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[farouk]

Not upset at all, I’m just running to my next job considering how amazing the Word of God. It’s written by some 40 different men over several thousand years all with different personalities(distinctive voices) yet there’s an underlying voice. Like a fingerprint. Sort of like no artist can replicate another when it comes to a painting.

The Word of God is so rich and absorbing; we should read it when we can.

 

[JellyJam]

Then good there is no problem. I’m sorry then for misunderstanding and assuming too early you were asking for help. For the sake of conversation you said God never helped you. See I could say the opposite. All I can speak from is what I’ve seen and you would have a hard time convincing me God is not real. In my twenties I spent some time in the psych-ward of the hospital. I’ve spent most of my life living with panic attacks, anxiety and crippling fear. So much so that I couldn’t function in life. I’m fifty now. Been through medicines (nerve pills, anti-depressant that never fully helped. Just think about it...we take anti-depressant and are still depressed.) Gone to seek professional help. A Christian counselor a couple of years ago asked me what if I could be anxiety-Free. I’d only gone to see a Christian counselor at my husband’s request. When she suggested I could be anxiety-Free I did not believe anything she said. Every visit she quoted “perfect love cast out fear” and in no way did I believe her. I thought she was the crazy one and had no idea how deep my anxiety was. For me, anxiety and fear would be for life. Eventually I stopped seeing her and it wasn’t until later I look back at how much I did not believe God was the answer. I had told the counselor I lived in a prison. She suggested I figure out who opens the door of the prison. Again inside I thought she was full of it. Not a thing she said registered. To my core it was hopeless and would always be hopeless. Not so anymore. In the past couple of years I’ve had more happen in my life than ever to be anxious or fearful over ...so tell me why the past couple of years in looking to Him for strength is also the most freedom I’ve ever experienced in my life? I’m functioning in ways I thought impossible. Over compulsive behaviors diminished dramatically. I can do and handle things I never could before. “Perfect love cast out fear. He who fears has not been made perfect in love.” There is no reason to live with anxiety, fear of what this world can do, or panic. He said we don’t have to do then why are we? The only time I ever experience those things creeping back in is when it becomes again what mankind can do by their own power when we are powerless without Him. You are welcome of course to say or believe whatever you want, but for me, going from being fully convinced (or deceived) into “there is absolutely no way” to tasting of the true freedom of God...Yeah, you would have a hard time convincing me there is no God. As I would have a hard time convincing you there is. Again, I can’t tell you why He didn’t help you(as you say). But that is not the testimony that I share but that He has helped.

I don't doubt belief can change a person, this is why you see certain results in all religions (Across the board) but then beliefs have a habit of causing unpredictable results, this could be due to what that person believes. If a belief about something or someone can not be verified, then that person falls victim to rationalising ideas as real. If you would think something is real without any evidence, what does that suggest?

 

[Willie T]

Oh I didn't notice this yesterday....lovely to see your face again...how are you doing Willie. How is the pain on 1-10 now?
We've missed you bro.

It's still about three times worse than the last similar operation. I can manage only about 15 minutes at the computer, then I have to call it quits.

 

[JellyJam]

I pretty much recall how our conversation ended last time. I think I said that those who have begun to walk in the Spirit can be pretty much guileless, assuming someone to be sincere and acting without guile, which at times might make them come across as pathetic to someone who is toying with them. (We don't really care how we look to others so much any more, its more important to us to give others a lot of good will and benefit of the doubt.)

But as I think I said then, we may be a bit guileless and not as crafty as men still belonging to the world, but we are not without discernment. We can see you are just bored and trying to mock us. And even then, we aren't mad at you. We just see that we are wasting our time with you, say a prayer for you, and then move on to something more fruitful.

I think what needs to happen is for everyone involved to let their guard down.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No one had their guard up with you. We all spoke to you believing you were being sincere. No one knew you were mocking and taunting. Just like last time.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It's still about three times worse than the last similar operation. I can manage only about 15 minutes at the computer, then I have to call it quits.

Aww, Willie, I hadn't heard anything about an operation. I'm sorry you're in pain. Not fun.

 

[Waiting on him]

It's still about three times worse than the last similar operation. I can manage only about 15 minutes at the computer, then I have to call it quits.

God bless.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I don't doubt belief can change a person, this is why you see certain results in all religions (Across the board) but then beliefs have a habit of causing unpredictable results, this could be due to what that person believes. If a belief about something or someone can not be verified, then that person falls victim to rationalising ideas as real. If you would think something is real without any evidence, what does that suggest?

narcissism is also a belief without evidence. So I do see what you are saying in how the power of belief can convince a person.

 

[JellyJam]

narcissism is also a belief without evidence. So I do see what you are saying in how the power of belief can convince a person.

Personally I think I'd like to know what I am, rather than believe what I am. People in this world expect you to believe many things, like what's good for you and what's wrong for you. They even make law's based on what they believe you should do or how you should think.

Do you think that is the right way to go?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

On a personal note I've only met a handful of Christian's who can actually handle dealing with topics that are hairy.

In all honesty you're the one dodging, so it appears you are the one who can't handle these topics.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You're very transparent once you've been uncovered and begin to attempt what you really want to do. (And imagine you even could!)

You think you are a great mind. I imagine you are not even 16 years of age. You could be a lot older but you come across as very young and full of yourself.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And so you know, I'm not attempting to be mean. And I'm not mad.

 

[Nancy]

Sounds like you need to keep on looking till you find something that will work, JJ.

Welcome back @Willie T ! I hope you are healing well!

 

[JellyJam]

In all honesty you're the one dodging, so it appears you are the one who can't handle these topics.

What topics? I'm referring to what you call sin, such as dealing with graphic images of women having sex with animals. I myself had a real problem with those images, and for years I prayed, and read my Bible, and talked to all manner of religious people about porn addiction looking for freedom from it.

I'm not upset about it now, it's in the past. But I only escaped that ghastly addiction through perseverance and hard work. I wasn't mystically healed by some invisible spirit I believed in, nothing about Jesus I believed in healed me.

 

[JellyJam]

You're very transparent once you've been uncovered and begin to attempt what you really want to do. (And imagine you even could!)

You think you are a great mind. I imagine you are not even 16 years of age. You could be a lot older but you come across as very young and full of yourself.

Well thankyou stunnedbygrace.

 

[JellyJam]

And so you know, I'm not attempting to be mean. And I'm not mad.

Is there something wrong with being mad? So long as you're mad for the right reason, I guess.

 

[Willie T]

Aww, Willie, I hadn't heard anything about an operation. I'm sorry you're in pain. Not fun.

It was the sixth operation on my knees.... and there is at least one more to go, maybe, two. But, on a brighter note, they tell me I may still have three or four more years to go before I am legally blind.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Is there something wrong with being mad? So long as you're mad for the right reason, I guess.

Well...yes, for me, it would not be right to have anger in my heart at you. That doesn't mean I never have anger in my heart. I just wanted you to know that isn't the case here and I'm not angry at you.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

What topics? I'm referring to what you call sin, such as dealing with graphic images of women having sex with animals. I myself had a real problem with those images, and for years I prayed, and read my Bible, and talked to all manner of religious people about porn addiction looking for freedom from it.

I'm not upset about it now, it's in the past. But I only escaped that ghastly addiction through perseverance and hard work. I wasn't mystically healed by some invisible spirit I believed in, nothing about Jesus I believed in healed me.

You're under the false notion that you can have true conversion faith in God by your will power to believe. That failed big time.

I figured sooner or later you'd get to the point, you've done this same stunt on other sites. I suppose this is your 'gospel' missions campaign and message.

 

[Nancy]

It was the sixth operation on my knees.... and there is at least one more to go, maybe, two. But, on a brighter note, they tell me I may still have three or four more years to go before I am legally blind.

Oh gosh, so sorry to hear! I understand surgeries, I've had 6 and am looking at possibly 2 more in the future...will go as long as I can before another one! I hope you will be able to get back to the gym.
Heal well and fast! ♥
I am sorry @JellyJam ...don't mean to hijack your thread ...haven't seen Willie in a bit!