Has Jesus come in the spirit?

[charity]

It is in Paul's explaining the purpose of tongues (1 Corinthians 14:21) following his clarification that even the scriptures must be "spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). Which means nothing if Israel did not first suffer spiritual blindness, that blindness that remains "until the fullness of the gentiles has come in." This was the blindness that foreshadows the great apostasy foretold of these times.

Who were the first and who are the last? Who is the heel catcher, and in whom does God prevail? Who then is Jacob, and who is Israel?

'Brethren, be not children in understanding:
.. howbeit in malice be ye children,
.... but in understanding be men.
In the law it is written,
.. With men of other tongues and other lips
.... will I speak unto this people;
...... and yet for all that will they not hear me,
........ saith the Lord.'
(1 Corinthians 14:20)

Thank you @ScottA,(re: #69 & #72 & Matthew 13:14)

* Paul does not directly quote Isaiah 6:10 in this verse, as he does in Matthew 13: though he appears to be alluding to it.

* In 1 Corinthians 14:20, Paul was addressing His brethren in the flesh: those who were Israelites among his hearers (Acts 18:1-4); to which nation the words of Isaiah 6:9-10 were directed, as I said in #72: and the words of 1 Corinthians 14:20 refers to them as, 'this People'.

* Isaiah 6:9-10, was spoken about and to:- 'This People' .

* Jacob and Israel, to whom you refer, are as Scripture describes them. I will not spiritualise where Scripture does not.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[ScottA]

I will not spiritualise where Scripture does not.

"Not spiritualise" the scriptures? They are spirit!

Since you have already called me "childish", at the risk of more criticism, I will say:

"Naturally!"

1 Corinthians 2:14
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

 

[charity]

"Not spiritualise" the scriptures? They are spirit!

Since you have already called me "childish", at the risk of more criticism, I will say:

"Naturally!"

1 Corinthians 2:14
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Hello @ScottA.

You asked the questions, 'Who then is Jacob?' and 'Who is Israel?' - it is these that I said I would not spiritualise.

I have no desire to criticise you, Scott.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Davy]

The doctrines of the OP is what I've been warning about in several threads on this forum with the 'kingdom now' folks, which is a false idea that Jesus' 2nd coming is meant spiritually, and not physically.

Those behind those kind of doctrines that twist God's Word are the pagan Gnostics. The first, second century Gnostics were a mix of Greek philosophy and Christian doctrines. They didn't believe Jesus actually died on the cross either, but believed the Jew's lies that Christ's Apostles removed Him from the cross before He died. They believe Jesus lived to be an old man, married and had children, basically the Gnostic ideas of the writers of The Da Vinci Code.

 

[historyb]

Ah, a false witness. This the Lord hates. You will not go unpunished.

Your god Satan does not frighten me

 

[Enoch111]

Those behind those kind of doctrines that twist God's Word are the pagan Gnostics.

Correct. Gnosticism was an attempt to subvert Gospel truth and Bible truth. It is still evident in many of the false teachings that are being promoted today. The apostles were battling Gnosticism within the early churches.

 

[Philip James]

, and after laying down His flesh in sacrifice....

Was on third day bodily raised from the dead.
'touch the holes in my hands and my feet'

If you deny the ressurection of the body you follow another Jesus...

Peace be with you!

 

[ScottA]

Your god Satan does not frighten me

Ah, a double portion then.

 

[ScottA]

Was on third day bodily raised from the dead.
'touch the holes in my hands and my feet'

If you deny the ressurection of the body you follow another Jesus...

Peace be with you!

What, no Judas kiss?

First you join a false witness in accusing me of following Satan, then you show your ignorance. Not exactly good and faithful.

The bodily resurrection of Jesus was not His spiritual ascension in going to the Father (whom is spirit). His resurrection is proof of His power over life and death. His ascension is proof He is God (whom is spirit). Two different acts.

 

[ScottA]

The doctrines of the OP is what I've been warning about in several threads on this forum with the 'kingdom now' folks, which is a false idea that Jesus' 2nd coming is meant spiritually, and not physically.

Those behind those kind of doctrines that twist God's Word are the pagan Gnostics. The first, second century Gnostics were a mix of Greek philosophy and Christian doctrines. They didn't believe Jesus actually died on the cross either, but believed the Jew's lies that Christ's Apostles removed Him from the cross before He died. They believe Jesus lived to be an old man, married and had children, basically the Gnostic ideas of the writers of The Da Vinci Code.

I wouldn't know about the Gnostics, but I do know about false witnesses and accusers who lie through their teeth, born of the father of lies. Now those are the acts of one "twisting God's word."

On the contrary, I have done nothing but ask questions, give answers, and back them with the scriptures. (The OP is not "doctrine", is all questions) Caughtcha!

If you don't agree, let's have it point for point, one at a time. Come on coward, let's hear it. Otherwise, shut it.

 

[Davy]

I wouldn't know about the Gnostics, but I do know about false witnesses and accusers who lie through their teeth, born of the father of lies. Now those are the acts of one "twisting God's word."

On the contrary, I have done nothing but ask questions, give answers, and back them with the scriptures. (The OP is not "doctrine", is all questions) Caughtcha!

If you don't agree, let's have it point for point, one at a time. Come on coward, let's hear it. Otherwise, shut it.

Like I pointed to, some today who treat Christ's earthly kingdom as already having come are following doctrines of Gnosticism. That is why they have to try and spiritualize much of God's Word, just as you often have done on this forum.

 

[ScottA]

Like I pointed to, some today who treat Christ's earthly kingdom as already having come are following doctrines of Gnosticism. That is why they have to try and spiritualize much of God's Word, just as you often have done on this forum.

You call bad good and good bad. God's word is spirit. God is spirit. And you speak against Him.

He who "spiritualizes" is God.

 

[Davy]

You call bad good and good bad. God's word is spirit. God is spirit. And you speak against Him.

He who "spiritualizes" is God.

There you go with that Gnostic speak again.

The Gnostics loved to spiritualize, whereas God's people speak plainly His Truth as written so everyone can understand.

 

[ScottA]

There you go with that Gnostic speak again.

The Gnostics loved to spiritualize, whereas God's people speak plainly His Truth as written so everyone can understand.

And there you go again mocking the Spirit whom is God, and His ways.

 

[historyb]

And there you go again mocking the Spirit whom is God, and His ways.

So you think you God. Did you take your meds?

 

[justbyfaith]

So you think you God. Did you take your meds?

2Ti 1:7, For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

2Co 5:13, For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.

Hos 9:7, The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.

Mar 3:21, And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He (Jesus) is beside himself.

Jhn 10:20, And many of them said, He (Jesus) hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
Jhn 10:21, Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

Psa 69:9, For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

Sorry, I guess that the post in question simply struck a nerve.

 

[ScottA]

So you think you God. Did you take your meds?

You think that me speaking out against someone mocking God by attacking His holy [spiritual] nature, is me acting like God?

Cool--thanks for the compliment!

 

[Episkopos]

It isn't constructive to argue the spiritual over the physical. BOTH are true. Both are realized in Christ who is both God and man.

There is the physical logos...we can read with carnal eyes. But there is also the spiritual rhema we hear with spiritual ears. These speak to the body and blood of Jesus Christ. One is visible and the other invisible.

The truth is where both come together. There is no point in championing one over the other. It is actually foolish to do so.

Has Jesus come already in the Spirit. Of course. He comes to us in the baptism of the Spirit and revivals of holiness.

Has Jesus come back in the flesh? Not yet.

 

[justbyfaith]

Has Jesus come back in the flesh? Not yet.

However, He is come in the flesh (in that He is a Man sitting on the right hand of the throne of God). Agree or disagree?

 

[Episkopos]

However, He is come in the flesh (in that He is a Man sitting on the right hand of the throne of God). Agree or disagree?

Of course He already descended once in the flesh. But i was saying...coming BACK again.