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Well C,Because you refuse to understand why the teaching of the trinity is a lie, which subsequently leads you to break the command of the Torah, "you shall not take my name in vain", and because you people refuse to understand why paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast of Revelation, which subsequently leads you to break the command of the Torah that says, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities". And this is only the tip of the iceberg of how great the darkness in you people is, which is why you people reproach me and slander me, for telling you the truth that you do not want to hear. You would rather I tell you people happy things like your megachurch pastors do while also collecting 10% of your incomes on the side, to enrich themselves. Your own ignorance of the truth and also the Torah brings condemnation upon your own heads, and your stubbornness only makes it worse. Like blind men who refuse to be helped.
Well C,
The problem here is very simple.
YOU like to follow the Torah...this is your prerogative.
Maybe you're Jewish...Maybe you're a Hassidic...
Maybe you're a Christian that desires to follow the Torah.
This is very good for you and I'm sure God is very happy that
you obey HIM.
The people you're addressing are Christian, this means that we believe that Jesus was the awaited Messiah and the salvation economy that was worked out in the N.T. by Paul and other writers is what Christians accept as the TRUTH.
Of course, being mere mortals, no one REALLY KNOWS what the truth is...
There is one truth that is knowable...
GOD EXISTS.
JESUS WAS SENT BY GOD.
However we understand Jesus to be,,,,if we look to HIS LIGHT to reach GOD,
I can be 99.9% certain that GOD is happy with US. (and you too, as I've stated).
If you want to believe that correct doctrine gets one to heaven, you can go ahead and believe that.
I believe our obedience to God Almighty and our love for Jesus will allow us to spend eternity with God. Not the correct doctrine.
But I'll tell you this...
whoever loves GOD...
loves mankind.
YOUR statements show no love for mankind.
He that cannot love what he sees...
will not love what he cannot see.
(me)
I believe our obedience to God Almighty and our love for Jesus will allow us to spend eternity with God. Not the correct doctrine.
Except that Yeshuah said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah" and "until heaven and earth passes away not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah, and Paul said, "do we therefore nullify the Torah by this belief? Surely not, we uphold the Torah" and "in the Torah is the embodiment of knowledge and truth", so clearly it is you who is deceived following after a false messiah that only exists in your own imagination, not the true Messiah, blessed be he, who taught obedience to the Torah of Moses, and belief in his own name, which is Yeshuah, for he was sent by God to die for us to atone for our sins, and also to perfect us through his blood, which the blood of animals was never able to do. But of course, if you live your whole life believing the Torah is abolished, or also completely fulfilled as some of you like to mutter, you will live your whole life in disobedience to the commands of God no different than the unbeliever who already disobeys the Torah, and will thus, end up in the same place as them. You are an ignorant people, rejecting the Law of God, and you are also stubborn, and for that reason you bring condemnation upon your own heads. How much longer will I continue wasting my time reasoning with you people on this forum? We shall see. I am patient, and also hopeful, that perhaps one of you will come to their senses and understand that what I am saying is indeed the truth.
If we do not obey and teach the Torah we will be called least in the kingdom of heaven...which means we will be "in" the kingdom of heaven...
Paul said in Ephesians that he was less than the least of all the saints; very likely because he was called to preach grace (the unsearchable riches of Christ) to the Gentiles.
But I consider that Paul was greater than the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Paul said that he counted his former obedience to the Torah (as an unbeliever) as loss (even as dung) in comparison to knowing Jesus Christ as Lord.
I suggest to you that you read and think on for a season, Philippians 3:1-9.
Because you refuse to understand why the teaching of the trinity is a lie, which subsequently leads you to break the command of the Torah, "you shall not take my name in vain", and because you people refuse to understand why paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast of Revelation, which subsequently leads you to break the command of the Torah that says, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities". And this is only the tip of the iceberg of how great the darkness in you people is, which is why you people reproach me and slander me, for telling you the truth that you do not want to hear. You would rather I tell you people happy things like your megachurch pastors do while also collecting 10% of your incomes on the side, to enrich themselves. Your own ignorance of the truth and also the Torah brings condemnation upon your own heads, and your stubbornness only makes it worse. Like blind men who refuse to be helped.
Paul is especially clear on not only how ineffective the law is in converting people,
What, specifically, are you saying isn't true?This is not true,
You have taken these verses out of context.Paul is especially clear on not only how ineffective the law is in converting people, but even goes so far as to point out that it is effectively blasphemy.
"23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."
Unless you're already keeping the entire law perfectly, this applies to you as well.
While I can agree that much of what you say is true (e.g. the mark, tithing, the trinity doctrine), and relate to your sentiments on a somewhat superficial level, the fact remains that the law can't turn anyone back to God. It can only point out "the way" which is Christ, and Christ (as well as Paul) points out that it is the gospel itself that converts people's hearts, and turns them back to God.
Paul is especially clear on not only how ineffective the law is in converting people, but even goes so far as to point out that it is effectively blasphemy.
"23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."
Unless you're already keeping the entire law perfectly, this applies to you as well.
What, specifically, are you saying isn't true?
Matthew 5:17-20 is clear, that there are those who even break the law and teach others to do the same, who will be found in the kingdom of heaven (although they will be called the least).
Also, @cgneustar, did you not read Philippians 3:1-9?
It clearly teaches that Paul counted his blamelessness according to the law to be as dung in comparison to the knowledge of Christ Jesus the Lord; and counted it as loss for Christ. He also declares in this passage that he does not live by his own righteousness, which is of the law, but by the righteousness which is of God by faith.
Rom 9:30, What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31, But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32, Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33, As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:1, Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2, For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3, For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4, For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
To @cgneustar
The Torah was not given to make anyone righteous, it was intended to reveal what sin is, through its commands, and bring death upon those who sinned, which is why the Torah is called a law of sin and death,
which is why it was necessary for the Messiah to come, in order to free us from sin by the shedding of his blood, in order that the righteous requirement of the Torah might finally be fulfilled in us, who receive his airflow that cuts sin away from the heart through belief in his name, whereas those who refuse to believe in him, cannot receive the airflow of God, which is why all they are left with is a Torah that they themselves cannot fulfill, because they are still enslaved to sin, which are the Jews.
Except that Yeshuah said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah" and "until heaven and earth passes away not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah, and Paul said, "do we therefore nullify the Torah by this belief? Surely not, we uphold the Torah" and "in the Torah is the embodiment of knowledge and truth", so clearly it is you who is deceived following after a false messiah that only exists in your own imagination, not the true Messiah, blessed be he, who taught obedience to the Torah of Moses, and belief in his own name, which is Yeshuah, for he was sent by God to die for us to atone for our sins, and also to perfect us through his blood, which the blood of animals was never able to do. But of course, if you live your whole life believing the Torah is abolished, or also completely fulfilled as some of you like to mutter, you will live your whole life in disobedience to the commands of God no different than the unbeliever who already disobeys the Torah, and will thus, end up in the same place as them. You are an ignorant people, rejecting the Law of God, and you are also stubborn, and for that reason you bring condemnation upon your own heads. How much longer will I continue wasting my time reasoning with you people on this forum? We shall see. I am patient, and also hopeful, that perhaps one of you will come to their senses and understand that what I am saying is indeed the truth.
Tell me, are "you shall not murder" and "you shall not steal" and "a man shall not wear women's clothing" commands that you are dung, and that mere belief in Yeshuah discards these commands? You cannot discard the Torah that reveals all that is sin. Why is this so difficult for you people to understand?