Please explain this.

[Lady Crosstalk]

oh, dont let her kid ya, she agrees with it just fine, push come to shove, ok?
She is strickly pretending there with you, and i could prove it too, just ask hr
yourchain/yanked

These things God hates--->"There are six things the LORD hates— no, seven things he detests: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers [or sisters!]. Proverbs 6:16-19 Why are you trying to stir up trouble, bbyrd? You wouldn't know honesty if you fell over it. One rarely, if ever sees honesty from you. That is why no one can figure you out. You keep on harping on the same old stuff and when you are given satisfactory answers, you just circulate to someone else to give them the same old routine. Don't you have something better to do than to harass Christians?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Don't understand the tic tac toe either, lol

 

[Nancy]

well, God didnt say a Word i can read anywhere in There, so not quite sure what you mean there...i'll wait for your when the woman saw Saul reply fore we go any deeper tho i guess
my breath is all bated an everything!

Sorry Mark but, I think I already told you I was not sure to who or what I was replying to when you asked me about "when the woman saw Saul..." I've already wasted allot of time looking for it but...there are way too many to go back and find the post your question comes from.
And, yes I know God did NOT say a word to Saul that is why I said:
"after God stopped speaking to Saul, why would He just decide to speak to him through a dead Samuel?" I was kind of being sarcastic and basically saying that I do not believe that Saul rose Samuel's spirit from the dirt to give him advice. The witch of Endor doing what she did was obv. not from God. He disapproves of anything having to do with sorcery.

 

[justbyfaith]

I also don't care for the KJV.
First of all there are some mistranslations in there which are
footnoted..why not just fix them?
It's too difficult to understand....first it needs to be translated!

I believe that the reason why certain people cannot understand the kjv is the principle of 1 Corinthians 2:14. They read it and think with their natural minds and therefore it comes across as foolishness to them and they cannot receive it and they do not understand it. They need the Holy Spirit to be able to understand it. Therefore, the kjv requires a dependence upon the Holy Spirit if one is going to understand it. Other translations make the concepts palatable to the natural mind.

What is sacrificed is the power of the gospel to save; because the concepts are watered-down to increase palatability. And the lack of potency means that salvation will not come through reading such translations except by a true miracle; over and above the miracle of regular salvation that comes more easily when you are reading the kjv: because while in reading the kjv you may not understand it, the seed is potent: but in reading other translations you may be able to understand the concept but the potency of the seed is lost or compromised. So it is a miracle either way: 1) to understand the kjv well enough to be saved by its concepts, or 2) to somehow infuse potency into that which is not potent enough to bring salvation, in translations other than the kjv.

I can remember whole verses in the KJV.

BUT would you hand it to a new Christian?

Most definitely.

I think a new Christian wouldn't understand it at all.

I understood it as a new Christian.

I had mentioned to you how the KJV has mistakes in it and they have to be footnoted.

Sorry, the kjv does not have any mistakes. The ones that are most often touted do not count and there are only two or three. One of them is "Easter" (which I hold to be an accurate translation of pascha when you take into account that pascha was the word for Easter in Greek culture when the kjv was translated); and the other is "God forbid" which is simply taking into account the idioms of the day. When debating the kjv-only controversy, I do not find the opposition speaking of anything other than these, as examples of mistakes in the kjv. And they simply do not count.

You don't think asking how many works it takes to stay saved is silly because you don't agree with the concept. If you DID agree with it, it WOULD sound like a very silly question to you.

Isn't Jesus there to forgive us? What did He die for anyway?
So I didn't help a little old lady cross the street yesterday because I was tired or in a bad mood or who knows what. does this make me unsaved? No!

It really depends on whether you are counting on your works to save you or whether you are relying wholly on the grace of God. If you are relying wholly on the grace of God, then you are covered by the grace of the Lord when you mess up. But if you are relying on your works to keep you saved, then you cannot be relying on the grace of God. Because grace and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to salvation (Romans 11:5-6 (kjv)). So then, the person relying on works to save them cannot revert back to grace when they mess up: they are required to do those works and if they fail to do them there is condemnation; because if they are saved by works, they are condemned over the lack of them.

Works keep us saved

This is where I find you deeply lacking in understanding of the most basic doctrines of the holy scriptures. I would suggest reading the epistle of Paul to the Romans all the way through, once a day, for about three weeks; and perhaps also include the epistle of Paul to the Galatians in that reading. These books of the Bible are essential to our understanding of the doctrines of salvation. Ask the Holy Spirit to speak to you while you are reading and to give you insight, understanding, wisdom, revelation, knowledge, and faith from your encounter with the Lord in His word. Pray also that it will be an encounter.

Pro 10:8, The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Sorry Mark but, I think I already told you I was not sure to who or what I was replying to when you asked me about "when the woman saw Saul..." I've already wasted allot of time looking for it but...there are way too many to go back and find the post your question comes from.
And, yes I know God did NOT say a word to Saul that is why I said:
"after God stopped speaking to Saul, why would He just decide to speak to him through a dead Samuel?" I was kind of being sarcastic and basically saying that I do not believe that Saul rose Samuel's spirit from the dirt to give him advice. The witch of Endor doing what she did was obv. not from God. He disapproves of anything having to do with sorcery.

Saul and the witch of Endor were undoubtedly speaking to a demon who looked like Samuel. Witches have demons as their constant companions.

 

[Grailhunter]

I believe that the reason why certain people cannot understand the kjv is the principle of 1 Corinthians 2:14. They read it and think with their natural minds and therefore it comes across as foolishness to them and they cannot receive it and they do not understand it. They need the Holy Spirit to be able to understand it. Therefore, the kjv requires a dependence upon the Holy Spirit if one is going to understand it. Other translations make the concepts palatable to the natural mind.

What is sacrificed is the power of the gospel to save; because the concepts are watered-down to increase palatability. And the lack of potency means that salvation will not come through reading such translations except by a true miracle; over and above the miracle of regular salvation that comes more easily when you are reading the kjv: because while in reading the kjv you may not understand it, the seed is potent: but in reading other translations you may be able to understand the concept but the potency of the seed is lost or compromised. So it is a miracle either way: 1) to understand the kjv well enough to be saved by its concepts, or 2) to somehow infuse potency into that which is not potent enough to bring salvation, in translations other than the kjv.



Most definitely.



I understood it as a new Christian.



Sorry, the kjv does not have any mistakes. The ones that are most often touted do not count and there are only two or three. One of them is "Easter" (which I hold to be an accurate translation of pascha when you take into account that pascha was the word for Easter in Greek culture when the kjv was translated); and the other is "God forbid" which is simply taking into account the idioms of the day. When debating the kjv-only controversy, I do not find the opposition speaking of anything other than these, as examples of mistakes in the kjv. And they simply do not count.



It really depends on whether you are counting on your works to save you or whether you are relying wholly on the grace of God. If you are relying wholly on the grace of God, then you are covered by the grace of the Lord when you mess up. But if you are relying on your works to keep you saved, then you cannot be relying on the grace of God. Because grace and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to salvation (Romans 11:5-6 (kjv)). So then, the person relying on works to save them cannot revert back to grace when they mess up: they are required to do those works and if they fail to do them there is condemnation; because if they are saved by works, they are condemned over the lack of them.



This is where I find you deeply lacking in understanding of the most basic doctrines of the holy scriptures. I would suggest reading the epistle of Paul to the Romans all the way through, once a day, for about three weeks; and perhaps also include the epistle of Paul to the Galatians in that reading. These books of the Bible are essential to our understanding of the doctrines of salvation. Ask the Holy Spirit to speak to you while you are reading and to give you insight, understanding, wisdom, revelation, knowledge, and faith from your encounter with the Lord in His word. Pray also that it will be an encounter.

Pro 10:8, The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

lol I cannot wait to see what she says to this!

 

[bbyrd009]

Yeah, you lost me again with that one byrd. Sorry. I'm trying to understand, really I am.

oh, well, they will be all believing that they might go up to heaven, or nirvana, the elysian fields, diff names, always after they have died, and regardless of the belief system or the plain language in that system's dogma that will tell them otherwise. We all want to be immortal right.

So, on doing the same exact thing anyway, maybe your twenties covers Jesus explicit literal directions for anyone who would be His disciple, and maybe they dont, idk, but i do know we mostly try to never walk away from it all and leave home broke and go to another town where we have no support systems no familiar s no power base, see, to experience what its like to have no comfort zone again. Bc who wants to do that right

so, not doing that, evabody doing diff stuff, only thinking is doing too kinda, and theyre all, secretly, waiting for the world to end, i guess. Thinking that the world is about to end, literally, right, even the Apostles, entering Jerusalem, see did not understand that life, more abundantly does not start tomorrow, and the world is passing away. imo, is the only reason we feel that the world is about to end, right, bc we are in the world and it is passing away.

So when we say "come quickly, Lord," ha the "Lord" part the way we understand it just really says it all, give us a king, to fight our battles right, see we read a little piece of Scripture with two eyes and become convinced that the Son of Man is going to come back literally and rule with an iron scepter, right, face to face? That while we might personally never be High Mucky-muck enough for a personal audience with Him, but theoretically tomorrow someone would be able to go request an audience with. the iron scepter guy face to face and get a like a ruling or a command on a matter or some advice on some governemtal thing that is after all on His shoulders right. Ha.

Better go read about those who say 'come quickly, Lord' from that OT prophet guy, Isaiah or whoever, ok. Thats all i'm saying. Man, do yourself a favor imo, go herd sheep for a day even, a week, and then go herd goats. Man them guys were smart, i tell ya what. If you think Jesus is ever returning come quickly Lord so tomorrow can finally start then wherever you Read "black" just substitute "white" and vice-versa until further notice imo, be doin yourself a big favor.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm not sure if that is the actual desire of all men (to be immortal). You really made me think hard about this the other day. And I had to admit that it wasn't to live forever that was in my mind as "the prize." To be always with God was more the desire that I found in myself. To not ever be apart from Him was the desire I found when I thought hard about it.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yeah, you lost me again with that one byrd. Sorry. I'm trying to understand, really I am.

so, i dunno if that clarifies things any, sure dont expect everyone to do the same thing, only see i see that everyone, believer, who is all doing everythang differnt, right, they all pretty much get ritually baptized and goto Luby's for a party and then go right back to their old life see. All doin differnt stuff, all doin ezackly the same thing see

 

[stunnedbygrace]

so, i dunno if that clarifies things any, sure dont expect everyone to do the same thing, only see i see that everyone, believer, who is all doing everythang differnt, right, they all pretty much get ritually baptized and goto Luby's for a party and then go right back to their old life see. All doin differnt stuff, all doin ezackly the same thing see

If they were only ritually baptized, by a man, that would explain (to me) why they go right back to their old life rather than begin to die.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not sure if that is the actual desire of all men (to be immortal). You really made me think hard about this the other day. And I had to admit that it wasn't to live forever that was in my mind as "the prize." To be always with God was more the desire that I found in myself. To not ever be apart from Him was the desire I found when I thought hard about it.

yet you still feel separated right now, huh. me too, i get you, honest. See we got this skin, right, served a purpose i guess, had ta have it to survive or something, to get along in the world right, only funny thing your...description of your skin doesnt fit anyone else's description of it, and if you wrote down a specific description of your self without physical descriptives? Like psychological ones only? No one would ever match teh description to you, not even your mom i guess see

 

[bbyrd009]

Why are you trying to stir up trouble, bbyrd?

now see here we are bout to do it again huh. How can i be stirring up trouble when works dont matter, LC. No offense meant whatsoever ok, but see you were just sayin some crap aint true at all imo, cant back it up any, but now i'm stirrin up trouble see. We're just talkin, LC, and you can believe whatever you want, ok? You can even forward beliefs that arent true if you like, if you have any beliefs which i dont think you do tbh, pretty sure we could do a little test for that too and we'd find out about your Absolute Truths before we'd ever find any beliefs, but i dunno there maybe not huh, point is,

i'm stirrin up trouble specifically for the reasons i said, or inferred anyway, plain enough werent they? or i mean i could rephrase the disputes to your earlier concepts if you want, so we could get back to talkin about them instead a me, bc somewhere in here i guess i gave the impression i was talkin about you, made some personal remark about you or something here? When all i meant to say is youre nuts ok, in that way we have of saying that to mean nuh-uh. Which is granted a bad approach i guess, bad way of thinking, sends the wrong message, ya.

So my apologies then and i'll just reload and say i dint think swords bring people together much, and bein as how i dont see any ppl together anyway, no ones doin the same thing, right, all pretty much disagreein with each other on the surface but down a little deeper all believin the ezact same thing, huh, one thing, just one single thing. So anyway i am sorry, but i dont think you can justify your declarations is what i meant to say ok

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I don't exactly feel separated...oh wait, do you mean feel separated from God or feel separated from myself?

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry Mark but, I think I already told you I was not sure to who or what I was replying to when you asked me about "when the woman saw Saul..." I've already wasted allot of time looking for it but...there are way too many to go back and find the post your question comes from.
And, yes I know God did NOT say a word to Saul that is why I said:
"after God stopped speaking to Saul, why would He just decide to speak to him through a dead Samuel?" I was kind of being sarcastic and basically saying that I do not believe that Saul rose Samuel's spirit from the dirt to give him advice. The witch of Endor doing what she did was obv. not from God. He disapproves of anything having to do with sorcery.

so youre saying that the woman did not see Samuel then,
1 Samuel 28:12 But when the woman saw Samuel, she cried out in a loud voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!"

He disapproves of anything having to do with sorcery.

not denying this, see, this is not the point of the passage, to approve or disapprove of the practice. The practice is condemned by God, yes

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't exactly feel separated...oh wait, do you mean feel separated from God or feel separated from myself?

God, self, both maybe. See bc your def of "self" is subjective?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes, I think I see what you're saying Byrd, He disapproves of the practice, BUT was it really the prophet who was summoned nevertheless? I guess we need to examine what the spirit said. Was it a lie or was it the truth...? Did what the spirit said glorify God?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

God

I guess then...I don't feel separated so much as...hindered sometimes. By myself...?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I guess then...I don't feel separated so much as...hindered sometimes. By myself...?

And its just been that the only place He ever takes me to see is all the places where I am not trusting, even though I think I am. And I think it is those places in me that don't trust outrageously that are what hinder me.

 

[atpollard]

lol I cannot wait to see what she says to this!

If this was a topic on the KJV, then I would reply with:
If the KJV is so easy to understand for modern readers, then "What is a 'charger'?"

 

[stunnedbygrace]

A charger is a really big plate that goes underneath all the other plates in a table setting...or someone who just can't stop buying things with a plastic card...