when the ONE single event of all Israel is complete, then ‘all’ destined to be in Israel including Paul’s traditional Israel mates of hardened hearts shall also have entered Israel by then, and at that time in the future.
ALL 3 types of branches are on the olive tree, in Christ, in the true Israel. No other branches are given an opportunity to be added to it after two of the three types of branches are complete that time.
So, until all Israel is complete (in Christ) not all descendants of natural or former Israel of Paul’s kin, destined to be saved, shall be in Christ’s Israel, the full body of Christ. They are all part of the nations/gentiles when they were converted - indistinguishable from other peoples.
Bless you,
APAK