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[BreadOfLife]

To the N.T. church??
Chapter and verse please.

First YOU show me that these statues commanded by God were "pagan".

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

[Truther]

Your ignorance ALWAYS precedes you . . .

There is not ONE SINGLE Biblical example of a Total Immersion Baptism in the NT. In fact – there is NO description of a Baptism in the Entire NT. For the details of Baptism, we defer to Tradition.
The First Century document, The Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles) is where we FIRST see the details of Baptism – and HOW to Baptize
The Didache - Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

Do your HOMEWORK, sparky . . .

PS - The Catholic Church does not now, nor has she EVER Baptized the dead.
Another one of your LIES exposed . . .

There is a RCC cemetery in my town.

All of their RCC brethren were buried 6 ft under.

Romans 6 says we are buried with Christ through baptism.

The RCC says we are sprinkled with Christ through baptism.

I like Romans 6 better.

 

[Truther]

Your ignorance ALWAYS precedes you . . .

There is not ONE SINGLE Biblical example of a Total Immersion Baptism in the NT. In fact – there is NO description of a Baptism in the Entire NT. For the details of Baptism, we defer to Tradition.
The First Century document, The Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles) is where we FIRST see the details of Baptism – and HOW to Baptize
The Didache - Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

Do your HOMEWORK, sparky . . .

PS - The Catholic Church does not now, nor has she EVER Baptized the dead.
Another one of your LIES exposed . . .

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:


38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


This is a lie?

Was this (infant)sprinkling?

 

[Truther]

Nope, and neither are ANY of the leaders of your quasi-Christian "Oneness" cult.

Ignatius was a student of the Apostle John and a witness of the first century Church.

You need to continue your pursuit of this man that never wrote any holy scripture.

No telling where he will take you.

 

[Truther]

First YOU show me that these statues commanded by God were "pagan".

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

The 10 commandments...



4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them....

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have a 6 part series from Sister Charlottes Testimony of rape rooms and baby dumps in lime pits under the convents in old Mexico that she was subjected to. The priests said their seed was the Holy Spirit seed and took her at 13 and raped her at will. She had no clue if it was right because of the torture and no access to the Bible.
She escaped and gave her testimony in hundreds of churches in the 60s and 70s.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Her parents turned her in and when they came for her, they brought her back to the convent, burnt her top off her and made her do penance for her sin of escaping.

Sick priests...

Uhhhhhh, “Sister” Charlotte’s – better known as Charlotte Keckler (NOT “Wells”, as she claimed) story is so full of gaping holes that it’s a wonder that gullible rubes like yourself still fall for this kind of tripe.

Let’s start with her blatant lies – then we’ll talk about her bizarre “un-Catholic” lingo and the fact that there is ZERO evidence to support her claims. In fact – there is NO evidence that she was ever even a baptized Catholic – let alone, a Carmelite nun.

ONE of her blatant lies was:
“You know a Roman Catholic can lie to you. And they don’t have to go to confession and tell the priest about the lie that they’ve told, because they’re lying to protect their faith. They can tell any lie they want to protect their faith and never go to the confessional box and tell the priest about it.”
Telling a lie – even it if it to promote a greater good is a SINFUL act, according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 2480).

- She also claimed that Catholics could steal $40 - without penalty of sin.
Another LIE, which is proven by the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 2401).

- She claimed that she was a Carmelite nun, which is a CLOISTERED order – but that she also did hospital work. There is NO such thing as a “part” time cloistered nun.

- She claimed that her convent had approximately 180 nuns.
Carmelite convents have a maximum of TWENTY nuns - NOT 180 as she claimed.

- She claimed that all of the “horrors” in her story went on behind the walls of her convent – yet NEVER revealed the NAME of the convent.

- She claimed in her story: “I’m not afraid of anybody in all of this world. I’m a child of God. And I believe God won’t let anybody put a hand on me until my work is finished.”
If she was so “unafraid” and convinced she was doing the right thing, WHY hider her name and the name of the supposed convent??

- Referring to the “Stations of the Cross” – the common name for the Catholic prayer commemorating the passion of our Lord – she referred to it as “the fourteen steps that Jesus carried the cross of Calvary”. There’s not a Catholic alive who would refer to it as this.

- Referring to “going to confession” – she referred to it as “going to confessional”.
Again – you won’t find a SINGLE Catholic pon planet earth who would refer to it as this.

Sounds like YOU’VE been HAD, sparky . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The 10 commandments...

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them....

Exod. 25:18-19
And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.

Num. 1:8-9
The LORD said to Moses, "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live." So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

YOUR turn, Einstein . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You need to continue your pursuit of this man that never wrote any holy scripture.

No telling where he will take you.

Like the leaders of your "Oneness" cult led YOU into heresy?

 

[BreadOfLife]

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
This is a lie?

Was this (infant)sprinkling?

Where does it say that they were "totally immersed"??
You don't walk "up" to a river - you walk down into a river, Einstein.

By the way, I'e NEVER seen a Baptism done by "sprinkling".
We either immerse or pour over the head as prescribed by the Didache . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is a RCC cemetery in my town.

All of their RCC brethren were buried 6 ft under.

Romans 6 says we are buried with Christ through baptism.

The RCC says we are sprinkled with Christ through baptism.

I like Romans 6 better.

Sooooo, burying people in the earth is wrong??

Chapter and Verse, Einstein . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

"The companies did not produce supporting documentation or a way to determine the reports’ credibility."

 

[justbyfaith]

How about the Bronze Serpent that God commanded Moses to create and place it on a pole so that those who gazed upon it would be healed? Was this “Pagan” – or was it pleasing to God, Einstein?

2Ki 18:4, He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Here, even the bronze snake on the pole had to be dealt with as an object of idolatrous worship.

Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that you keep calling @Truther Einstein and not me...

Don't you think of me as being as intelligent as him?

 

[RogerDC]

Does the Spirit of God teach us that smoking is fine?

There is no Scripture that says “Thou shalt not smoke”. That is a man-made law invented by your cult. I seem to recall that Jesus criticized the Pharisees for imposing their man-made laws on the people.

The mass perversion we know of is evidence of what I am saying.

“mass perversion”? The incidence of child sexual abuse within the Catholic Church is statistically no worse than its incidence in the general population.

 

[RogerDC]

The early church never demanded anyone, including ministry to be celibate.
Another church made that one up.

The fact remains that no Scripture says a man of God cannot be celibate, so the Church has the freedom to demand that priests be celibate. Jesus also gave the Catholic Church to make such decisions under the powers of binding and loosing (Matt 16).

Incidentally, the Catholic Church also recognizes the validity of the tradition of married priests practised by our brethren in the Eastern Rites of the Church (Presbyterorum Ordinis 16, 1965).

 

[RogerDC]

The way I have learned the difference between 'religion' and 'Jesus Christ' is that religion is man's attempt to reach and please God, whereas Jesus is God personally reaching down in His mercy and saving man.

Catholicism is the religion that Jesus Christ founded, through which God personally reaches down in His mercy and saves man.

 

[RogerDC]

Do me a favor, because you keep bringing this up:
Exegete John 20:21-23.
Let's see what your conclusion is . . .

Excellent point, BoL. When non-Catholics are asked to exegete John 20:21-23, they are clueless. They prefer to ignore that one and pretend it isn’t there. If they do venture an explanation, it is invariably as lame as. Only the Churches built on Apostolic Tradition (ie, Catholic and Orthodox) can offer a satisfactory explanation for that passage.

 

[RogerDC]

Why don’t Catholics remit sins like the Apostles did in Acts 2:38, but rather use a man in a black box to remit them?

Acts 2:38 refers to baptism. As far as I know, baptism allows the forgiveness of past sins only. Catholic confession (the Sacrament of Penance) allows the forgiveness of sins committed after baptism - “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1John 1:9).

The priest then represents Christ?Super creepy.

That is my understanding - the priest represents Christ.

Since you find that “Super creepy”, you have a problem, because it is actually super scriptural - John 20:21-23.

 

[RogerDC]

Jesus Christ did not make rotten grapes.
Jesus made fresh grapes in which folks had well enjoyed.

Is that what your cult teaches about what happened at the Cana wedding? My Bible says Jesus changed the water into “wine”, not grape juice - “wine” is alcoholic.

 

[RogerDC]

None.
The RCC teaches folks can drink.

So does the Bible

Then it teaches Jesus made alcohol

So does the Bible

...
and gave it to those that were already drunk.

The Bible doesn't say that. You made it up.

 

[RogerDC]

No, the Pope is controlled by demonic forces.

Only in the movies or in the minds of brainwashed fanatics and extremists or the mentally unstable.