Biblical Foreknowledge

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Yes, you said (in a pm) exactly that against squire (when I said he could verify the post).

As I said, you have blended many issues. I did delete posts (removed from view) as a moderator. The staff decided to remove a thread (which resulted in the posts following the OP to be removed). But I did not remove the post you had the melt down over (the tantrum that resulted in you being banned before this last time). Again, this is a record of percieved wrongs you are holding in opposition to the command of God. If it will help you repent of this sin, have @SovereignGrace pm me and I will provide him the details when I get home.

I think it is silly, and I doubt you will accept the truth. But you cannot go on like this and be faithful to Christ. So I will comply if it will help you.

If you love Him you will keep His commandments.

Haha...as a bonus I will add my posts to Biblicist and Willis that was titled JonC's meltdown...lol
Squire covered for you.He knows you did it, as will everyone else.
You even tried to block my access to these posts, but a friend sent them to me...
There are many brothers who love me In Christ despite my defects and remaining sin.
We are United by truth . We have defects, and remaining sin.
I have had disagreements with all of these men. The difference is they behave as Christian men
We help each other and work through the issues knowing that the eyes of the Lord are in every place beholding the good and the evil.
I accept correction from all of my brothers.
The Cals are tight . We have differences we are different people. When they offer correction they do so in love.
You sound like you do, except you post vile things right after you say you are concerned for me,

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Yes, you said (in a pm) exactly that against squire (when I said he could verify the post).

As I said, you have blended many issues. I did delete posts (removed from view) as a moderator. The staff decided to remove a thread (which resulted in the posts following the OP to be removed). But I did not remove the post you had the melt down over (the tantrum that resulted in you being banned before this last time). Again, this is a record of percieved wrongs you are holding in opposition to the command of God. If it will help you repent of this sin, have @SovereignGrace pm me and I will provide him the details when I get home.

I think it is silly, and I doubt you will accept the truth. But you cannot go on like this and be faithful to Christ. So I will comply if it will help you.

If you love Him you will keep His commandments.

If you did not delete and edit posts it would not come to this.
But you do. You will go away soon JonC when it is exposed. Then I will apologize to the people here for fending off a stalker who has an agenda to discredit all my calvinist brothers.you still hide your posts from public view. Guess it is easier to edit them,
(Thankyou bb) ..(your welcome bb)
Lol

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

The 25 things you mentioned were censorship.
You edited and deleted saying provocative language...
There were no cursing or profane language,just views you did not like.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

John Caldwell,

I also do not believe that this "deleted post" exists

. post244

The truth of the matter is there was never a "missing post".

post257

I answered JonC;
Again you lie, can't help it can you?
You had to admit you deleted the post.
You gave the excuse that Martin requested you take it down,lol
First you denied the post saying you are not going to take the Calvinists from correcting you anymore.
Then you denied that the post existed, you said I have a vivid imagination,post 259

MM's post was in a thread (not in MM's thread) which was removed from public view as a staff decision because of the OP (not because of MM's post).

post 260

The "deleted post" of mine (the one that you objected to) was never deleted.

260

I answered JonC;
Lol
.yes there was. You posted it as you melted down, said Martin ,biblicist and Sg, myself and others have no integrity, are dishonest, cannot be trusted, and 3 or 4 other remarks.
You deleted it. When we asked you said you never posted or deleted it...lol ...

In a few private messages to members, I asked this Question;
I asked SG.
Did Jon makes several posts disappear in which he suggested, Biblicist, Martin, myself and the rest of the Calvinist's, we're dishonest, untrustworthy, etc?
I know I saw the posting, but they were censored out???
I hate censorship, even if the person censors themselves

He said something about insults????


Then Biblicist;


And with Biblicist;

The BiblicistWell-Known Member
Site Supporter
I asked him;
Am I imagining things or did several posts disappear which said you, martin myself and Calvinists in general were
Dishonest, untruthful, not trustworthy, etc???
Biblicist replied;
I can't even find the thread much less some missing posts. Have you tried just finding the thread. Maybe I am missing something, but when I type in the name of the thread nothing comes up.

When i try and look at Jonc 's post it tells me ERROR this user restricts who can view his page.

Is this refreshing your memory JonC????
Will you admit it now, or do you want me to continue?

If you do not admit it, I will post you in your own words saying the post never existed ... then admitting it existed and was deleted by you, not staff.

your choice...leave me alone and go away as you have come here as a troublemaker and contentious talebearer, or I will continue exposing the person you are. That list I posted was 100% accurate unlike your falsehoods

 

[GodsGrace]

The roman Church was corrupt early on, The ecf are not reliable as man made tradition fed the corruption

I didn't get an alert for this...almost missed it.

So the ECFs are not reliable as man-made tradition fed the corruption?

1. What corruption? There was non with the ECFs...that's why I like to check out what they believed. They taught what the Apostles taught.

2. If the ECFs are not reliable as man-made tradition...
what makes Luther, or Calvin reliable?
What do you think THEY had 1,500 years AFTER the birth of Jesus...
that Ignatius of Antioch did not have,,,or Barnabas,,,or Clement,,,,who were around while the Apostles were still alive and they STUDIED under the Apostles?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

John Caldwell,

I only want the best for you, the things of Christ. I do mot see a benefit in moving one board to another.

I see that your clique is present here. preacher4truth is here but was banned (under two accounts as he snuck back). But @SovereignGrace is also here and on the BB. If he is willing I can show him the posts and the dialogue of the thread in question. Perhaps that would allow you to let go of this hate you harbor.

That is, of course, if you are not so invested in this hatred that you cannot let go out of pride. As a believer I have learned to divest myself of such things, but it is not an easy thing to do (and I easly stumble). But if it will help you to overcome this sinfulness I will take the time. Just have SG pm me if he is willing and if you are able to accept the possibility you have wrongfully held a list of perceived wrongs and that in error.

If not, then let me remind you of the "ignore" feature. You lamented that you could not ignore me as a moderator, but I am not a moderator here. If you were sincere, you have the option and it may keep you from sinning against Christ by abusing other people.[/QUOTE]

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

="GodsGrace,

Hello GG,

I have left the RC church years ago. That is not the topic of this thread, but as it has been partially derailed so I will answer in part because I believe you are sincerely looking[even if we do not have total agreement yet

First, let me make clear I attempt to go by scripture alone for faith and practice

So the ECFs are not reliable as man-made tradition fed the corruption?

I am not told to search the"early church fathers"....but rather scripture for truth.
For example....they taught and believed in baptismal regeneration which is a complete falsehood. Why should I listen to anyone who cannot explain what being born from above/born again means?
http://www.tlchrist.info/keithgreen/boettner_romancatholocism.pdf
The Church became corrupt, preying on illiterate people and getting them to pay indulgences.

The priests who saw in scripture the rc church practices drifted from scripture , sought reformation.
over the years the church added to scripture ungodly beliefs and practices.

http://www.tlchrist.info/keithgreen/boettner_romancatholocism.pdf

 

[John Caldwell]

I do mot see a benefit in moving one board to another.

The benefit is a fellowship with Christians. I am a member of several boards (a Calvinist board, a Calvinist research board, a Baptist Board, a Christian board, and a literature board). I am a member of an alumni discussion group from my seminary and one SBC discussion group. The benefit is a broader range of dialogue.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

The benefit is a fellowship with Christians. I am a member of several boards (a Calvinist board, a Calvinist research board, a Baptist Board, a Christian board, and a literature board). I am a member of an alumni discussion group from my seminary and one SBC discussion group. The benefit is a broader range of dialogue.

Were you not a member of the Baptist Board, the Dog House Forum, and this board as well?

you posted that, lol

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

John Caldwell,

I only want the best for you, the things of Christ. I do mot see a benefit in moving one board to another.

Well JonC...the benefit is I can try and help people. Some non-Christians seeking, some young Christians growing, some anti -cals to see real Calvinism that is not watered down and explained away by carnal philosophy.
You have worked overtime to censor me unjustly, so I came here to help others. You came here to stalk me, and attempted to discredit me as you did there.

You have worked to censor me on BB. You have came over here with an agenda to attack.
Many see through it now.

I see that your clique is present here.

yes, all the Cals you have censored and hate, even though you make as if you care,lol
Some have liked every post I have made and they are verifying what I post, and if the truth be known they could add much more here.
Other cals are watching, but not commenting.....yes, they see the truth that they suspected is unfolded clearly now as you continue your talebearing and twisting of facts.

preacher4truth is here but was banned (under two accounts as he snuck back)

I heard you had 3 accounts on the board that threw you out for lying.

.

But @SovereignGrace is also here and on the BB. If he is willing I can show him the posts and the dialogue of the thread in question. Perhaps that would allow you to let go of this hate you harbor.

Just make your posts available for all to see. Then you cannot deny what you edit and delete.

That is, of course, if you are not so invested in this hatred that you cannot let go out of pride.

Hatred ??? No. Disappointment, sadness, and pity is more like it. I do feel bad for you carrying on this charade.

If not, then let me remind you of the "ignore" feature. You lamented that you could not ignore me as a moderator, but I am not a moderator here.

I do not ignore anyone, never have, never will. I do not censor people as you attempt to do.

Now are you prepared to admit to your false talebearing and repent and leave or do I have to show you lie in your own words???

 

[John Caldwell]

John Caldwell,



Well JonC...the benefit is I can try and help people. Some non-Christians seeking, some young Christians growing, some anti -cals to see real Calvinism that is not watered down and explained away by carnal philosophy.
You have worked overtime to censor me unjustly, so I came here to help others. You came here to stalk me, and attempted to discredit me as you did there.

You have worked to censor me on BB. You have came over here with an agenda to attack.
Many see through it now.



yes, all the Cals you have censored and hate, even though you make as if you care,lol
Some have liked every post I have made and they are verifying what I post, and if the truth be known they could add much more here.
Other cals are watching, but not commenting.....yes, they see the truth that they suspected is unfolded clearly now as you continue your talebearing and twisting of facts.



I heard you had 3 accounts on the board that threw you out for lying.

.

Just make your posts available for all to see. Then you cannot deny what you edit and delete.


Hatred ??? No. Disappointment, sadness, and pity is more like it. I do feel bad for you carrying on this charade.



I do not ignore anyone, never have, never will. I do not censor people as you attempt to do.

Now are you prepared to admit to your false talebearing and repent and leave or do I have to show you lie in your own words???

We can only do kingdom work kingdom ways. God NEVER blesses disobedience.

What good is it to try to reach people by denying God in our actions? If you cannot keep the simplest of commands, Anthony, the commands to love others, to have no malice, and to keep no record of wrong....what good is your faith?

Even if I did all that you accuse me of doing, Anthony, that does not justify your disobedience to God. Even if I am (as you believe) lost, your joining me in Hell would not contribute one ounce of justification to your case. Think about your disobedience here:

The only one who might like your post is the great JonC. He loves all manner of anti-Cal, anti-biblical teaching

Well. A super Apostle such as yourself can figure it out….but instead project your own guilt for your lying …We both know you are a liar…Your seedy accusations and innuendos will not fly anymore

I do not lie as you do in psychotic fashion…..your sanctimonious lying is one of the tops.

What causes you to do so might be a form of mental illness but that would be for you to seek help with.

..why lie JonC. Try being truthful. Do not lie and bear false witness.

keep your condescending advise, suggestions, and prayer to yourself. they are not welcome here.

Stop your excessive hubris and condescending self -righteousness.

You lie like a rug

It was said that your disingenuous prayer does not even leave the room you are in, because God sees the heart, and mostly is not going to answer those who pray amiss

....you have lied over and over.....now when people identify your lying you call them your enemy. Please stop such wickedness.

Here you like satan are an accuser of the brethren...this is your M.O. Ungodly christian indeed.

Your posts are an abomination. I am doing a public service by exposing your dishonest deeds.

Why are you so bitter?

You are the only dishonest person here lacking integrity. Your posts are an abomination. I am doing a public service by exposing your dishonest deeds.

Get thee hence Satan, thou savoured not the things that are of God.

… I expect as much from a liar like you are.

I do not believe you are a Christian.

Your ungodly speculation is not wanted here.

I know my Savior, Anthony. You need to think about your conduct. We cannot go on hating, walking in the darkness, holding grudges, and calling ourselves Christian.

When God saves us God changes us. We still falter, but you have been walking in this darkness for several years. Before me it was another target. Before him it was another. This has been your life, your "witness" for over a decade. This sin is becoming the mark of your life insofar as your conduct online goes.

Please consider obedience. Please slow down and think about what you are saying. Prayerfully consider your words. You will be held accountable. Repentance is a DAILY process. I pray that you will realize this.

And as promised, Anthony, you will remain in my prayers.

I pray that God will keep you safe as you travel. I pray that God will open your heart to obedience, that He will give you a passion not only for Calvinism but also for Christ and that this passion will be evident in your daily interactions, that you will set aside all malice and stop obsessing over perceived wrongs you believe others have committed against you. I pray that you will realize that it is not us but Christ in us that matters and that the world needs.

I pray that you will open your eyes to the fact that people are dying without the gospel, that they are lost. And I pray that you will realize that your abuse of Christians is an abuse of Christ. I pray that you will realize that you call Christ a liar and insult our Lord and Savior to elevate yourself and your pride.

I know how it feels because even last year I was where you are now. But think about the blood you trample, the God you curse. And repent while there is time to repent. God will forgive you as you forgive others, Anthony. I pray that you will receive that desire to be at peace with all men as it can change your life as it has changed mine.

 

[Enoch111]

IT IS HIGH TIME THE MODS SHUT DOWN THIS UNEDIFYING THREAD.

 

[GodsGrace]

="GodsGrace,

Hello GG,

I have left the RC church years ago. That is not the topic of this thread, but as it has been partially derailed so I will answer in part because I believe you are sincerely looking[even if we do not have total agreement yet

First, let me make clear I attempt to go by scripture alone for faith and practice



I am not told to search the"early church fathers"....but rather scripture for truth.
For example....they taught and believed in baptismal regeneration which is a complete falsehood. Why should I listen to anyone who cannot explain what being born from above/born again means?
http://www.tlchrist.info/keithgreen/boettner_romancatholocism.pdf
The Church became corrupt, preying on illiterate people and getting them to pay indulgences.

The priests who saw in scripture the rc church practices drifted from scripture , sought reformation.
over the years the church added to scripture ungodly beliefs and practices.

http://www.tlchrist.info/keithgreen/boettner_romancatholocism.pdf

I'm sorry AD...you don't seem to get the point.
I'm not saying the Early Church Fathers trump the bible.
What I'm saying is that THEY put the N.T. together.
You must know some early church history.
WHO do you think gathered the N.T. epistles and decided which would be canon?

Also, I brought up the early church fathers for a reason.
YOU spoke about man-made ideas (or similar).
LUTHER, CALVIN, KNOX, PIPER. SPURGEON, MCCARTHER, ETC.
ARE MEN.

What I'm saying is that you should trust the EARLY CHURCH FATHERS
over the names above.

Sometimes threads get a little off topic, but it happens naturally.
I find that when someone is interested in the idea brought forward, they won't complain about this...but if the O.P. DOES NOT like the idea, then the cry of derailment will be made.

Just think about what I've said above.

And we'll never have agreement on your theology.
I know for sure that God loves all of His creation (us) and would want that ALL MEN come to believe and be born from above...

but, alas, that will not be because some refuse to go to Him.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The benefit is a fellowship with Christians. I am a member of several boards (a Calvinist board, a Calvinist research board, a Baptist Board, a Christian board, and a literature board). I am a member of an alumni discussion group from my seminary and one SBC discussion group. The benefit is a broader range of dialogue.

Were you not a member of the Baptist Board, the Dog House Forum, and this board as well?

(I forgot to say hello to the new forum member John-- where are my manners!?!)

Hello John! Welcome to the forum
I'm Jane. I'm also on a bunch of forums too- talking about God and people's beliefs in Him is my social media time
I do appreciate your explaining your beliefs posts thus far, welcome!

 

[John Caldwell]

I'm sorry AD...you don't seem to get the point.
I'm not saying the Early Church Fathers trump the bible.
What I'm saying is that THEY put the N.T. together.
You must know some early church history.
WHO do you think gathered the N.T. epistles and decided which would be canon?

Also, I brought up the early church fathers for a reason.
YOU spoke about man-made ideas (or similar).
LUTHER, CALVIN, KNOX, PIPER. SPURGEON, MCCARTHER, ETC.
ARE MEN.

What I'm saying is that you should trust the EARLY CHURCH FATHERS
over the names above.

Sometimes threads get a little off topic, but it happens naturally.
I find that when someone is interested in the idea brought forward, they won't complain about this...but if the O.P. DOES NOT like the idea, then the cry of derailment will be made.

Just think about what I've said above.

And we'll never have agreement on your theology.
I know for sure that God loves all of His creation (us) and would want that ALL MEN come to believe and be born from above...

but, alas, that will not be because some refuse to go to Him.

It is interesting that Calvinism was foreign to Ignatius and Polycarp as far as we can tell). But to be fair, the questions Calvinism addresses were not even being asked during Calvin's lifetime.

 

[John Caldwell]

(I forgot to say hello to the new forum member John-- where are my manners!?!)

Hello John! Welcome to the forum
I'm Jane. I'm also on a bunch of forums too- talking about God and people's beliefs in Him is my social media time
I do appreciate your explaining your beliefs posts thus far, welcome!

Thank you Jane. I look forward to learning from you (and others). I do not believe anyone corners the truth on God or that any theology contains Him - (we are finite beings growing to know God more and more) so please take my understanding with a grain of salt.

My understanding is mine, but I am confident it pales in accuracy to others and certainly to the fulleness we will all share when Jesus returns.

 

[lforrest]

I also extend a Welcome to our new member John Caldwell. Welcome!

IT IS HIGH TIME THE MODS SHUT DOWN THIS UNEDIFYING THREAD.

It does seem this way with how personal it has gotten. If it continues I may need to lock it. Some are Calvinists, others Arminians, still more are confused. But whatever the case may be all are welcome here in the Christian section if they follow Christ.

 

[John Caldwell]

I also extend a Welcome to our new member John Caldwell. Welcome!



It does seem this way with how personal it has gotten. If it continues I may need to lock it. Some are Calvinists, others Arminians, still more are confused. But whatever the case may be all are welcome here in the Christian section if they follow Christ.

Thank you. I look forward to interacting here.

I actually hope we are at least a little confused when it comes to this topic. If not we are probably wrong .

 

[John Caldwell]

My question is for the OP is why?

Lets take Romans 8

Romans 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; [30] and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Based on the text -

Why should "foreknew" be interpreted to be relational rather than a pre-knowledge.

Why should "foreknew" br interpreted as "pre-knowledge" rather than relational?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

,

I also extend a Welcome to our new member John Caldwell. Welcome!
It does seem this way with how personal it has gotten. If it continues I may need to lock it. Some are Calvinists, others Arminians, still more are confused. But whatever the case may be all are welcome here in the Christian section if they follow Christ.

Hello Forrest, thanks for being patient with this thread. As everyone welcomes our new member, I just want to sum this up.
In the last few days of this thread being derailed, we discussed some previous history between JonC and I.
It has bled over into here.
To sum it up..
1].he had posted a thread that attacked Calvinists. He posted things that are very sad. Two of the men were pastors.
2] he deleted the post and the whole thread when we looked for it
3] We searched for the thread the next day.
4]When asked about it he said it never existed at all.
5] That is when it started. He said I made it up, I had a vivid imagination, maybe I worked too long and was dreaming/hallucinating. That I made it up on purpose it never existed.
I mentioned it publically and was banned for speaking about it openly....not that i was wrong, but posted in the open forum,

I have been over here for awhile. He came to harass me,Why do I say that?
In discussing the issue he has denied once again the posts existed here on this forum he said this;
jonC said; on this thread these last two days;
[QUOThe "deleted post" of mine (the one that you objected to) was never deleted.TE]
[/QUOTE]

The truth of the matter is there was never a "missing post".

I also do not believe that this "deleted post" exists

In the first case, he attacked Martin, but said here that the administration deleted the post, which he denied existed in the first place, but here in his own words after first denying the post existed he said this;
He said that here today;

and MM's post that was removed because the entire thread was removed by staff decision).

JonC said;
In that instance, MartinM requested the statement of the OP be removed. I stated in the Report forum that I was removing the thread because it would not be right to remove the OP (which had already been edited for MartinM) after others had responded to it. I was trying to do the right thing.

So...he denies it existed and said I was inventing it and lying, then he admits he removed it.
Do you see the problem? truth is absent from him! he says it was not there, then he admits it was there and he himself removed it.

This was yesterday and today...now in His own words;
He posted this;
I never said the post does not exist. I said that I edited it but never thanked the BaptistBoard for silencing members.

He admitted that the posts existed, but then claims he never thanked baptist board for silencing members, and yet he then posted this...when he remembered the deleted post.

[Thankfully many who would have pounced on my objection have been silenced (you're welcome, BB

),

This he edited, the original said [thankyou BB]

Why this has spilled over is JonC has not been truthful. Even as of today he tried to deny the posts existed, or he edited them. I have more examples, but this has gone on long enough.

As we all rush to greet our new member this is a heads up to who he is and what he does.

Thanks again for being patient. I have tried to let you know who he is.