Homosexual Church Dream

[Heart2Soul]

I am surprised to hear you make this comment H2S. This is not about self exaltation. This is about getting a healthy perspective.

Well I was surprised of how you could compare your ability to refrain from sin as something that everyone should be able to do...
So perspective can be a dangerous opportunity for the enemy to use to deceive even ourselves.
But as to what I said...I did try to say it lightly and in fun but true fun...
And that was how my perception of your response came across...
Texts and emails cause alot of misunderstandings because it's hard to know the tone or intent of the message at times....especially if you don't know the person very well.

 

[shnarkle]

I give up shnarkle.

It's about time. You don't have an argument to begin with.

I would appreciate it if you take that misquote of mine, out of your signature.

Why does it bother you? Are you beginning to see the error of your ways?

I said that, that was the sentiment in the two cases, which it was.

It's pure nonsense, and you know it. More than a few people on this board have pointed out that the sin of Sodom was their lack of consideration for strangers, and yet this blatant fact has sailed right over you repeatedly. Why am I not surprised?

The fact that they made the proposal, showed that in their eyes it was more egregious to perform one act, than the other.

it showed why Lot was saved rather than the rest of the inhabitants of Sodom.

In the case of Judges 19, they actually did give up the concubine to the rapists.

And you take comfort in that fact, don't you?

That's all that my point was, it was an implicit passage revealing that the common sentiment of the time was homosexuality, in any context, was worse than a heterosexual act, in the same context, either rape or consent.

it shows a profound ignorance not only of the text itself, but an incomprehensible lack of common sense. The story is explicitly about two angels who are about to rain down fiery brimstone upon the entire community, and you think they're concerned about being gang raped? They shut the door on them, and sent them into a blind stupor before utterly destroying them. Yeah, but it's really all about how raping women is preferable to sodomy with angels.

It was a supplementary point to my other, more explicit and fundamental arguments against homosexuality.

You're not making any points. You're blathering on about how raping women is preferable to raping men. Nine out of ten rapists agree with you. The tenth is probably a homosexual.

I care not to engage with you anymore because I find you too difficult,

Perhaps it's my rejection of all forms of rape that confuses you? Or is it that I don't have a double standard?

and I will report you if you don't take that misquote out of your signature!

Go for it. I don't see how it violates any rules. Which rule have I violated? Perhaps if you retracted such an blatantly misogynistic claim from your post, I might think about it. Pardon me if I find your inability to see that your comment may land you in more trouble than me, a bit ironic. Better yet, perhaps I may just report you instead for posting it in the first place.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I am surprised to hear you make this comment H2S. This is not about self exaltation. This is about getting a healthy perspective.

Please forgive me...I really don't care to attack people when they share their thoughts or beliefs...but I also care enough about them to help them see through the eyes of Jesus.....for while we were yet sinners He died for us....or at least consider that some people have demonic spirits who keep them bound and captive to the point that they cry out and pray to be delivered....to be set free from the chains that Satan has bound them with.

 

[shnarkle]

I admitted to him that years ago I was homophobic...I was so afraid if one touched me that the demon would transfer to me....very bad teaching from the pulpit back then...and I remember the pastor saying it was a demonic spirit controlling this desire.
I do believe demons can attach themselves to our flesh and cause us to become bound up in fleshly lusts....even people who obsessively perform acts such as washing there hands constantly because of their fear of germs are supposedly bound by a controlling spirit...

When I was a freshman in college, there was a senior who was openly gay. He wasn't engaging in any sexual activity though. He didn't have a boyfriend, and didn't seem interested in sex, but he didn't care if anyone knew he was gay. He let people know he was gay because he didn't want women getting the wrong idea. He didn't want them to be misled by their own ideas. He was extremely cool, and quite popular. He wasn't a militant homosexual, or flamboyant either. He was just a really cool guy. Everybody liked him.

There was another guy in my freshman class who was just plain weird. I didn't like the guy much at all. His roommate was quite effeminate, and a nice guy who got along with anyone and everyone. The guy I wasn't interested in was at work one day, and some guy came in, and started chatting him up, then he came back later and gave him a dozen roses. This went on for a while until he discovered that he might be gay. He came out, and his roommate became quite disturbed by this revelation. The reason being that he wasn't gay, but everyone might think he was because his roommate was now openly gay. It was really bizarre because the effeminate roommate wanted to get out of there as soon as possible, not because he didn't had a problem with homosexuals, but because he just didn't like the idea of people thinking he was gay, even though people probably thought he was gay just because he was so effeminate. He was really unsettled by the whole thing.

Then I began to wonder if I might have somehow sensed that this now openly gay man was someone I didn't like because my gaydar detected it before he did. I eventually determined that the guy was just a bozo, and I didn't like the guy simply because he was a bozo. It had nothing to do with the fact that he was gay.

Later I started working for a gay couple, and they both came down with full blown AIDS. It was ghastly and tragic to watch them both waste away. Well actually I only saw one waste away. The other one developed a brain tumor, and went crazy. Later I rented rooms out to people, and a bisexual showed up. He seemed like the most normal decent human being you can imagine. He was a nurse at the local hospital, and was snatching drugs from the medicine cabinet. He had a huge open sore on his knee which was one of the locations where he would inject his dope. It was really gross because he would play with it. He'd rub it, and it looked like he was fondling it. He was so far gone, it was pathetic. He eventually lost complete control of his sphincter from ramming so much junk up his can that he had to wear diapers. Living in California was a non stop freak show.

I left California ten years ago, and I feel like Lot spared from Sodom. When I left, the entire sky was black with smoke all the way to the Arizona border. That disease infested hell hole is still burning.

 

[Heart2Soul]

When I was a freshman in college, there was a senior who was openly gay. He wasn't engaging in any sexual activity though. He didn't have a boyfriend, and didn't seem interested in sex, but he didn't care if anyone knew he was gay. He let people know he was gay because he didn't want women getting the wrong idea. He didn't want them to be misled by their own ideas. He was extremely cool, and quite popular. He wasn't a militant homosexual, or flamboyant either. He was just a really cool guy. Everybody liked him.

There was another guy in my freshman class who was just plain weird. I didn't like the guy much at all. His roommate was quite effeminate, and a nice guy who got along with anyone and everyone. The guy I wasn't interested in was at work one day, and some guy came in, and started chatting him up, then he came back later and gave him a dozen roses. This went on for a while until he discovered that he might be gay. He came out, and his roommate became quite disturbed by this revelation. The reason being that he wasn't gay, but everyone might think he was because his roommate was now openly gay. It was really bizarre because the effeminate roommate wanted to get out of there as soon as possible, not because he didn't had a problem with homosexuals, but because he just didn't like the idea of people thinking he was gay, even though people probably thought he was gay just because he was so effeminate. He was really unsettled by the whole thing.

Then I began to wonder if I might have somehow sensed that this now openly gay man was someone I didn't like because my gaydar detected it before he did. I eventually determined that the guy was just a bozo, and I didn't like the guy simply because he was a bozo. It had nothing to do with the fact that he was gay.

Later I started working for a gay couple, and they both came down with full blown AIDS. It was ghastly and tragic to watch them both waste away. Well actually I only saw one waste away. The other one developed a brain tumor, and went crazy. Later I rented rooms out to people, and a bisexual showed up. He seemed like the most normal decent human being you can imagine. He was a nurse at the local hospital, and was snatching drugs from the medicine cabinet. He had a huge open sore on his knee which was one of the locations where he would inject his dope. It was really gross because he would play with it. He'd rub it, and it looked like he was fondling it. He was so far gone, it was pathetic. He eventually lost complete control of his sphincter from ramming so much junk up his can that he had to wear diapers. Living in California was a non stop freak show.

I left California ten years ago, and I feel like Lot spared from Sodom. When I left, the entire sky was black with smoke all the way to the Arizona border. That disease infested hell hole is still burning.

Wow...yes California has a reputation for its perverted lifestyle's and it just draws the foulest of perverse demons and liberal beliefs....I have seen posts of people who have had their appearance surgically changed into whatever animal they admire or worship.....sick people...very sick people in the world today.

 

[shnarkle]

Wow...yes California has a reputation for its perverted lifestyle's and it just draws the foulest of perverse demons and liberal beliefs....I have seen posts of people who have had their appearance surgically changed into whatever animal they admire or worship.....sick people...very sick people in the world today.

There's a documentary movie out called "The Bridge". The Golden Gate Bridge has become one of the preeminent destinations to kill oneself. It's a startling documentary because this film crew set up their cameras and watched the bridge for a year, and documented everyone that jumped off it. There's a scene where one guy is walking along wearing a hard hat and reflective vest. He looks just like he's working for Caltrans. He was one of the more serious jumpers. He just saunters over the railing and immediately leaps off into the abyss. If anyone is ever contemplating suicide, this movie would be inspiring.

I can't remember when it happened exactly, but I think it was somewhere around the 80's when the police were basically told to stand down when it came to anyone openly engaging in lewd behavior out in the open. When they have their gay pride parade, they are all out running around naked sodomizing each other out in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

Back in the 70's and 80's there were so many people dying that a lot of heterosexual families were moving back into the Castro, but when they had the parades, they would have to take their families out of the City for the day because it was just too insane for words.

The thing that freaked me out was just how desensitized I had become living there. I grew up there, and it happened so suddenly, but I just had to live with it until I suddenly realized that I was living in the middle of rapidly overflowing toilet.

People are talking about the most disgusting behaviors like it's fashionable, and all you can do is nod and pretend it's perfectly normal. I moved all the way across the country to Florida. I'm deep into the bible belt, and when I first moved here, I would tell people back in California that on Sunday mornings, there are sheriffs officers out all over the county directing traffic to and from church. The big churches have to have officers out directing traffic between services. These aren't little po-dunk churches on dirt roads either. These are practically mega churches on four lane highways. Everyone I tell that to just can't believe it. They're astounded.

I go to church, and the feeling of gratitude I have at being able to sit in a church full of normal people is overwhelming. The first year I was here, I would sometimes involuntarily start to weep because every single person in the church looked like a normal human being. No one was dressed in drag. No one was wearing prison tattoos, or had a bunch of holes in their face. No prostitutes advertising weekend rates etc.

The really crazy thing is that as freaky as people were inside churches in the City, the militant homosexuals are outside protesting.

This was years ago, and it's only gotten worse since then.

 

[Heart2Soul]

There's a documentary movie out called "The Bridge". The Golden Gate Bridge has become one of the preeminent destinations to kill oneself. It's a startling documentary because this film crew set up their cameras and watched the bridge for a year, and documented everyone that jumped off it. There's a scene where one guy is walking along wearing a hard hat and reflective vest. He looks just like he's working for Caltrans. He was one of the more serious jumpers. He just saunters over the railing and immediately leaps off into the abyss. If anyone is ever contemplating suicide, this movie would be inspiring.

I can't remember when it happened exactly, but I think it was somewhere around the 80's when the police were basically told to stand down when it came to anyone openly engaging in lewd behavior out in the open. When they have their gay pride parade, they are all out running around naked sodomizing each other out in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

Back in the 70's and 80's there were so many people dying that a lot of heterosexual families were moving back into the Castro, but when they had the parades, they would have to take their families out of the City for the day because it was just too insane for words.

The thing that freaked me out was just how desensitized I had become living there. I grew up there, and it happened so suddenly, but I just had to live with it until I suddenly realized that I was living in the middle of rapidly overflowing toilet.

People are talking about the most disgusting behaviors like it's fashionable, and all you can do is nod and pretend it's perfectly normal. I moved all the way across the country to Florida. I'm deep into the bible belt, and when I first moved here, I would tell people back in California that on Sunday mornings, there are sheriffs officers out all over the county directing traffic to and from church. The big churches have to have officers out directing traffic between services. These aren't little po-dunk churches on dirt roads either. These are practically mega churches on four lane highways. Everyone I tell that to just can't believe it. They're astounded.

I go to church, and the feeling of gratitude I have at being able to sit in a church full of normal people is overwhelming. The first year I was here, I would sometimes involuntarily start to weep because every single person in the church looked like a normal human being. No one was dressed in drag. No one was wearing prison tattoos, or had a bunch of holes in their face. No prostitutes advertising weekend rates etc.

The really crazy thing is that as freaky as people were inside churches in the City, the militant homosexuals are outside protesting.

This was years ago, and it's only gotten worse since then.

I have lived in Oklahoma all my life and have never experienced any personal encounters with these type of people...never knew of anyone being gay....then in the 80's (oh that was in the 60's and 70's in the prior sentence)...I had 2 1st cousins come out of the closet....came to learn that a classmate of mine and who was in my circle of people I liked to hang around came out...and in the 90's attended an Alumni Reunion and 3 more classmates were openly gay...
So unless they purposely put on that "gay" persona or outright admit it you cannot tell the difference between hetero or homo....that made me begin to think and wonder how many and who in our community that were leaders in the churches might also have been secretly gay but are now openly admitting it with a sense of pride and are still ministering in the church....
The line has to be drawn somewhere but our Supreme Court Judges can only support the constitutional rights of everyone....they can't rule in favor of what scripture says.....they can't change the laws...they can only judge according to what is written in the constitution.
That is how 1 woman by the name of Madame O'Hare was able to get the Supreme Court to rule in her favor because prayer in schools violated her atheism belief and that it was violating her constitutional rights based on freedom of religion and that is when the wheels began to turn and within a decade the Supreme Court was forced to rule in favor of anything that was put before them if they had proved their rights have been suppressed.....so here we are today unable to deter far left/radical lifestyles from becoming the norm in society....and other such groups....ironically the courts are starting rule against Christian's rights....a girl at school wore a shirt that illustrated a picture of Christ and under it a bible scripture....she was forced to go home and change it.

 

[shnarkle]

So unless they purposely put on that "gay" persona or outright admit it you cannot tell the difference between hetero or homo....that made me begin to think and wonder how many and who in our community that were leaders in the churches might also have been secretly gay but are now openly admitting it with a sense of pride and are still ministering in the church....

The novelty is wearing off for a lot of people. In California, it's passe to be gay or a feminist etc. Narcissism is king so most people simply don't care what sort of deviant behavior anyone else is into unless it benefits them personally.

a girl at school wore a shirt that illustrated a picture of Christ and under it a bible scripture....she was forced to go home and change it.

In Oklahoma??? What is wrong with you people? I can see something like that going on in California, but OK is flyover country. I didn't think OK would be infected with that nonsense already.

I have a few religious T shirts. One of my favorites is Peter's surf shop. It's got a surf board with the inscription: "Keep the Son in your eyes". Another one I wear occasionally got under my own mother's skin. She doesn't like it. She doesn't like anything about it. She thinks it's in bad taste. Here's what it looks like:

His pain your gain is on the back. The slogan: "Bench press this"! is pretty bold. I probably don't wear it as much as I should. It always gets a lot of attention.

 

[quietthinker]

Please forgive me...I really don't care to attack people when they share their thoughts or beliefs...but I also care enough about them to help them see through the eyes of Jesus.....for while we were yet sinners He died for us....or at least consider that some people have demonic spirits who keep them bound and captive to the point that they cry out and pray to be delivered....to be set free from the chains that Satan has bound them with.

I can understand that...no problems. I will however call sin by its rightful name, particular popular ones when they cover themselves with the blanket of innocence.
To him who overcomes Jesus says, will I give the right to the tree of life.

 

[Earburner]

Had the strangest dream this morning, though I'm just getting the chance to post about it now. Maybe this came up in my dreams because we'd been discussing a vision recently that says there will eventually be a homosexual Christian congregation in nearly every major city in America. There are already over 8,000 LGBT-affirming congregations in North America alone.

Anyway, I'm posting to ask how everyone would respond to the following line of preaching. In the dream, this homosexual minister was trying to convince me from scripture that I should actually try the lifestyle. I had zero interest, but I was trying to be polite so as to reach him with the truth. But suddenly the scene changed and I was in the middle of this sparsely-membered congregation where he was now preaching. The message he was preaching centered around Acts 14:27 I believe, and how God had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles, who (by insinuation) were practicing homosexuality. He then turned to the congregation and asked, "Should we not then open the door to everyone?" or in other words be all-inclusive. He was using this message as a defense for homosexuals to be admitted into the body of Christ yet be accepted for practicing their lifestyle without need of repentance.

Who knows if they will use such an argument. Maybe they are already. But the question is: How would you respond to this line of argument, and/or what do you believe would be the best way to counter it and expose it for being false (if you do indeed believe it to be false).

There are no wrong or right answers here. Just curious to see what responses I would get. I know what mine would be, but I'll withhold it for now.

Blessings in Christ.

I suppose the best question to ask one's self is:
What's the difference between a GOOD sinner and a BAD sinner?

My line of thinking is in the following verses, of which each are interconnected, and should be read as a whole:
Rom. 7[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Mat. 5[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

John 3:18[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Gal. 5[4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal. 3[22] But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

 

[Hidden In Him]

No, my point was that if it has to be taught, then it's not derived from admiration and affection. It should never be mechanical and about the organs, it's about the person.

That I certainly agree with. Very well put.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I suppose the best question to ask one's self is:
What's the difference between a GOOD sinner and a BAD sinner?

My line of thinking is in the following verses, of which each are interconnected, and should be read as a whole:
Rom. 7[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Mat. 5[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

John 3:18[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Gal. 5[4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal. 3[22] But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Hmm... I'm thinking the homosexual Christian would likely claim all these verses for himself as well, or is that your point?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Now this is a well-constructed argument, with full scripture quotations provided I might add : )

I noticed you stayed away from using the "natural" vs. "unnatural" argument, which they usually counter by simply saying that that was how the culture of the times looked at it.

This is instead basing the argument squarely on OT texts that do not even so much as mention homosexual relations in the context of creation.

I'd give this one the winner of the thread so far : )
Granted, I only outlined mine to another poster without fully presenting it scripturally.

Thanks, HiH

This is what I believe the Holy Spirit showed me years ago while reading those verses in Matthew, so it's what I go with. It's important to go back to the beginning and understand God's design for sex.

 

[Heart2Soul]

The novelty is wearing off for a lot of people. In California, it's passe to be gay or a feminist etc. Narcissism is king so most people simply don't care what sort of deviant behavior anyone else is into unless it benefits them personally.




In Oklahoma??? What is wrong with you people? I can see something like that going on in California, but OK is flyover country. I didn't think OK would be infected with that nonsense already.

I have a few religious T shirts. One of my favorites is Peter's surf shop. It's got a surf board with the inscription: "Keep the Son in your eyes". Another one I wear occasionally got under my own mother's skin. She doesn't like it. She doesn't like anything about it. She thinks it's in bad taste. Here's what it looks like:

View attachment 8105His pain your gain is on the back. The slogan: "Bench press this"! is pretty bold. I probably don't wear it as much as I should. It always gets a lot of attention.

I honestly can't remember where the girl went to school....I saw it on the news and I don't remember what state this was in....I don't think it was in Oklahoma though.
As far as Oklahoma becoming like California to some degree....well I was informed a few years ago that Tulsa, Oklahoma was the gay capital of the USA.....imagine that as it is also the religious capital of the Bible Belt:
Oral Roberts, Richard Roberts, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, T.L. Osborn, Billy Joe Daugherty, Carlton Pearson (who has since defected)....just to name a few...but all these have/had mega churches and world wide missions.

 

[Earburner]

Hmm... I'm thinking the homosexual Christian would likely claim all these verses for himself as well, or is that your point?

My point was:
"What's the difference between a GOOD sinner and a BAD sinner?"
Ans. In comparison to the Righteousness of Christ (as opposed to ours by the Law), there is no such thing as a "good" sinner. We are either a "new creature" in Christ, or we are not! Romans 8:9.

God has declared that we all are equally sinful, to whatever degree the Law declares. "There are none that doeth good, no, not one". Romans 3:12

 

[GISMYS_7]

Those Living in Sick Minded Sexual Perversion Hate Paul's Bible Books!

Those Living in the Sick,
Demon Inspired Abomination of Sexual Perversion Hate Paul's Bible Books!
1Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor homosexuals , nor nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Can you even imagne the huge load guilt and shame this lying sick minded sexual pervert must carry??

I knew a "guy" in HS. he later went to a bible school and married a christian girl they had four kids and he became a church pastor but when he was in his mid 40"s he told his loving wife ,"I want a divorse as I want to live as a homosexual" his wife was devastated the oldest child is in therapy for deep depression the youngest child fired a bullet through the bedroom wall while thinking about suicide, another kid is now huge overweight the other kid is living with her boyfriend and says, "who can I trust"?? not my father who is also my pastor. Lives ruined in shame and guilt all for what??? the sick minded abomination of demon inspired burning lust of sexual perversion.==Sad!! and still the pervert asks Who does my choice to live in sin hurt??? Beware! Those that choose to live in sick minded abomination of sexual perversion will not inherit the kingdom of God!!
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's not just backwards, it's infidelity. He says to the women crying, "Don't cry for me. Mourn for those who are with child when I return". When the husband returns from preparing the home for his blushing bride, a child in her arms is not what he's going to want to see.

Good point and something to be considered. Trying to put in perspective all you’ve shared even earlier in this thread. I did also read your recent new thread concerning the Law. Ask your input on James 4:11-12 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. [12] There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

He that speaks evil of his brother...judges his brother and speaks evil of the law, and judges the law. If you are a judge then you are not a doer of the law but instead a judge that speaks evil of the law. That is scary.

 

[shnarkle]

My point was:
"What's the difference between a GOOD sinner and a BAD sinner?"
Ans. In comparison to the Righteousness of Christ (as opposed to ours by the Law), there is no such thing as a "good" sinner. We are either a "new creature" in Christ, or we are not! Romans 8:9.

God has declared that we all are equally sinful, to whatever degree the Law declares. "There are none that doeth good, no, not one". Romans 3:12

Well put. A mother Teresa is just as rotten as a Hitler or a Stalin in comparison to God. Telling a homosexual they can't be admitted into a church is complete nonsense, and the epitome of hypocrisy.

 

[shnarkle]

Good point and something to be considered. Trying to put in perspective all you’ve shared even earlier in this thread. I did also read your recent new thread concerning the Law. Ask your input on James 4:11-12 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. [12] There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

He that speaks evil of his brother...judges his brother and speaks evil of the law, and judges the law. If you are a judge then you are not a doer of the law but instead a judge that speaks evil of the law. That is scary.

Perhaps you might present some example of what you're referring to. People are discussing the issue of homosexuality, and whether or not homosexuals should be allowed into church. How is that not judging the homosexual? How does the homosexual enter in without being judged? There are a number of people who have been quite vocal about judging them, even pointing out that they're already damned. I'm not one of those saying that so I don't know why you're asking me this in the first place.

I'm pointing out that to allow or excuse one abomination while forbidding another is blatant hypocrisy.

Unlike just about everyone else on this site, I am consistent in my reasoning. I have no double standard. I'm not the one playing with unequal weights here.

Again, as I pointed out already, whatever reasoning one can come up with to excuse their violation of the 4th, 7th, etc. commandments can be used to excuse homosexuality as well as any other forms of deviant behavior.

Where's the judgment there? I'm only pointing out that anyone who forbids the pedophile, necrophiliac, etc. is a hypocrite, and employing a double standard in THEIR judgment.