Calvinism

[Waiting on him]

The Son had plenty of Glory before He started. This plan was because they love us....you know the God so love the world...thing.
Plans of God.....a puppet show....you have be kidding me if you believe that!

Which world is He referring too. This world or the one without end you do know He’s the creator of the worlds I’m sure?

 

[Grailhunter]

Which world is He referring too. This world or the one without end you do know He’s the creator of the worlds I’m sure?

You cannot figure out what John chapter 3 means? Do you have a low opinion of God? Or yourself?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Exactly. What is so hard for people to understand? I find when tempted to do something wrong to view it as a choice between good and evil; I think of something good to do instead of dwelling on the evil I'm tempted by. What the devil meant for harm can be used to remind us to do good.

If it weren't for the old devil I bet you'd never sin.

 

[Waiting on him]

I wonder when a Calvinist reads Revelation 22:11 if they think all four categories are in heaven, or as I believe are split between hell and heaven?

Something has been bothering me, you and I had a conversation on this forum some time ago, where you were explaining to me that God answers all your prayers. You said you were engaging in an affair with a married man and that you couldn’t resist him or him you, so you prayed to God and he gave this non Christian married man the strength to leave you. Do you remember our conversation? If so when was this? If you don’t choose to answer I’ll understand.

 

[Waiting on him]

You cannot figure out what John chapter 3 means? Do you have a low opinion of God? Or yourself?

I am nothing.

 

[John Caldwell]

Has anyone else noticed that anyone who disagrees with @Steve Owen , @David Taylor , @Anthony D'Arienzo , and @Preacher4Truth is automatically "snide" or something like that?

I am starting to think it is not a coincidence Steve and David came here at the same time to join the hyper-Calvinists in their agenda (especially since they are so intimate on other forums).

 

[John Caldwell]

Well stop making the distinction then and call it a doctrine.

Do you believe all of the theories of Atonement should be called "doctrines" or just the one(s) you hold?

But it makes no sense without Penal Substitution.

This should read to you. It (the atonement) makes no sense without Penal SubstitutIon TO YOU. Most Christians throughout history and alive today have not shared your problem.

The Bible tells us that 'God set Him [Christ] forth as a propitiation [a sacrifice that turns away wrath] by His blood through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness' (Romans 3:25-26).

Yes. God set forth Jesus Christ, His Son, as a propitiation (which is a sacrifice that turns away wrath, as Scripture states, we escape the wrath to come), by His blood through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness (which Paul states is the righteousness of God apart from the law, not worked through it).

Psalm 7:11 tells us that 'God is a just Judge; and God is angry with the wicked every day.'

Yep. And we cannot pick and choose. The acuital of the wicked and the condemnation of the righteous are both abominations to God.

So how is God's anger propitiated?

So how is God's anger propitiated?

'Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows

Yes. Christ has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows - this from the manger to the cross.

steemed Him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted.

Yes. Scripture is clear that “we” considered Christ stricken and afflicted by God when in fact (pay attention to the actual text and the language) He was healing us as the strickennes and affliction (the “sickness”) was ours and not his.

But He was wounded for our iniquities, the chastisement for our peace was upon Him

Exactly. Chastisement is another word for discipline - NOT “punishment”. In Hebrews and Proverbs we read that God chastises NOT the wicked but those He loves. In fact, Scripture tells us it is through this chastisement that we know we are not illegitimate.

Does God chastise you, Steve?

Who transferred our iniquities to Christ? 'And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all

The Lord lay the iniquity of us all on Christ. Have you not read? It’s right there (right after your commentary).

Who punished Him? 'Yet is pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief'

According to Scripture wicked men punished Him but they could be forgiven because they did not know what they were doing and it was according to the will and plan of the Father. It pleased God to bruise Him and he has put Him to grief. This, of course, is not Penal Substitution (although I suspect some may read it into the text….i.e., eisegesis).

How can God be just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness?

Scripture does not ask that question. Scripture states that this is what God does. Why do you question God?

Anyway, just because Scripture does not ask that question does not mean it does not give you the answer. It is appointed man once to die and then the Judgment. There is no condemnation in Christ. It is not a matter of God punishing our sins but of God making us a new creation in Christ.


I think you would do better to read more of the Bible and less of your commentaries, Steve.

 

[CharismaticLady]

So... What you are saying is that in order to make heresy, all I have to do is completely change the person any given verse refers to?

Ok, awesome! Every verse about sinners now refers to everyone BUT me! There!

See, your logic is so flawed; it is all too easy to whip up a thousand new heresies just holding to your logic!

This is page two and the second response to this post of yours. Here I want to show you the same Semitic writing style of contrasts that John used in 1 John 3. It shows which are of the devil and which are of Jesus. Now even though this letter/epistle is written to Christians as Calvinists love to point out, John is still showing the contrast between those of Jesus and saved, and those in darkness and of the devil. These are contrasts of thought, not verses, as verse numbering is of man.

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.


7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.


13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.


16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?


18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.


24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[Grailhunter]

I am nothing.

So do you think God would make a plan to send people to hell and make a the world a puppet show. If you do not have free-will you are an it. A puppet on a string. A child of God has free-will. An the nothing that you are, He felt enough for to be nailed to a cross. You make Him so mindless.

 

[Waiting on him]

So do you think God would make a plan to send people to hell and make a the world a puppet show. If you do not have free-will you are an it. A puppet on a string. A child of God has free-will. An the nothing that you are, He felt enough for to be nailed to a cross. You make Him so mindless.

It was out of hell I cried out.

 

[John Caldwell]

I wonder when a Calvinist reads Revelation 22:11 if they think all four categories are in heaven, or as I believe are split between hell and heaven?

Many Calvinists don't read Scripture. They search it for proof texts to support their theories.

 

[Grailhunter]

It was out of hell I cried out.

Is that the problem? Really? Is Satan whispering in your ear?

 

[Waiting on him]

Is that the problem? Really? Is Satan whispering in your ear?

No. I believe he’s tickling yours, otherwise God would show you your true state.

 

[Waiting on him]

Is that the problem? Really? Is Satan whispering in your ear?

The fact you argue it, shows me He has not chosen to.

 

[Waiting on him]

Same with the raccoon

 

[Grailhunter]

The fact you argue it, shows me He has not chosen to.

People with troubles are particularly susceptible to cult Techniques. So?

 

[Waiting on him]

People with troubles are particularly susceptible to cult Techniques. So?

1 Timothy 1:16 KJV
[16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

It’s why I bare with you.
Tecarta Bible

 

[Waiting on him]

People with troubles are particularly susceptible to cult Techniques. So?

I’m not troubled. Christ stands with me

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

John Caldwell,

Has anyone else noticed that anyone who disagrees with @Steve Owen , @David Taylor , @Anthony D'Arienzo , and @Preacher4Truth is automatically "snide" or something like that?

Have you read the gracious comments that are offered to us? Some here love Calvinists as much as you do.

I am starting to think it is not a coincidence Steve and David came here at the same time to join the hyper-Calvinists in their agenda (especially since they are so intimate on other forums).

No one here is a hyper Calvinist. You cannot resist lying and making false accusations can you?
Show one hyper Calvinist post. It is abundantly clear you do not know what you are talking about. You exist to bear false witness, but now we are holding you accountable for your lies for everyone to see.

 

[Grailhunter]

I’m not troubled. Christ stands with me

Cool. So lets find out what you think of Christ's planning.