Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

[CoreIssue]

Does that mean they also will be in their eternal bodies and no more mortality?

In the MK, no. All live humans on the earth are mortal.

All Saints in the new Jerusalem will have glorified eternal bodies.

Jerusalem in the nation of Israel will exist until the end of time.

In eternity there is no nation of Israel. All will live in the new Jerusalem on the new earth.

 

[Copperhead]

It means once again the KJV is misleading and a bad translation.
Joel 3:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
20 Judah will be inhabited forever
and Jerusalem through all generations.
21 Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?
No, I will not.”

As for having children by non-Jews, Mosaic law dealt with making them citizens of Israel.

Parts of the land Judah always have had a remnant. But not so with Jerusalem.

Remember Judah was a tribal land of Israel. All 12 tribes have their own land e xcept for Levi.

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Whoever did that map, they got Dan in the wrong place. It is common knowledge in Archeology that Dan was located in the Golan Heights region that borders Syria now.

 

[CoreIssue]

So the 12 tribes are either believers or they are disbarred and are now gentiles. Ok.... when did believing Israel reject Messiah and how is it, if they are redeemed, do they have to acknowledge that rejection before He will return?

Hosea 5:14-15 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
And like a young lion to the house of Judah.
I, even I, will tear them and go away;
I will take them away, and no one shall rescue.
15 I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”

Ephraim was the largest tribe of the north so Hosea and Isaiah would use Ephraim as a collective term for all the northern Kingdom. Likewise, Judah being the largest tribe in the southern kingdom, that kingdom was collectively known as Judah. So in verse 14, we see that the reference is all 12 tribes.

And that being the case, Yeshua says next that He will return to His place until they (all 12 tribes) acknowledge their offense. So He is not going to return and set foot on this planet until they do.

And Yeshua affirmed this in....

Matthew 23:37-39 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

So again, when did the redeemed reject Yeshua, and how could they be considered redeemed while in rejection of Yeshua? And that rejection of Yeshua would have had to happen before He ascended back to the Father, as it is the rejection that caused Him to return to the Father. And we know that the rejection has not ended because Yeshua has not returned.

Wow. To be a part of the body of Messiah, the bride of Messiah, the ekklesia of Messiah, and reject the Messiah before the ekklesia even started at Shavuot following His ascension. Anyone who wants to go down that rabbit trail of Alice in Wonderland really should consider serious professional counseling to untie those knots.

Saved or unsaved Jews remain Jews.

David L did not get this circumcision nonsense from the Bible.

 

[Copperhead]

In the MK, no. All live humans on the earth are mortal.

All Saints in the new Jerusalem will have glorified eternal bodies.

Jerusalem in the nation of Israel will exist until the end of time.

In eternity there is no nation of Israel. All will live in the new Jerusalem on the new earth.

Ok. I misread your meaning in your previous post. My bad.

 

[Copperhead]

Saved or unsaved Jews remain Jews.

David L did not get this circumcision nonsense from the Bible.

Agree. But he was making the point that the only real Israel is those who believe. And all the others of the Hebrews are not Israel because they don't believe. Those are now gentiles. So that I why I posted those passages. There indeed remains a segregated Israel that is still in unbelief. And until the collective group acknowledges that rejection and turns to Yeshua, He is not going to set foot on this earth.

This is where those that say Israel is not longer valid and the redeemed are now the true Israel get caught in quicksand. They fight tooth and nail to argue the assertion, but just those 5 verses I posted make that all look so nonsensical.

 

[CoreIssue]

Whoever did that map, they got Dan in the wrong place. It is common knowledge in Archeology that Dan was located in the Golan Heights region that borders Syria now.

I checked other maps. They all agree on where Dan is located.

 

[Copperhead]

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[VictoryinJesus]

Snatching someone out of a fire but staying in the same location is not the same as snatching them from the earth to heaven.

Both are snatched, but in different contexts.

Snatching them out of God’s wrath (hating even the garment spotted by the flesh)and into a new garment (not appointed to God’s wrath in Christ) is not ‘harpazo’?

 

[CoreIssue]

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I already saw it was a PNG and changed it to JPEG

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

So the 12 tribes are either believers or they are disbarred and are now gentiles. Ok.... when did believing Israel reject Messiah and how is it, if they are redeemed, do they have to acknowledge that rejection before He will return?

Hosea 5:14-15 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
And like a young lion to the house of Judah.
I, even I, will tear them and go away;
I will take them away, and no one shall rescue.
15 I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”

Ephraim was the largest tribe of the north so Hosea and Isaiah would use Ephraim as a collective term for all the northern Kingdom. Likewise, Judah being the largest tribe in the southern kingdom, that kingdom was collectively known as Judah. So in verse 14, we see that the reference is all 12 tribes.

And that being the case, Yeshua says next that He will return to His place until they (all 12 tribes) acknowledge their offense. So He is not going to return and set foot on this planet until they do.

And Yeshua affirmed this in....

Matthew 23:37-39 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

So again, when did the redeemed reject Yeshua, and how could they be considered redeemed while in rejection of Yeshua? And that rejection of Yeshua would have had to happen before He ascended back to the Father, as it is the rejection that caused Him to return to the Father. And we know that the rejection has not ended because Yeshua has not returned.

Wow. To be a part of the body of Messiah, the bride of Messiah, the ekklesia of Messiah, and reject the Messiah before the ekklesia even started at Shavuot following His ascension. Anyone who wants to go down that rabbit trail of Alice in Wonderland really should consider serious professional counseling to untie those knots.

Yes, I think you are right--first comes the acknowledgement. And then they will see Him and say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." The Church in its brokenness on what "she" sees coming on the earth, says, "Even so, come Lord Jesus." In the sorrow detailed in Zechariah 12, the nation of Israel will, through their tears, say, "Baruch haba beshem adonai."

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes, I think you are right--first comes the acknowledgement. And then they will see Him and say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." The Church in its brokenness on what "she" sees coming on the earth, says, "Even so, come Lord Jesus." In the sorrow detailed in Zechariah 12, the nation of Israel will, through their tears, say, "Baruch haba beshem adonai."

Not according to the Bible. It says they acknowledge and accept Christ when they see him at the second coming. Not before.

 

[n2thelight]

That is NOT what I said. The Jews will be only a part of Israel during the Millennial Kingdom! God will bring the rest of the tribes into the Land--He knows exactly who they are and where they are "scattered among the nations". Those who make it into the Millennial Kingdom will ALL be believers in Jesus Messiah whether they are Jew or Gentile.

All will make it to the millennium except for those ,ie satans angels who were already sentenced to die(the 2nd death)satans angels will die the 2nd Christ feet touch the earth.

At the start of the Lords Day,ie,the millennium those whom don't have any worries about the 2nd death will teach those whom do.Those who hadn't overcome are considered dead meaning even though they are now in their spiritual bodies they still stand a chance to die the 2nd death ,which is the death of the soul

Those people who were not overcomers before the return of Christ will have to prove themselves at the end of that Day,when satan is released for a short season.

 

[n2thelight]

What do you all rapturist think would had happened if the prophets and the diciples wanted to be raptured before they had to do what they were meant to do?

They died for that,and for you to say you want to escape IMO it's a slap in their face!!!

 

[n2thelight]

There are those who count themselves Christians but are not born from above, sorry but that should not be a difficult stretch or controversial. It's in scripture.
Matt 7:22 "21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…

Another subject,but do you know what it actually means to be born from above?

That aside what makes one truly saved,and saved from what?

 

[Copperhead]

What do you all rapturist think would had happened if the prophets and the diciples wanted to be raptured before they had to do what they were meant to do?

They died for that,and for you to say you want to escape IMO it's a slap in their face!!!

How do you know they didn't want to be raptured early? Paul himself said....

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

I kind of get the idea from that he would have preferred hopping that train out of here if it were his choice.

 

[n2thelight]

How do you know they didn't want to be raptured early? Paul himself said....

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

I kind of get the idea from that he would have preferred hopping that train out of here if it were his choice.

Point is ,they didn't!!And yes I understand we all don't want to ,but if we are all gone ,who gonna help them?

 

[Enoch111]

What do you all rapturist think would had happened if the prophets and the disciples wanted to be raptured before they had to do what they were meant to do?

The Rapture is not determined by people "wanting to be raptured". The Rapture is designed by God and Christ TO FINISH the supernatural work of salvation in all the children of God. To perfect and glorify the saints for eternity. Kindly study the matter in depth since there are many Scriptures related to this important truth.

 

[n2thelight]

The Rapture is not determined by people "wanting to be raptured". The Rapture is designed by God and Christ TO FINISH the supernatural work of salvation in all the children of God. To perfect and glorify the saints for eternity. Kindly study the matter in depth since there are many Scriptures related to this important truth.

Nothing is finished until Christ returns to this earth,and even then,that's just the first part.
Who are the children of God?

 

[Keraz]

Nothing is finished until Christ returns to this earth,and even then,that's just the first part.
Who are the children of God?

Actually, the finish comes at the end of the Millennium. 1 Corinthians 15:24

Kindly study the matter in depth since there are many Scriptures related to this important truth.

I have studied all the prophesies in depth, proved by the over 800 articles I have written on the Prophetic Word.
Nowhere does the Bible say that God will take His people to heaven. At the end; God Himself and therefore heaven too, will come to the earth for Eternity.

 

[n2thelight]

ctually, the finish comes at the end of the Millennium. 1 Corinthians 15:24

Exactly