Yup, the Lord didn't come to save just the educated, but even arrogant folks, including the educated ( but He never leaves you that way.)
The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever
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Scripture is not the primary source of Christianity - the Church is, because the Church is the "fullness of Christ (Eph 1:22-23).
And that Churchi is of course the Catholic Church.
So you don't believe you must repent of your sins in order to be saved?
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This is the difference between a grace-based Christian and a performance-based pseudo-christian religious person.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your post and you should know that Roman Catholics have a somewhat different understanding of God's grace and that would be necessary if you believe in "sacrements" as the RCC defines them. However, I'd be cautious about throwing the words pseudo-christian religious person around in arguments. It only makes some people defensive and others haughty. Besides that, you can find self righteous hypocrites in any church, even evangelical ones. It's best to leave judgment to God. The truth stands on it's own and since we really don't know our own hearts, how can we know someone else's (except through their words, but who can tame the tongue?) God bless you and keep up the good testimony.
This is the difference between a grace-based Christian and a performance-based pseudo-christian religious person.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your post and you should know that Roman Catholics have a somewhat different understanding of God's grace and that would be necessary if you believe in "sacrements" as the RCC defines them. However, I'd be cautious about throwing the words pseudo-christian religious person around in arguments. It only makes some people defensive and others haughty. Besides that, you can find self righteous hypocrites in any church, even evangelical ones. It's best to leave judgment to God. The truth stands on it's own and since we really don't know our own hearts, how can we know someone else's (except through their words, but who can tame the tongue?) God bless you and keep up the good testimony.
Arrogance is believing any individual can infallibly interpret the Scriptures without the supernatural guidance of the Church.
Says the arrogant, but then I don't know a whole lot of people that claim to infallibly interpret scripture outside of the Roman Catholic Church. The "church" doesn't illuminate the scripture (that's God's job), But you're entitled to your opinion. The church doesn't pick it's membership, God does. When you understand that simple truth, we might have a conversation.
Philippians 2:12-13
Are you saying you don't know anyone who infallibly interprets the Scriptures? If so, you must be stumbling around in fog of spiritual confusion and uncertainty - in which case, I feel sorry for you.
"Thy word is a lamp unto my feet" (but first let me go find some liar to tell me what it means.)
Truth be known, there is One who infallibly interprets scripture, and I know Him, though not as well as He knows me. I can tell you right now that He isn't a member of the Roman Catholic Church, but He does show up from time to time.
Right, because what Peter had said did not really come from himself, but from the Father thru him so Jesus was not really giving Peter the credit for saying that as Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God as Christ is that Rock that the gates of hell shall not prevail against and Jesus had proven that when He had risen from the dead taking the keys to the gates of hell with Him.
Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
You didn't answer my question ... which probably means you don't want to admit that you don't know anyone who can infallibly interpret the Scriptures.
If you can't find anyone who can infallibly interpret the Scriptures, then the Scriptures are useless.
1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
You guys may have bought the Kool -Aid that the CC has been selling, but we are not so inclined to believe in their "exclusive superiority" to explain the scripture, especially when for all this time, they do not have an answer or explanation for every scripture. Tired of waiting yet? Then believe His words.
Verses 12 & 13 is about obeying Paul in having that mind of Christ in worship in honoring the Son to glorify the Son in order to honor and glorify God the Father. The working out our salvation with fear & trembling is to recognize we are His workmanship as we are to trust Him to do His work in us and not resort to our own power by the deeds of the law for which we would be denying Him as bale to perform by faith in Jesus Christ alone to finish.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
That means we are to follow Him by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him; not by keeping a commitment nor a promise. Those who do, are to repent by asking Jesus to forgive them and to set them free from their yoke of bondage, so they can rest in Him and all His promises to us under the New Covenant.
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I do. Repentance is the general change of direction that comes as the true conversion to Christ that the believer of the gospel seeks God for after accepting the grace and mercy of God through faith alone in Christ's finished work on the cross.
Repentance is not confession of sins. Only the Holy Spirit can develop sanctification in us. The transformation that comes with true conversion is not automatic on "accepting Christ". It must be sought for with all one's heart. Anyone can shed tears at the front of a church and make resolutions to be a better person, attend church, read the Bible and live a moral life, but if their heart is unchanged, they are still lost. Only the Holy Spirit can convert a person to Christ and the transformation must be diligently sought for. If we are to come to God, we must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Just putting on a Christian badge is not genuine conversion.
True conversion results in an intense love for God and Christ, and a deep hatred for sin. It is not enough to confess sin to others or to a priest, if the heart is unchanged and not willing to forsake the sin.
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Oh. Is this the Church that worships and prays to the pagan Queen of Heaven and has been corrupted by the pagan influence of Constantine in the 4th Century?
The Holy Spirit is in every believer or are you going to deny the promise of His role in every believer as given in scripture?
1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
You keep using this quote even though it has been pointed out to you that your interpretation of it is illogical. If the Holy Spirit teaches all things to whoever reads the Bible, then everyone would interpret the Bible in exactly the same way - but that is not what happens. What happens is that each individual comes up with a different interpretation - which proves that your interpretation of John 2:20-28 is wrong. But like a dunce that can't understand and can't learn, you keep repeating the same dumb mistake.
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The Apostle John said that the anointing (the Holy Spirit) within us, whom Christ sent to represent Him will teach us everything we need to know. When did the Roman Catholic Church take over from the Holy Spirit?
No. It is the Church that is infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit, but is rejected by brainwashed and gullible suckers who don't know what they're talking about.
When believers are misled by the teachings of the Church, then yeah, you are going to get a variety of believers not really listening to the Holy Spirit in them saying otherwise, because they refuse to believe what the Church has taught them was not according to rightly dividing the word of truth to them.
And the reference to Church is not exclusive to the CC either. FYI
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The written Scriptures are God's sole communication with mankind. Anything written outside of the Bible is the uninspired authorship of man. Any doctrine that is contrary to the clear teaching of the Bible is a fraud and a deception. Paul said that even if an angel came and preached a different gospel than the one he preached, let him be cursed. If the Roman Catholic Church is preaching doctrines purporting to be the gospel of Christ and they are not consistent with the gospel that Paul preached then it is presenting a fraudulent gospel.
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