The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

[RogerDC]

Study the tabernacle process, then sit in on a mass with both eyes open.
Then debunk what I said.

You made a claim that the RCC officially teaches, but you can't back up that claim with any proof in the form of an official document. All you can offer is your hate-inspired fantasies. You're a bs-artist and a bigot, in other words.

 

[RogerDC]

They repent and get renewed by praying in the Spirit per 1 Cor 14.
They must not stay in the carnal situation.

That better than nothing, I suppose, but the Lord provided a much better way to be forgiven, and it can only be found in the Catholic (and Orthodox) Church - see John 20:21-23

 

[RogerDC]

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I can't find smoking per se, but blowing smoke rings at someone we are witnessing to does not work.

That passage doesn't prohibit drinking alcohol - it prohibits drinking alcohol to the point of getting drunk. What sort of horrible God would ban a man form having a beer or two?!

You need to lighten up and get out of that oppressive cult you're in.

 

[RogerDC]

Exposing the RCC is not hating it.

It is educating the public.

You're like Saul of Tarsus, who thought he was doing God's work by persecuting God's Church.

 

[RogerDC]

Yup, and it's not for YOU to say who was Baptized with the Holy Spirit.
It's for GOD alone.

My experience with folks who belong to the "Baptized by the Holy Spirit" fringe is not good - let's just say it attracts more than its fair share of nutters.

 

[RogerDC]

Not according to FIRST century Bishop of Antico, Ignatius:

But … but … but the first Bishop of Antioch, Ignatius, isn't in the Bible - so what would he know?!

 

[prism]

Catholicism is the religion that Jesus Christ founded, through which God personally reaches down in His mercy and saves man.

Oh really? Sorry me, I didn't realize that we were saved by an 'ism'.

 

[justbyfaith]

so the Church has the freedom to demand that priests be celibate.

Thus inhibiting the freedom of the priests.

Catholicism is the religion that Jesus Christ founded, through which God personally reaches down in His mercy and saves man.

Certainly not through Mary's co-redemption!

If you do not hold the blood of Jesus Christ to be all-sufficient to bring forgiveness, your soul is in mortal danger.

Catholic confession (the Sacrament of Penance) allows the forgiveness of sins committed after baptism - “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1John 1:9).

Sins can be confessed to the Lord in heaven according to that verse...a priest isn't needed.

So does the Bible
So does the BibleThe Bible doesn't say that. You made it up.

Seems to me like you are justifying sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

That passage doesn't prohibit drinking alcohol - it prohibits drinking alcohol to the point of getting drunk.

If you are not drinking to get a buzz (i.e. to get drunk to a certain extent), drink coca-cola or some other beverage.

Drinking alcohol is too risky; and allowing the drinking of it is too risky...it most often ends up in alcoholism.

 

[Illuminator]

Sis Charlottes convent was found full of fetus remains and dead nuns.

Twice you brought up Sr. Charltotte.

Charlotte Keckler was a pseudonym used by a woman who traveled the country in the 60's, 70's and 80's claiming to have "escaped" from a Carmelite Convent. However, she never names this convent, just that it is "foreign". But in reading her story it is interesting to note that in this country everyone speaks English. England, possibly, but I was unable to locate any Carmelite convents in England. It could not be Canada because she states that part of her journey home was on a ship.

A "pastor" by the name of Reckart put up a website defending this one and giving his proof. His proof is her Social Security Death record:

According to the Social Security Number Decoder, we know that this SSN was issued in Florida in 1951. "Sister" Charlotte's testimony never mentions her living in Florida. That also raises the issue of where was she between 1898 and 1951? Turning to what we do know, thanks to Rootsweb, we can see her death record as well:

This gives us a little more info. But a search of the Iowa census at Heritage Quest does not reveal a Charlotte Keckler in Iowa at all in 1900, 1910 or 1920. Neither does it show her (alleged) brother John or sister Connie. So it appears the name she gave in death is as fictitious as her life. Add this to Sean's research and it can safely be said this woman was a fraud.
A Catholic Texan: The False Story of "Sister Charlotte"

 

[Truther]

Twice you brought up Sr. Charltotte.

Charlotte Keckler was a pseudonym used by a woman who traveled the country in the 60's, 70's and 80's claiming to have "escaped" from a Carmelite Convent. However, she never names this convent, just that it is "foreign". But in reading her story it is interesting to note that in this country everyone speaks English. England, possibly, but I was unable to locate any Carmelite convents in England. It could not be Canada because she states that part of her journey home was on a ship.

A "pastor" by the name of Reckart put up a website defending this one and giving his proof. His proof is her Social Security Death record:

According to the Social Security Number Decoder, we know that this SSN was issued in Florida in 1951. "Sister" Charlotte's testimony never mentions her living in Florida. That also raises the issue of where was she between 1898 and 1951? Turning to what we do know, thanks to Rootsweb, we can see her death record as well:

This gives us a little more info. But a search of the Iowa census at Heritage Quest does not reveal a Charlotte Keckler in Iowa at all in 1900, 1910 or 1920. Neither does it show her (alleged) brother John or sister Connie. So it appears the name she gave in death is as fictitious as her life. Add this to Sean's research and it can safely be said this woman was a fraud.
A Catholic Texan: The False Story of "Sister Charlotte"

Lol.

She was well know in the oneness churches and spoke in many of them.

I have had her 6 series tapes and known of her through church elders for decades.

Even elder Paul Price hosted her in Napa county in those days.

You are succumbing to RCC tricks.

The RCC sent hit men through her life attempting to shut her up, mostly by poison treats etc.

The convent was located in the southern U.S.(old Mexico)


This is a random account of this kind of place I found....


The Dark And Morbid Secrets Found In Most Colonial Nunneries

 

[Truther]

You're like Saul of Tarsus, who thought he was doing God's work by persecuting God's Church.

God's Church began at Pentecost, the RCC began at the council of Nicea.

 

[Truther]

That passage doesn't prohibit drinking alcohol - it prohibits drinking alcohol to the point of getting drunk. What sort of horrible God would ban a man form having a beer or two?!

You need to lighten up and get out of that oppressive cult you're in.

Does the passage include the breathalizer test?

 

[Truther]

That better than nothing, I suppose, but the Lord provided a much better way to be forgiven, and it can only be found in the Catholic (and Orthodox) Church - see John 20:21-23

The Lord provided a black box for us to go in and tell our sins to another sinner one day a week?

 

[BreadOfLife]

"The companies did not produce supporting documentation or a way to determine the reports’ credibility."

And the same can be said for many of the cases in the Catholic Church where the charges were dropped.

The point is that the problem is everywhere - even in your own backyard and NOT just among celibate priests.

 

[Truther]

You made a claim that the RCC officially teaches, but you can't back up that claim with any proof in the form of an official document. All you can offer is your hate-inspired fantasies. You're a bs-artist and a bigot, in other words.

I learned about the tabernacle steps in 1979.

I saw the various steps of the O.T. tabernacle duplicated by the RCC services I attended on Sundays.

They dress in priestly garments.

They have a "baptismal" dipping basin upon entering(fake Brazen Laver).

They have candles lit(fake Candle Sticks per inside the tabernacle).

They have a miniature Holy of Holies on the platform. etc.

 

[Truther]

Only in the movies or in the minds of brainwashed fanatics and extremists or the mentally unstable.

As a matter of fact, the RCC is clearly the Harlot of the book of Rev.

It's ruled from Rome.

At the return of Jesus Christ, Rome will burn before the world as a memorial of the false Christian church and will never be inhabited for the entire 1000 years.

It is scriptural fact

 

[BreadOfLife]

2Ki 18:4, He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Here, even the bronze snake on the pole had to be dealt with as an object of idolatrous worship.

Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that you keep calling @Truther Einstein and not me...

Don't you think of me as being as intelligent as him?

Your point here is moot because in your zeal to protect @Truther – you have completely ignored the fact that he was talking about ALL images. He claims that ALL images are idols. "ALL" images include the pictures in his wallet, his driver's license, his photo albums and all of the pictures on his mantle at home. A moronic claim if I ever heard one.

Not sure why you don’t let HIM defend his idiotic statements.
As for referring to him as “Einstein” – it’s sarcasm – but I can be sarcastic with YOU, if you want . . .

 

[Truther]

So does the Bible
So does the BibleThe Bible doesn't say that. You made it up.

Here is the OT curse you are putting Jesus under....


15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!

16 Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the Lord's right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory.


Jesus gave his neighbor an alcohol drink?

 

[Truther]

Is that what your cult teaches about what happened at the Cana wedding? My Bible says Jesus changed the water into “wine”, not grape juice - “wine” is alcoholic.

Not per the KJV 400 years ago.

That form of English was a generic term.