Rapture Ready For Partial Rapture?
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To be clear, I see us being raptured at about the 5th or 6th seal, most likely during the great earthquake, the same earthquake as in Ezekiel 38.
Only 144,000 receive that seal, and all are Jews. All others will be subject to that particular torment, not to mention the rest of those things that will happen.
So any partial rapture view requires one of two things, one being the understanding that those of God's beloved children whom He has deemed should be left behind are left behind to endure That.
Or the other option, one must suppose that more than those stated will actually be sealed. Something to hope for I guess!
Much love!
On this part, I don't think Jesus was prophesying the rapture. If He was, then He would have been putting the lie to Peter's preaching after Pentecost, that if Israel would repent, then the times of refreshing would come, and God would send Jesus back.
Years later, Paul declared that the Gospel was now to be sent to the Gentile, and they would hear it. Paul revealed a mystery, something kept hidden, not prophesied by Jesus, but a mystery, and revealed the Gentile church, and the catching away of that church.
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What is there in the 70th week of Daniel, and in the time of greatest tribulation, that might be required for a single generation of Christians to experience, that isn't somehow necessary for all other Christians?
We call this time "the Great Tribulation", but this isn't the Biblical terminology.
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of this world, no, nor ever shall be."
Let me ask you . . . the Christians in Eritrea who were left to roast to death in shipping containers in the middle of the desert, the Christians in India who are flayed alive, were these worse sinners than others?
Another question . . . have there not been Christians who walk according to the flesh throughout all centuries since Christ? Have not many died abruptly, or in peace? Where was their tribulation?
Where is the requirement that Christians from a single generation endure through this time? Is that the purpose for the time of Jacob's Trouble? Or is it that Jacob will be saved out of it?
Much love!
We call this time "the Great Tribulation", but this isn't the Biblical terminology.
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of this world, no, nor ever shall be."
Let me ask you . . . the Christians in Eritrea who were left to roast to death in shipping containers in the middle of the desert, the Christians in India who are flayed alive, were these worse sinners than others?
Another question . . . have there not been Christians who walk according to the flesh throughout all centuries since Christ? Have not many died abruptly, or in peace? Where was their tribulation?
Where is the requirement that Christians from a single generation endure through this time? Is that the purpose for the time of Jacob's Trouble? Or is it that Jacob will be saved out of it?
Much love!
Not every child of God will know to repent if they have been misled to use their liberty for occasions in the flesh for which they fall into a worse bondage of sin than they had been before they were saved; hence only wood, stubble, and hay on that foundation which defiles the temple of God.
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
1 Corinthians 6:19-0 states that our bodies are the temple of God and fr defiling that temple, it will b destroyed; hence physical death per 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 but the spirit is still saved per 1 Corinthians 3:15.
The body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit gets destroyed is the consequence for defiling the temple of God with woo, stubble, and hay.
I would consider the reference of into a bed which is prepared before hand as prophesied is into the great tribulation coming.
18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
If it was just Jezebel and her unbelieving cohorts, then the rest of that verse makes no sense if the church is not involved to be judged by her works.
...and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Indeed, verse 24 addresses the church still, that has not that doctrine nor utter the depths of Satan for which they speak. So the warning is given to the churches that do have that doctrine and utter the depths of Satan for which Jezebel speaks.
If verse 23 is God judging the church in giving every one of them "you" in according to their "your" works, then there is a partial rapture.
There must be punishments to make us do it right!
How many believers have you come across that takes phenomenon over the reproof of scripture as not of Him or false teachings over rightly dividing the word of truth?
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Reprobate means disqualified. That means saved believers are at risk of being disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven.
Luke 12:40-49 shows believers being cut off and getting their stripes from the Father then as per Hebrews 12.
Jesus told John to the effect that the event to unfold will come quickly. If you consider the scroll as sealed by seven seals and the content of the scroll is not revealed or come into play until all the seals are broken, then you may apply His words differently.
Again, we prophesy in part and know in part, but the call to be ready in looking to Him to help us discern good & evil to depart from iniquity is now.
Who are these saints at the end of Revelation 18:23-24 when that event is about the fall of Babylon in detail of what the 2nd angel had announced in Revelation 14:8 which is after the rapture? Did the 144,000 dies off right away, because if you are, you are just applying whom the Lord designated to dispense the gospel from now on as the only believers saved during the great tribulation.
How do you know that those who destroy God's temple are Christians?
Those who corrupt/destroy God's temple, God will corrupt/destroy. The temple in 1 Corinthians 3, you are the temple of God, this "you" is plural. The assembly is God's temple, and some are dividing the assembly, this is the context.
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Having knowledge is not the same as a new creation.
But they reveal their true nature, which is not a new nature, by returning to their old ways.
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Peter was still under the marching orders to not preach to the Gentiles but to the nation of Israel.
Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
So it took a vision from the Lord to get Peter to go to Cornelius. Eventually, the time came when God had judged the Jews as officially rejecting the chief cornerstone whereby Paul became a minister to the Gentiles; hence the dispensation of the gospel went to the Gentiles. as you stated below.
The falling away from the faith is the signalling of the end of the times of the Gentiles when the dispensation of the gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 witnesses for the duration of the great tribulation which is after the rapture event.
God chastens us for our good, it says. So that God's chastening is effective, not ineffective.
Is there something in the 70th week of Daniel that contains a benefit required by Christians of a single generation?
Much love!
There is building with wood, hay, and stubble, and in that instance those things get burned, though the person still saved.
And there is corrupting/destroying the temple of God, that is, the union of believers, and that person will be corrupted/destroyed. I think you may be mixing two things here.
Much love!
Correct because we are not in that great tribulation when there is only one great tribulation as assigned to that time period when the son of perdition reveals himself for why the "Jews" have to flee.
Still consider part of the tribulation of this time in the world we are in. Jesus assigned the great tribulation as a time period of the son of perdition.
The trials of our faith and the temptations of living in this world we are in now can be a snare, but that is the tribulation we are living in now.
The requirement is to run that race by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin to be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House. If there was no accountability to what we do, then where is the terror?
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.So those unrepentant saints left behind along with new believers after the rapture that die, their spirits will be present with the Lord but their resurrection will not come until after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House. 2 Timothy 2:19-21 note verse 20
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Why DO people believe in a rapture to heaven?
The 'rapture' to heaven of the Church theory is just a construct made up from a few scriptures that people make out to mean a removal from the earth. John 14:1-3 is a prime example, it plainly says; ...I will come again and where I am you will be with Me....
This is plainly a reference to the Return of Jesus, as described in Acts 1:11 and Revelation 19:11, when He comes accompanied by the angel army and commences His Millennium reign.
The place He has prepared comes to the earth after the Millennium, as per Revelation 21:1-7
The 'rapture' is a false teaching and has fooled many. I can only suggest that 'rapture' believers at least consider the truth of the Lord's protection during all that will take place.
Why DO people believe in a rapture to heaven?
But the Bible never says that God will take His people to heaven.
The 'rapture' to heaven of the Church theory is just a construct made up from a few scriptures that people make out to mean a removal from the earth. John 14:1-3 is a prime example, it plainly says; ...I will come again and where I am you will be with Me....
This is plainly a reference to the Return of Jesus, as described in Acts 1:11 and Revelation 19:11, when He comes accompanied by the angel army and commences His Millennium reign.
The place He has prepared comes to the earth after the Millennium, as per Revelation 21:1-7
The 'rapture' is a false teaching and has fooled many. I can only suggest that 'rapture' believers at least consider the truth of the Lord's protection during all that will take place.
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The church still sees it.
Remember, these letters were to a church at that time, that was experiencing a certain issue, in this case, Jezebel. And when the other churches saw what Jesus did with this church, they would know that Jesus is the One Who searches everything out.
In a partial rapture? In a judgment after death? In tribulations during the 1st century? I don't see any reference to rapture here, and if we were to suppose that was what was meant, then, again, we have huge issues with 1 Thessalonians 4, and the doctrine of justification by faith in Christ.
And we have to face the facts that God plans for some of those His children, perhaps even us, to not only endure through the locust things, the cataclysms, the armies of unworldly horsemen with their angels loosed from Euphrates, the sickness and violence and famine and persecutions.
And that somehow for this one generation, these afflictions hold the key that wasn't important for other generations, and that somehow, this will accomplish in these Christians what God was able to do in every other generation, but could not accomplish in this generation.
I just can't make sense of that idea.
Much love!
The reprobate are not God's children, they are reprobate. As you say, disqualified. Rejected as a result of testing.
The pure, and the defiled, who are rejected. They profess to know God, buthey don't.
This says nothing about the pure becoming defiled and reprobate, rather, it speaks of them separate and distinct.
Oh . . . what makes you think the marriage supper is in heaven? Who comes from "the east and the west"?
Luke 12:40-49
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
Who are the servants here? The gentile church? That didn't exist yet? That was still a hidden truth, a mystery? Or was it the same as all the rest of Jesus' parables, the servants are of Israel?
The Lord will appoint his portion with the unbelievers . . . because . . . he is an unbeliever. If he were a believer, he would have done differently.
Much love!
I did leave scriptural reference for you to click on to see the verses, but here it is.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Since it is judging every man's work for what it is laid on that foundation laid by Jesus Christ, then it goes beyond church assembly to the actual physical body of the believer that will be destroyed with death for defiling the temple of God.
Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:20 These are the things which defile a man:
Even I need the Lord's help with that and since my hope is on Him to destroy the works of the devil in my life and to put my thoughts and heart on good things and to even work on the words of my mouth to finish His work in me to His glory, the Father shall be receiving many thanks in Jesus's name.
Psalm 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Psalm 33:20 Our soul waiteth for the Lord: he is our help and our shield. 21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name.22 Let thy mercy, O Lord, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
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