None of your examples illustrates that any person's free will is "taken away". But it is true that we can surrender our wills either to God or to others. But that is still A CHOICE.
I gave a BRIEF comment.
I believe "IF" something is "OFFERED" to an other; for the other to "possess" what is offered....the other "TAKES" what is offered.
Regarding FREEWILL of a man...
The "FREEWILL" of man is Comprised of...
TWO components (so to speak).
THOUGHTS...
And
PHYSICAL...
And In that respect...
A man CAN "TAKE" from an other man (by agreement OR against the man "will"...
the FREEWILL thoughts of the other man;
...THROUGH (brainwashing, drugs, etc.)
AND
The FREEWILL physical restraint;
...THROUGH (binding, prison, etc.)
ALSO...the other man ... CAN himself AGREE,
(By his own CONSENT)...
TO GIVE permission for any OTHER MAN, to
"TAKE" the FREEWILL of the man...
THROUGH...
Brainwashing, drugs, binding, prison, etc.
[QUOTE}
God did not take away mankind's free will at any time. [/QUOTE]
Here I disagree...
I am an indiviudal...MY FREEWILL belongs to ME...
I can OFFER and GIVE MY FREEWILL "entirely" or "portionally" TO "ANYONE" to whom...
I Decide and Please to do so.
The whole Bible illustrates that. What we do see is men and women either surrendering their wills to God, or being self-willed.
Here you use the WORD, "SURRENDER"...
That applies TO ONE, (in this scenario, the FREEWILL belongs to the individual.."surrendering".)
{And this is the Complication of these kinds of discussions...pointing out ....
There IS NO surrendering, giving, taking...
WITHOUT consideration, OF MORE THAN ONE PARTY....exercising their freewill or being forced).
So...the "individual" "surrenders"...
THEN WHAT? Which is the POINT...
The "THEN WHAT"...is the "SURRENDER" means NOTHING....if the other party...who is GOD, does not THEN..."TAKE" what the man surrendered!
It the same concept...Jesus came to Earth...
AND "OFFERED" eternal LIFE to the WHOLE world...
Jesus' "OFFERING"...was FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON every naturally born, or to be born upon the face of this Earth.
Jesus' "OFFERING"...IS FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON...TO DO WHAT? "TAKE" what Jesus OFFERED...(or NOT TAKE IT).
Was what Jesus' OFFERED..."forced" on every person? No.
Was what Jesus' OFFERED..."given" for every person? Yes.
And...does Every person HAVE the FREEWILL to "TAKE" or "REJECT" Jesus' offering? Yes
That IS THE POINT...
MEN can FORCE men to have their "freewill" thoughts altered.
MEN can FORCE men to have their "freewill" actions altered.
Thee Lord God "OFFERS"...
For God to give a man greater thoughts/truths than the natural man possesses.
And
For God to give a man a forever
Life regardless of his natural bodily life being sentenced to die.
God "OFFERS"...and the individual man WHO "FREELY", by his OWN "FREEWILL" elects and chooses TO "accept" and "take" Gods "OFFERING"...
THEN...Gods OFFERING SHALL Be GIVEN that individual.
And GOD SHALL "TAKE" what the man "SURRENDERED". (Gave to God).
You may not like the Word "TAKE"...
However...regarding the TWO PARTIES...
OF
God and man,
It is precisely about FREEWILL of the man to first learn of the Lord, and the Lords OFFERING, and FREELY CHOOSE....to consider, accept or reject, Gods offering...
And
The man FREELY CHOOSING to Offer God what the man possesses...TO OFFER.
Point being...
An OFFERING, (of one party to an other party) MUST BE "TAKEN", (by an other party), for the OFFERING TO BE "effected".
And the Offering, and Taking...is per the FREEWILL of the one party OFFERING, and the FREEWILL of the other party TAKING.
And that which ALSO ties into to this;
IS
Temptations......AND......Warnings.
That being;
Men are WARNED...to be INFORMED and CAUTIOUS....of
WHO is offering WHAT...BEFORE a man "AGREES" to freely Accept what is "OFFERED", and agree to "GIVE" what is of his own TO GIVE.
And the person who originated this thread has still not publicly admitted that he has submitted to the Word of God (many Scriptures given) and rejected this FALSE DOCTRINE of no free will.
I don't know the person who started this thread. I also do not know his convictions.
Glory to God,
Taken