Once Saved Always Saved Garbage Teaching!!

[justbyfaith]

AMEN, brother!
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I believe that @GodsGrace is a sister.

(I REBUKE YOU, SPIRITS OF LEVIATHAN AND MALE DOMINATION IN THE NAME OF JESUS!)

Might even be that unrebukable, Spirit of the Lord:

1Co 14:34, Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35, And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36, What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37, If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38, But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1Ti 2:9, In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10, But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11, Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12, But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13, For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15, Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

.there's so much scripture that points to
conditional eternal security.

Right....but there is also scripture that points to the fact that the Lord provides in a permanent way the conditions laid forth as being necessary to keep salvation.

You should try the Pentecostal Oneness site.

Where is that located?

 

[ScottA]

You are correct It has been "un-liked".
"If we say we have no sin..." We are NOT Jesus Christ the ONLY "perfect in all His ways" human.

Nancy, so sorry, I think we have been missing each other's points creating a huge misunderstanding, therefore I will include @CharismaticLady as well.

Each of the scriptures that we have been quoting are correct and true. However, John's word saying, "If we say we have no sin" was to those who have sin; while his word, saying, "Whoever abides in Him does not sin" was said to those who cannot sin. He spoke to two different groups, so the two statements are not contradictory. But here and now, it is wrong for us to argue and misunderstand the truth, applying both statements to all parties.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I believe that @GodsGrace is a sister.



Might even be that unrebukable, Spirit of the Lord:

1Co 14:34, Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35, And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36, What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37, If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38, But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1Ti 2:9, In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10, But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11, Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12, But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13, For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15, Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.



Right....but there is also scripture that points to the fact that the Lord provides in a permanent way the conditions laid forth as being necessary to keep salvation.



Where is that located?

1 Cor. 14 verses are added. Read the passage without those two off the wall verses and see the uninterrupted context.

1 Tim. verses are Paul's advice to Timothy only. They are not commandments of the Lord for all time.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Look, she's in her 70's ... please give her a break!
You think you have problems ...
on another forum, she got confused and called me a liar.
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Please do not patronize me. I was not confused. Scott needs to go back to see what the truth is. And you did lie.

 

[ScottA]

Look, she's in her 70's ... please give her a break!
You think you have problems ...
on another forum, she got confused and called me a liar.
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And did you tell her to give me a break for being patient though so many accusations?
Or shall we all end conceding to untruth?
Meanwhile, you could have commented with a bit more grace yourself, or PM me.

 

[CharismaticLady]

And did you tell her to give me a break for being patient though so many accusations?
Or shall we all end conceding to untruth?
Meanwhile, you could have commented with a bit more grace yourself, or PM me.

Accusations? I was rebuking a spirit. And you are the one telling me I'm not being scriptural. Explain yourself, and where you see that I'm wrong. Go back to page 6, #103 then further to Dove's response. That started it.

Also tell me why you do not believe that when we are born again only our past/old sins are cleansed as Peter said. And Paul said we are now dead to sin. and John said we cannot sin. Show me the contradicting scripture that shows me I'm wrong!

 

[ScottA]

Accusations? I was rebuking a spirit. And you are the one telling me I'm not being scriptural. Explain yourself, and where you see that I'm wrong. Go back to page 6, #103 then further to Dove's response. That started it.

Also tell me why you do not believe that when we are born again only our past/old sins are cleansed as Peter said. And Paul said we are now dead to sin. and John said we cannot sin. Show me the contradicting scripture that shows me I'm wrong!

You have been conversing with me as if to a demon. Unbecoming.

Your explanation is in post #322.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have been conversing with me as if to a demon. Unbecoming.

Your explanation is in post #322.

Don't you know that if we believe the same thing, and it gets twisted in your mind and you attack me telling me I'm not being scriptural, that it is not you, it is Leviathan? Have you never heard of that demon? Well, it exists and is seen a lot on the forums. He is now playing havoc and I can't stop it only rebuke it. Even now, it is twisting your mind to think I'm rebuking you. If you can't recognize it, he's got a better hold on you than I feared.

 

[ScottA]

Don't you know that if we believe the same thing, and it gets twisted in your mind and you attack me telling me I'm not being scriptural, that it is not you, it is Leviathan? Have you never heard of that demon? Well, it exists and is seen a lot on the forums. He is now playing havoc and I can't stop it only rebuke it. Even now, it is twisting your mind to think I'm rebuking you. If you can't recognize it, he's got a better hold on you than I feared.

Examine yourself.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have been conversing with me as if to a demon. Unbecoming.

Your explanation is in post #322.

#322. What about it. We are on the same page with 1 John 1:8

 

[CharismaticLady]

Examine yourself.

Show me what scripture I am using that doesn't mean what we BOTH think it means? What scripture do you believe doesn't mean what it says, where you and I differ.

If you can't, then your attack against me was wrong in the first place.

 

[Nancy]

Then there is the next verse:

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Who is the "us and our" stated there?

Maybe it is just how one interprets "sin"? Is it a sin to not immediately forgive one who hurt you? Or, does it take a daily surrender- for however long, to actually be able to say it and mean it from the heart? If it is not from the heart when we initially forgive that person, is that sin? Is it being hypocritical to say "I forgive you" from our lips yet still hold discontent in our hearts? IMHO it is a process...and His will IS that we honestly forgive others.
In Him,
nancy

 

[ScottA]

#322. What about it. We are on the same page with 1 John 1:8

That's only half.

Cut the attitude, and come back when you can reconcile both verses.

 

[CharismaticLady]

That's only half.

Cut the attitude, and come back when you can reconcile both verses.

Show me what scripture I am using that doesn't mean what you think it means?

 

[CharismaticLady]

That's only half.

Cut the attitude, and come back when you can reconcile both verses.

Show me what you mean. What "both" verses. Just spit it out.

 

[ScottA]

Show me what scripture I am using that doesn't mean what you think it means?

The problem is you are NOT using the verses that I presented to you.

If you would like to try to reconcile them, they are: 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:6.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The problem is you are NOT using the verses that I presented to you.

If you would like to try to reconcile them, they are: 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:6.

1 John 1:8 is someone walking in darkness and doesn't know it. They don't believe their sins are really sin, because they don't have the Spirit of Truth in them. They are not saved. That is the same for verses 6 and 10 also.

1 John 3:9 is someone who has been born again of the Spirit of God, and because of the seed of the Father in them they cannot commit willful sins of lawlessness from the context of verse 4.

How does that differ from what you believe?

 

[ScottA]

1 John 1:8 is someone walking in darkness and doesn't know it. They don't believe their sins are really sin, because they don't have the Spirit of Truth in them. They are not saved. That is the same for verses 6 and 10 also.

1 John 3:9 is someone who has been born again of the Spirit of God, and because of the seed of the Father in them they cannot commit willful sins of lawlessness from the context of verse 4.

How does that differ from what you believe?

Here are the two verses I presented:

1 John 1:8
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

1 John 3:6
"Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him."

Okay, so you have explained them to be speaking to two different groups of people (which I said). Why then, did you post:

Then why say our future sins are forgiven, if you don't believe that yourself. Do you know that only our past sins are cleansed? Adding to scripture "present and future sin" are already forgiven such as future murder, is error. And even you know that.

...as if to say that both the sinner and those born again are subject to "present and future sin?"

 

[CharismaticLady]

1 John 1:8
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

1 John 3:6
"Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him."

Okay, so you have explained them to be speaking to two different groups of people (which I said). Why then, did you post:
...as if to say that both the sinner and those born again are subject to "present and future sin?"

I didn't. What Dove said was our "past, present, and future" sins are forgiven. I told him only our "past" sins are forgiven and then we don't sin again. He said something similar, so I asked him then WHY then does he say our "future" sins are forgiven when he himself doesn't believe we will sin. It was a question for him to change his vernacular to the truth. No where in the Bible does it say our "present and future" sins are continually forgiven as we commit them, so don't add those words.

 

[CharismaticLady]

@ScottA

Well?