The Jazz Man

[bbyrd009]

sorry on the confusion part, fwiw. I think it is really prolly best for the prots here to listen to the Catholic usurpers yall seem to be comfortable with in your midst, and really i would not pay too much attn to anything i got to say if i were you. And best wishes in your walk too ok bro

Any information my fellow human beings assume about me.

so, i guess you prefer your assumed point to remain opaque here, or what exactly? If you are justifiably indignant over something, can you not just say what it is? I ask bc i am an offensive guy on the whole, ok, and maybe i owe you an apology

 

[Use the Fear]

Beliefs of my culture...? A big portion of my culture believes God exists and a big portion believe He does not. Among both those factions of my culture, there are a myriad of beliefs within those beliefs ( mediums and psychics, Martian and bigfoot believers, the belief that the Holy Spirit knocks you out and slays you or makes you giggle, the list goes on and on.

But you think I should test my receiving of the Holy Spirit for consistency? What does that mean? When Abraham saw the burning bush and a voice spoke to him, how would he test his experience of God for consistency before He believes it is God? When Paul saw a light and heard a voice, how would you tell either or both of these two men to go about testing their experiences for consistency before accepting them?

If you heard Paul say, there was a light that temporarily blinded me and a voice that answered me when I asked, who are you? And you counseled him: you should test your experience for "consistency" before you accept it as God. And he asked you, okay, how do I test my experience for consistency, What would you answer him?

There could be a myriad of reasons why people have such experience's, and the only way to ascertain fact over belief in such cases, is to reduce your assumptions of such experiences down to the most likely cause.

Occam's razor (also Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor: Latin: novacula Occami; or law of parsimony: Latin: lex parsimoniae) is the problem-solving principle that states "Entities should not be multiplied without necessity." The idea is attributed to English Franciscan friar William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), a scholastic philosopher and theologian. It is sometimes misquoted in pop culture and other media by some form of the statement "The simplest solution is most likely the right one." Occam's razor instead says that when presented with competing hypotheses that make the same predictions, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions, and it is not meant to be a way of choosing between hypotheses that make different predictions.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

There could be a myriad of reasons why people have such experience's, and the only way to ascertain fact over belief in such cases, is to reduce your assumptions of such experiences down to the most likely cause.

Occam's razor (also Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor: Latin: novacula Occami; or law of parsimony: Latin: lex parsimoniae) is the problem-solving principle that states "Entities should not be multiplied without necessity." The idea is attributed to English Franciscan friar William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), a scholastic philosopher and theologian. It is sometimes misquoted in pop culture and other media by some form of the statement "The simplest solution is most likely the right one." Occam's razor instead says that when presented with competing hypotheses that make the same predictions, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions, and it is not meant to be a way of choosing between hypotheses that make different predictions.

I don't know what all that means. I spent my life surrounded by people, but alone. I thought the most brilliant and brave people were the ones who killed themselves. You would never convince someone like me that the complete reversal of my mind and hope was just the illusion of meeting God. But then, I would never convince you God exists and can be known either. And I wouldn't have much respect for you anyway if I could.

 

[Use the Fear]

The evidence of the actions of Christians does, as you have said, prove the contrary. Until you realize that many men are liars. They claim to follow a man who is and was God, but then show they are nothing like that man. But do they prove that God does not exist, or do they just prove they are hypocritical liars?

If every Christian believes that their God is the only thing that can change them, but at the same time provide no actual concurrent evidence of their God to those unsaved sinners they are so desperately trying to convert. I would think that the believer should stop and rethink their position in life, like the pedophile who abuses children but once believed that Jesus is the only solution to such sin nature.

Then how did they end up that way if their beliefs at the start didn't accomplish anything but more sin?

 

[Use the Fear]

I don't know what all that means. I spent my life surrounded by people, but alone. I thought the most brilliant and brave people were the ones who killed themselves. You would never convince someone like me that the complete reversal of my mind and hope was just the illusion of meeting God. But then, I would never convince you God exists and can be known either. And I wouldn't have much respect for you anyway if I could.

Beliefs never make anyone better, or wiser. This is because when someone is satisfied with believing thing's, they inevitably cut off their ability to learn without biases.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

If every Christian believes that their God is the only thing that can change them, but at the same time provide no actual concurrent evidence of their God to those unsaved sinners they are so desperately trying to convert. I would think that the believer should stop and rethink their position

I agree. Maybe not in the same way as you, but I agree. In fact, the whole of the Way is rejection and killing of yourself SO THAT God can be shown to others. If you aren't yet dead, you shouldn't arrogantly proclaim you are. If you aren't holy, you shouldn't arrogantly proclaim you are. You only make yourself a laughingstock.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Beliefs never make anyone better, or wiser. This is because when someone is satisfied with believing thing's, they inevitably cut off their ability to learn without biases.

You have said a true thing here!

 

[amadeus]

You believe your particular God can help me, you believe your particular God can help everybody. Every Christian keeps believing this, although the evidence of the actions of Christian's proves quite the contrary.

Doesn't it, but the mind of the believer never sees how much damage their belief does.

If every person who carried the label of Christian really did believe that God could really help, it would be more readily apparent to people like yourself. Don't let the errors of people, no matter what they call themselves, cause you to choose the wrong way.

 

[ScottA]

I said "you are elohim"
why do you call Me good?

The point is, God is good; and therefore, if we go to be with God and become One with God, we too are good. So, the point that Jesus was making, was that even Christ, having come in the flesh was not good. But that was before His resurrection and ascension, which did include all who are in Christ--then, not in the future. Thus, it is most correct to say that those who are in Christ (in God) are good...even now.

 

[ScottA]

I just had an aha moment. I've heard men say there is a huge difference between belief and faith, but I never understood them and I rather thought that belief is proved to be nonbelief by what the man does. But I suddenly just saw that they really are different...but I can't exactly...articulate HOW they are different...belief is (or can be) just words. Faith is...gaaah, I can't quite say what I suddenly saw!

Indeed, "belief" wants to "know"...but "faith" is "the evidence of things unseen" that are indeed "known", and known for certain.

 

[ScottA]

you now need to address why do you call me good? while i wadr do not hold my breath, ok?

Context.

Jesus was speaking of those who are born of the flesh (Himself included). But--[different context]--He goes on to ascend to the Father, whom is spirit, the firstborn of the spirit of God. In which case, in that context and at that time, God being good, He too was good...and all who are in Him, in God. This is what it means to "follow" Him.

 

[Use the Fear]

I agree. Maybe not in the same way as you, but I agree. In fact, the whole of the Way is rejection and killing of yourself SO THAT God can be shown to others. If you aren't yet dead, you shouldn't arrogantly proclaim you are. If you aren't holy, you shouldn't arrogantly proclaim you are. You only make yourself a laughingstock.

Dying for other's, do Christian's do that anymore?

 

[GodsGrace]

"gaaah, I can't quite say what I suddenly saw!"

That would be me to a Tee! Only, more so :) Those thoughts just slip away so fast! I think our thoughts have little minds of their own...come and go as they please! Lol.

I like to call those moments:
A Lucid moment.

When one REALLY understands something with the mind, heart and soul.
But, alas, it doesn't last more than 3 or 4 seconds.

 

[GodsGrace]

Dying for other's, do Christian's do that anymore?

Ummm.
Have you checked out the Middle East, Africa and China lately?

I know this is not what you mean...
but Christians certainly die BECAUSE of others.

Just like in the Romans times.

 

[ScottA]

Dying for other's, do Christian's do that anymore?

Daily.

When one passes from death to life...but stays in the world, it's like groundhog day; everyday facing death, but walking in life.

 

[Use the Fear]

If every person who carried the label of Christian really did believe that God could really help, it would be more readily apparent to people like yourself. Don't let the errors of people, no matter what they call themselves, cause you to choose the wrong way.

If it walk's like a duck, quacks like a duck, then what else can it be?

I think the rest of the world has had enough of Christianity quacking like a duck.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Dying for other's, do Christian's do that anymore?

They claim to. But watch someone step on their toes and you see their entire make believe world crash down. Reminds me of a Chinese proverb - whatever you are carrying will spill out when someone bumps you.

 

[farouk]

Ummm.
Have you checked out the Middle East, Africa and China lately?

I know this is not what you mean...
but Christians certainly die BECAUSE of others.

Just like in the Romans times.

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." (2 Timothy 3.12) In some places it can be very severe.

 

[GodsGrace]

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." (2 Timothy 3.12) In some places it can be very severe.

OK.
Now THIS kind of scripture I know about!
And it's still very severe in many parts of the world.
It's rather infuriating to me TTYTT, that it's not stopped by anyone.
Isn't this supposed to be a civil world?
What is the UN for anyway?
Rhetorical questions.

 

[farouk]

Good enough.
If you've seen me, you've seen the Father.
I and the Father are One.

OK.

John's Gospel is indeed full of the unity of purpose among Father, Son and Holy Spirit.