1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

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the HS has never worked on me directly, but I think I can show a reasonable amount of biblical understanding.


Jn 14 was not spoken directly to you. You do not have miraculous remembrance and you know it.


Again, writing to brethren in 1st century that had the miraculous gifts of the HS. That is the anointing that they had. You don’t have it. Our anointing today comes through our study of the word.
Do you realize what you are telling everybody? Hey...you don’t have to read and study just wait on the Spirit to give you understanding. First, this is the reason for such poor bible knowledge. People have been told you can’t understand it. Also, this is why nobody knows what they are talking about when it comes to the Bible.


1 Cor 2 is soooo abused.

Like I said, what you're saying is so far off... from the actual written Scripture (like I showed), that what you're saying is truly pathetic. What you've been wrongly taught is a doctrine of devils, designed to stifle The Holy Spirit from working in you. All you have is belief on Christ but without power to do His work.

Rom 14:17
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
KJV

That joy, you do not have, if you believe those in Christ do not receive The Holy Spirit. You cut it off to yourself by your disbelief.




1 Cor 6:19-20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
KJV

1 Cor 12:3
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

1 Cor 12:4-11
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
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Like I said, what you're saying is so far off... from the actual written Scripture (like I showed), that what you're saying is truly pathetic. What you've been wrongly taught is a doctrine of devils, designed to stifle The Holy Spirit from working in you. All you have is belief on Christ but without power to do His work.

Rom 14:17
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
KJV

That joy, you do not have, if you believe those in Christ do not receive The Holy Spirit. You cut it off to yourself by your disbelief.




1 Cor 6:19-20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
KJV

1 Cor 12:3
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

1 Cor 12:4-11
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
KJV
These scriptures by themselves with no application mean nothing. Anybody can just post passage here and there as if they agree with their doctrine. Once again I’m pathetic and a devil. Haven’t heard that one before.
 

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These scriptures by themselves with no application mean nothing. Anybody can just post passage here and there as if they agree with their doctrine. Once again I’m pathetic and a devil. Haven’t heard that one before.

Apostle Paul was applying them to Christ's Church, and that's very obvious there with simple reading.

And your disbelief that The Holy Spirit no longer manifests through Christ's Church today is a pathetic idea, and does not align with New Testament Scripture.
 
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There is no way you can come to that conclusion by just reading those 2 verses. It’s not in there. I’ll prove it. In acts 8 we see the Samaritans believed and were baptized just like those in acts 2 but they did not receive the Spirit...8:16
Either Peter was lying or it means something else.
because there was among them one Simon the sorcerer, a great seducer of the people. but what happen? Peter and John came to town and confirm and enlarge the church; where, by prayer and imposition of hands giving the Holy Ghost. but we want to get to chapter 10.

Acts 10:1 "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian [band],
Acts 10:2 "[A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
Acts 10:5 "And now send men to Joppa, and call for [one] Simon, whose surname is Peter."

when Peter came, and started to preach to captian Cornelius and all his house hold, listen to what happen.
Acts 10:44 "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Acts 10:45 "And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 "For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Listen to what happen when the circumcision confronted Peter when he went into the gentile house of Cornelius.
Acts 11:2 "And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

Acts 11:12 "And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Acts 11:13 "And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Acts 11:14 "Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Acts 11:15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Acts 11:16 "Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

the apostle Peter said, "the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning". the beginning he was speaking of was the day of Pentecost.

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The Holy Spirit convicts the World of sin. Why? To show us our desperate need of a Savior.
Acts 2: 36, 37, "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?" The Holy Spirit had come just as Jesus had promised that He would and when He came He convicted the world of sin..." Not just the Apostles of Jesus.
I fully believe the HOLY SPIRIT is alive and well, and God has given every believer the Holy Spirit for comfort, teaching and correction, to those who are sincerely open to the Truth of scripture and have the humility to have God open more and more to you...through His Spirit. I know I did not get to where I am today in my race by my own steam, that is for sure! ♥
 
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1 Cor 2 is so abused.
The natural man and the spiritual man? Paul is contrasting those who follow after the enticing words of mans wisdom, wisdom of men, wisdom of the world. (Natural man)These are all phrases used by Paul.
To the man who follows after the direction of the Spirit.
It’s as simple as that. So, we can choose to follow after mans wisdom and be natural or we can read, study and apply what the HS has provided and become spiritual. The HS does not have to miraculously, apart from the word, operate on you to make you then spiritual so you can now understand God. That is completely false. Let’s look at some verses....


1 Corinthians 2:9-16 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
It is not in man to direct his own steps. Jer 10:23. We need guidance and God has provided that. Through his written revealed will.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
How has God revealed his way to man? Through the Spirit. Who gave us the Bible? The Spirit. This is the medium in which God has now chosen to reveal himself to man through the Spirit.
He also says that I can’t know what’s in your mind unless you tell me. Likewise, we can’t know what’s in Gods mind unless he tells us. He has done that today through the Bible.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
How do we Know the things given to us by God? Through the Spirit given word of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
How does one compare spiritual with spiritual today? Through the Bible. When you tell me you got on your knees and prayed to God for forgiveness and at that moment you were born again, I know you are natural and have followed mans wisdom, because the Spirit never told anybody nor did the Spirit give an example in his word of anybody doing that for salvation. Plus, it completely contradicts what the Spirit has told us to do in order to be saved. Also when I see women preachers like Joyce I know they are following their own desires and mans wisdom because the Spirit filled word speaks plainly against this practice.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
See, the natural man above, praying for salvation, did not receive that from the Spirit and when I point that out he thinks I’m foolish because you CANNOT be spiritual following the wisdom of man. This individual cannot go to Gods word and say see...I did exactly what the Spirit gave an example of or what he told me to do, because NOBODY was ever told to pray for salvation and there are no divine examples of this happening under the new covenant.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
the only way to have the mind of Christ is to align your way of thinking to what has been revealed in his book.

Hello
Walking after the Spirit is by the word of God. We are to be transformed by the renewing of our mind. We have been raised with Christ to live unto him by choosing to conform our lives to his word.
 
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Hello
Walking after the Spirit is by the word of God. We are to be transformed by the renewing of our mind. We have been raised with Christ to live unto him by choosing to conform our lives to his word.
Nice. I would agree.
 

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Apostle Paul was applying them to Christ's Church, and that's very obvious there with simple reading.

And your disbelief that The Holy Spirit no longer manifests through Christ's Church today is a pathetic idea, and does not align with New Testament Scripture.
All of Paul’s writings were to Christians.
What isn’t so simple and needs explanation is HOW is the HS in you? You, like the majority of these people on here want to say that the HS personally lives in us which would be a miraculous event. I never said the HS no longer works through Christ’s church. I have said he doesn’t work through direct operation of the gifts of 1 Cor 12 like it was in the early church. Yes, the HS does not work in the church that way today. He doesn’t have to. He works and lives in the Christian representatively through his word.
Do you know how many people claim to have the personal indwelling of the Spirit but they are in a church, like the Methodist, that the HS never even one time mentioned. The Methodist church is no where in the word the HS gave us and these people think the HS guided them into that church. It is ridiculous. The HS never one time mentioned a denomination, actually the HS condemns the act of denominating. Read 1 Cor 1:1-15.
The HS never told anybody to say a sinners prayer for salvation but preacher after preacher who tell you they have the indwelling of the HS, instruct you to do that to be born again. To be saved. It is all ridiculous.
No you don’t have the HS personally living in you. I am standing up for the Word the HS gave us and you say I am wrong. The HS would never tell you to do that. Your “pastor” would though.
 

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Hello
Walking after the Spirit is by the word of God. We are to be transformed by the renewing of our mind. We have been raised with Christ to live unto him by choosing to conform our lives to his word.

“We are to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.” Is not all “...that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, perfect will of God.”


2 Corinthians 11:12-15
[12] But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. [13] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. [14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

What is missing in those “transforming” themselves into apostles of Christ? What do “their works” lack?

The Holy Spirit.
 
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I fully believe the HOLY SPIRIT is alive and well, and God has given every believer the Holy Spirit for comfort, teaching and correction, to those who are sincerely open to the Truth of scripture and have the humility to have God open more and more to you...through His Spirit. I know I did not get to where I am today in my race by my own steam, that is for sure! ♥
The Bible tells me that it is not the HS living in me that gives me comfort, teaching, and correction. The HS actually said this...
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
The HS did not say that HE was profitable for comfort, teaching (which is doctrine) and correction. He said the scripture or word which he has given us from God is profitable for ALL these things and it will help you to be perfect or complete, thoroughly (do you HS people know what that means?) furnished unto ALL good works.
But nooo, you people say I’ve got to have the HS literally in me or I am nothing. I don’t blame you I blame all the so called great preachers of the past.
 

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because there was among them one Simon the sorcerer, a great seducer of the people. but what happen? Peter and John came to town and confirm and enlarge the church; where, by prayer and imposition of hands giving the Holy Ghost. but we want to get to chapter 10.

Acts 10:1 "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian [band],
Acts 10:2 "[A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
Acts 10:5 "And now send men to Joppa, and call for [one] Simon, whose surname is Peter."

when Peter came, and started to preach to captian Cornelius and all his house hold, listen to what happen.
Acts 10:44 "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Acts 10:45 "And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 "For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Listen to what happen when the circumcision confronted Peter when he went into the gentile house of Cornelius.
Acts 11:2 "And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

Acts 11:12 "And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Acts 11:13 "And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Acts 11:14 "Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Acts 11:15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Acts 11:16 "Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

the apostle Peter said, "the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning". the beginning he was speaking of was the day of Pentecost.

PICJAG.
Yes, when he said “on us” he was speaking to and referring to the HS falling on the apostles in acts 2:1-4. He was not referring to the 3000 who were baptized. There are only two instances of HS baptism in all the New Testament. Apostles and Cornelius. You have to admit the HS NEVER fell on you like it did to Cornelius and his family.
 

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Pentecost was a jewish feast and this particular Pentecost was when the gospel was first preached. It started with the Jews, went to the Samaritans, and then to everyone. Why did it happen that way? Because that is what Jesus commanded. Acts 1
OK, let's try it this way, what happened to the disciples, concerning "the Promise" that was to come, after Jesus Ascended?
Acts 2[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
 

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OK, let's try it this way, what happened to the disciples, concerning "the Promise" that was to come, after Jesus Ascended?
Acts 2[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Are you talking about this promise?
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Well, they waited in Jerusalem as instructed and the HS fell on them creating this miraculous event. What else are you trying to say?
 

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Yes, when he said “on us” he was speaking to and referring to the HS falling on the apostles in acts 2:1-4. He was not referring to the 3000 who were baptized. There are only two instances of HS baptism in all the New Testament. Apostles and Cornelius. You have to admit the HS NEVER fell on you like it did to Cornelius and his family.
ERROR, Acts 2:47 "Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved".

Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call".... (smile).
You have to admit the HS NEVER fell on you like it did to Cornelius and his family.
no need to be like someone else, as long as I have the Spirit. being filled with the Holy Spirit is GREAT, once you recieve him, and yes, we speak with a tongue, but a "NEW Tongue", which is the same tongue.... :eek: . why because the Holy Spirit teach me likewise.
1 Corinthians 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1 Corinthians 2:10 "But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

having the Judgmen of God is like the apostle Paul,
1 Corinthians 7:39 "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:40 "But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

so do I, "I think also that I have the Spirit of God". .... (smile) ... LOL. I tell you having the Spirit is fun.


PICJAG.
 

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The Bible tells me that it is not the HS living in me that gives me comfort, teaching, and correction. The HS actually said this...
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
The HS did not say that HE was profitable for comfort, teaching (which is doctrine) and correction. He said the scripture or word which he has given us from God is profitable for ALL these things and it will help you to be perfect or complete, thoroughly (do you HS people know what that means?) furnished unto ALL good works.
But nooo, you people say I’ve got to have the HS literally in me or I am nothing. I don’t blame you I blame all the so called great preachers of the past.

Why are we told to be filled with the Spirit?
Ephesians 5:18 "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."

In 1 Cor 12, The Holy Spirit imparts gifts.
There's: “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit — the Father will send Him in My name — will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you” (John 14:26).

Romans 8:26-27
26 "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God."

Point is, we need the Holy Spirit for many reasons, God did not just leave us to our own devices! We are no match for Satan on our own. How do you think spiritual warfare is fought? I would say spiritually. And not MY spirit but The Spirit.
 
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ERROR, Acts 2:47 "Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved".

Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call".... (smile).
You can’t take things out of context and build a doctrine. The promise spoken of in acts 2:39 is not the same as acts 1:4.

no need to be like someone else, as long as I have the Spirit. being filled with the Holy Spirit is GREAT, once you recieve him, and yes, we speak with a tongue, but a "NEW Tongue", which is the same tongue.... :eek: . why because the Holy Spirit teach me likewise.
New tongue? That’s made up. I can guarantee any gibber jabber you expel is definitely a “new tongue”.

1 Corinthians 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1 Corinthians 2:10 "But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Cor 2 is soooo abused.

having the Judgmen of God is like the apostle Paul,
1 Corinthians 7:39 "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:40 "But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

so do I, "I think also that I have the Spirit of God". .... (smile) ... LOL. I tell you having the Spirit is fun.


PICJAG.
I don’t find it very funny because I believe you may truly believe it. And that is the problem.
 

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Why are we told to be filled with the Spirit?
Ephesians 5:18 "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."

In 1 Cor 12, The Holy Spirit imparts gifts.
There's: “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit — the Father will send Him in My name — will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you” (John 14:26).

Romans 8:26-27
26 "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God."

Point is, we need the Holy Spirit for many reasons, God did not just leave us to our own devices! We are no match for Satan on our own. How do you think spiritual warfare is fought? I would say spiritually. And not MY spirit but The Spirit.
First of all. Dealing with Eph 5:18? Have you considered the parallel passage in Colossians?
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
In one passage he says be filled with the spirit, but in another parallel passage he says let the word dwell in you. See how beautiful and harmonious the Bible can be when you study and find out all it has to say on certain subjects.
Jn 14 was a passage spoken directly to the apostles who literally received the HS and had miraculous memory. You don’t have miraculous memory so we know this wasn’t promised to you.

God did not leave us alone. How are we to fight the devil?
Ephesians 6:13-17 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
We are going to find that the whole armour does not include the direct operation of the Spirit.

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
This is the word. Jn 17:17

and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Again the word of truth. Ps 119:172

And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Again the word given by the Spirit.

Above all, taking the shield of faith,
This is “the faith” which is the word spoken of in Eph 4 and in other verses like Jude 3.

wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
The sword of the Spirit, or the way the Spirit fights, is through his word. He does not fight through a direct operation of each and every convert.
 

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ScottA,

[Thanks for showing just where you stand. You are only one of many of whom this went right over the head of when you were not aware.]

The difference is I know what the passage teaches. You think it is up to you,to tell us what you think it says.
God expects us to study and discover what He has revealed.



[This is good to a point, but does not include "all truth" via the Holy Spirit promised as by Christ. The common argument to this is that "all truth" was limited to and given only to the apostles,]

This is the biblical truth and can be easily proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

[Thus, the "all is written in the Bible" explanation is grossly in error.]
Heresy alert!
Heresy alert!
Scott A is going to offer a novelty that will be defective to the max:oops:



[What is missing, is not an explanation of how to attain "all truth" through what is written...but rather, how to attain "all truth" through the means described in the written word via the Holy Spirit alone
.]

Oh boy...here we go:eek::rolleyes:


[ This transition and explanation began when Jesus Himself (the Word) departed from the written word to say, "My words are spirit", followed by His promise - not to send more written words - but to send "another" [Helper] other than the written word.]

Another nonsensical post that betrays a lack of respect for the scripture.


[This transition is literally what was to occur when Jesus said, "follow Me." In other words, He was not saying, "Follow me as a man follows a man, but follow Me as I go to our Father in heaven, whom "is spirit."]

completely unbiblical random nonsense as predicted...this is almost incoherent:(:eek::oops:


[But like Israel wanting to return to Egypt rather than entering the promised land, for the most part men have not followed Jesus in the way He went, but have returned to the Egypt of the written word and the former things of religious men. And this they did, even after being counseled by Paul to "leave behind the elementary principles of Christ."]

This post is a horrible attack on the word of God written:oops::oops::oops:
 

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First of all. Dealing with Eph 5:18? Have you considered the parallel passage in Colossians?
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
In one passage he says be filled with the spirit, but in another parallel passage he says let the word dwell in you. See how beautiful and harmonious the Bible can be when you study and find out all it has to say on certain subjects.
Jn 14 was a passage spoken directly to the apostles who literally received the HS and had miraculous memory. You don’t have miraculous memory so we know this wasn’t promised to you.

God did not leave us alone. How are we to fight the devil?
Ephesians 6:13-17 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
We are going to find that the whole armour does not include the direct operation of the Spirit.

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
This is the word. Jn 17:17

and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Again the word of truth. Ps 119:172

And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Again the word given by the Spirit.

Above all, taking the shield of faith,
This is “the faith” which is the word spoken of in Eph 4 and in other verses like Jude 3.

wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
The sword of the Spirit, or the way the Spirit fights, is through his word. He does not fight through a direct operation of each and every convert.

Okay, say you are right about all of this. Where, in scripture does it tell us when the Holy Spirit was taken from men? I have always believed that when The Holy Spirit is taken out of this world, with Christians, this world will become a dark place indeed as, we are the light on the hill, if we have the Spirit of God living within us. Are we not His temple?
 
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