The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

[Eternally Grateful]

Gee - ever winder WHY you came to this conclusion??
It's because the Catholic Church is the FULFILLMENT of Judaism - just as Christ is the FULFILLMENT of the Old Covenant.

And, if you think it is "works-based" - then you have a LOT to learn . . .

Finally - if you are a non-Catholic, non-Orthodox Christian, then you ARE a Protestant by definition . . .

lol. Your funny man

Yes, it is the NT version of the jewish system which crucified Christ. because they did not need christ, they had the law..It is not the fulfillment of the jewish system. if it was. It would follow the NT church, not resemble more of the OT false church.

Alot to learn? I learned alot.. Just look at all the sacraments required for one to earn eternal life which your church teaches.. Sorry but the excuse that your works are "faith working in love" does not cut it.

finally, In order for me to protest the roman church, I have to consider it a church. I do not consider it a church, I protest nothing.

Now. Your pride is showing quite deeply. Will you humble yourself? Or keep up with this?

 

[BreadOfLife]

lol. Your funny man

Yes, it is the NT version of the jewish system which crucified Christ. because they did not need christ, they had the law..It is not the fulfillment of the jewish system. if it was. It would follow the NT church, not resemble more of the OT false church.

Alot to learn? I learned alot.. Just look at all the sacraments required for one to earn eternal life which your church teaches.. Sorry but the excuse that your works are "faith working in love" does not cut it.

finally, In order for me to protest the roman church, I have to consider it a church. I do not consider it a church, I protest nothing.

Now. Your pride is showing quite deeply. Will you humble yourself? Or keep up with this?

Ummmmm, you don't "earn" the Sacraments.
They are outward signs of inward grace, instituted by Christ for our sanctification.

And Once again - a Protestant, by definition is a non-Catholic, Non-Orthodox Christian:

Merriam-Webster's collegiate Dictionary
protestant
noun
prot·es·tant | \ ˈprä-tə-stənt , sense 2 is also prə-ˈte-

Definition of protestant
: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth

broadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church.

You're a Protestant - or you're NOT a Christian.
Like I said - you've got a LOT to learn . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ummmmm, you don't "earn" the Sacraments.
They are outward signs of inward grace, instituted by Christ for our sanctification.

And Once again - a Protestant, by definition is a non-Catholic, Non-Orthodox Christian:

Merriam-Webster's collegiate Dictionary
protestant
noun
prot·es·tant | \ ˈprä-tə-stənt , sense 2 is also prə-ˈte-

Definition of protestant
: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth

broadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church.

You're a Protestant - or you're NOT a Christian.
Like I said - you've got a LOT to learn . . .

1 I never said you earn a sacrament. So learn how to properly read and understand what people say

2 I could care less what a dictionary says. I am not a Protestant

I am a born again spirit filled member of the body of Christ

3. I will admit. If I was going to earn my way to heaven.l, I would be Catholic. They seem to have the most amount of works one can do to cause god to forgive sin

 

[user]

I've already proven to you - with scholarly evidence - what "in the name of" actually means.
Your rejection of this scholarly evidence only speaks to your desperation.

You cannot read Scripture with a blind, 21st century, literal mentality. Words and phrases have meanings and linguistics is a science. that you are not qualified to refute. You can ignore it, as you have - but that only shows your ignorance.

Just as I thought ... You don't have one shred of scripture with anyone actually being baptized with the Father, Son, Holy Ghost formula.

This forum awaited your scripture, but all we got was commentary.

You have no ground to stand on, it crumbled away.

 

[RogerDC]

I believe the perfection is referring to our future resurrected state. Currently there is no perfect church when even Paul admits he is not perfect yet.

... except that is not what the Scripture says - your "future" interpretation is your unscriptural invention. How are you going to arrive at direct doctrine if you read the Scriptures dishonestly and twist them to suit yourself?

 

[RogerDC]

I point out that the apostle John referred to the promise of the Holy Spirit to guide individual believers into all truth; not the Church.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

It has already been pointed out to you that your interpretation of that passage is incorrect - as in, childishly superficial and illogical.

 

[RogerDC]

And implying the CC is God's one true Church has yet to be proven, brother. Just saying it does not make it so.

It is actually not so much a matter of proof, but more a matter of being led by the Holy Spirit. You cannot prove that God exists, for example, yet you believe God does exist. And some people believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence presented to them.

 

[RogerDC]

It says the Apostles/Prophets words are foundational via Jesus.

It does not include anyone else in the foundation process.

This means the Pope is only a window washer, and nothing is built on him.

But we're not talking about the "foundation process" - we're talking about what happens after that - ie, the successors of the leader of the Church being infallibly led by the Holy Spirit. So the verse you quoted is irrelevant to the argument of papal infallibility.

 

[Enow]

... except that is not what the Scripture says - your "future" interpretation is your unscriptural invention. How are you going to arrive at direct doctrine if you read the Scriptures dishonestly and twist them to suit yourself?

How about you provide the scripture to prove that point that I am not rightly dividing the word of truth regarding our future resurrected state from what you say it is about, brother?

 

[Enow]

It has already been pointed out to you that your interpretation of that passage is incorrect - as in, childishly superficial and illogical.

Actually, you did not.

 

[Enow]

It is actually not so much a matter of proof, but more a matter of being led by the Holy Spirit. You cannot prove that God exists, for example, yet you believe God does exist. And some people believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence presented to them.

How about the lack of scripture as proving that the CC is not God's One True Church? As specific as the CC has made it, scripture does not even point to that or any other true one Church at all. Out of 7 churches in Revelations, 2 were good and yet neither one was considered God's one true Church so why should the CC be that?

 

[Truther]

But we're not talking about the "foundation process" - we're talking about what happens after that - ie, the successors of the leader of the Church being infallibly led by the Holy Spirit. So the verse you quoted is irrelevant to the argument of papal infallibility.

No, the foundation is the sure bet.

You are betting on the "add on's".

All religions are add on's, but the church of Acts is the foundation.

To be saved and remain saved, one must only adhere to the foundational teachings, not the add on's.

 

[Truther]

What was the name of the Son - BEFORE He came down from Heaven??

The 2nd person of the trinity became a microscopic sperm cell in a woman's uterus to fertilize her egg and was renamed?

Please elaborate.

 

[BreadOfLife]

1 I never said you earn a sacrament. So learn how to properly read and understand what people say

2 I could care less what a dictionary says. I am not a Protestant

I am a born again spirit filled member of the body of Christ

3. I will admit. If I was going to earn my way to heaven.l, I would be Catholic. They seem to have the most amount of works one can do to cause god to forgive sin

Another LIE - what a surprise . . .

The Church has never taught that we "earn" our salvation.
Probably a good idea to do your homework before responding . . .

 

[Truther]

God absolutely humbled Himself when He condescended to become a human being.
THAT'S the whole point of His perfect sacrifice, Einstein.

READ and LEARN . . .

Heb. 2:14-18
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their HUMANITY so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

That is the craziest version I ever saw.

Wow, get it right...


16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.



It just says the man, Jesus, was not made an angel but made by God of the seed of Abraham.

It does NOT say God took on the seed of Abraham.

You think God took on the seed of Abraham?

 

[Truther]

And that's about the most ignorant things you've said yet.
Luther deleted the "Pope's decrees" - from Scripture??

I worry about your kids . . .

No, per the 95 theses nailed to the church door.

Pope officially deleted.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Just as I thought ... You don't have one shred of scripture with anyone actually being baptized with the Father, Son, Holy Ghost formula.

This forum awaited your scripture, but all we got was commentary.

You have no ground to stand on, it crumbled away.

And YOU don't have a single verse of Scripture of anybody being Baptized in the name of Jesus alone, so YOUR argument crashes like a lead balloon . . .

 

[user]

And YOU don't have a single verse of Scripture of anybody being Baptized in the name of Jesus alone, so YOUR argument crashes like a lead balloon . . .

Sooooo, you finally admit your flawed baptism is in error.

Now was that so hard to do

 

[BreadOfLife]

The 2nd person of the trinity became a microscopic sperm cell in a woman's uterus to fertilize her egg and was renamed?

Please elaborate.

You are dodging the question.
Here it is again . . .
What was the name of the Son - BEFORE He came down from Heaven??

 

[Truther]

You are dodging the question.
Here it is again . . .
What was the name of the Son - BEFORE He came down from Heaven??

Son of man?

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


Mary's son.
.