All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death. ~Calvin
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I'm very disappointed that you can't be honest about the implications of your doctrine, but I get it. You would rather ignore the truth and pretend the contradictions don't exist.
If you really think about it, all we have to describe God is figurative language. Our brains aren't that big, and I don't care if you are an Einstein, you will never grasp a tenth of what there is to understand about an infinite being. So we have to go by what he tells us about himself. If he says in a certain instance that he has regrets, or that he is angry or that he is sad or whatever emotion, we don't pass it off and come with up with fancy words to explain it away. And what we do know is that the clearest image we have of God is found in Jesus, the exact image of the Father. Colossians 1:15.
When Jesus said whosoever could believe in him, I see no reason to doubt his word.
BTW, if you would use the reply feature, I would not have to scroll through everything to find your replies. Often I'm on my phone and only checking notifications.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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your inability to understand the words or the teaching does not constitute a contradiction.
You just do not know what it all means. If you had a clue you would have interacted with the scriptures offered but you avoided them once again.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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Not only do you offer a second commandment violation, but show your lack of reverence for the biblical God.
You have nothing to say evidently. You wandered into the deep end of the pool and do not know how to So you offer profane posts about God. May the Lord reward you according to your works.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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As I correctly pointed out, you do not know the biblical God or His revealed attributes.
God is without passions. You describe a god in mans image, who changes, has emotions that fluctuate and change. This explains why you cannot get to first base doctrinally.
Preacher4Truth
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He's blasphemed Christ with his silly meme, is an Open Theist, sees God as a pushover, did some tricks to merit salvation by his own admittance, hacks Scripture, rejects and snips out biblical refutation and correction, name calls, mocks truth. That's what we're dealing with, 2 Timothy 3:1-9 people quite difficult to deal with.
It is about a fictional character, not the real Jesus. Calvinist Jesus doesn't exist. I suspect the real Jesus finds it both amusing and sad that people see him that way. I find he has a good sense of humor.
I'm not an open theist and you are lying about me. Did some tricks, no I believed, as scripture confirms is necessary over and over.
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I did interact and offer scriptures over and over, but you continue to reject what they say.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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I read everyday,with understanding.
Let's see you look at the post where I offered Ezk.34,jn10,lk19...and claimed the lost are defined by the Elect sheep.
Show from the texts where you suggest I am wrong about this.
You suggest I need to read my bible, now back up your claim.
Start with Ezk34 Who are the lost sheep here?
Is It those who have a special relationship with God?
Or is it everyone in the world?
Anthony D'Arienzo
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Sorry no.Sin is not funny. I joke about many things but never biblical truth.
People are going to perish holding on to error,it is not a joking matter.
That doesn't even make sense under your system. No one can perish unless God destined them to perish under your deterministic system. A person can commit adultery and murder 100 times a day as long as he is elect. And if he isn't elect, nothing will save him.
No one but universalists believe everyone will be saved. Of course, it's people who have a special relationship with God. How does one become part of the flock?
As it says in John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.
I already did a post about corporate election. The invitation to enter in is offered to all.
John 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
John 12:46
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Romans 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 13:2
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
John-1 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
John-1 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
John-1 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
John-2 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Revelations 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelations 22:15
For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelations 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Starting to see a theme here?
Anthony D'Arienzo
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One reason you continue on in darkness is you make up your own gospel,and have not learned to read with comprehension.
It must be my fault. I asked you to look at 3 portions of scripture instead of one at a time.
Tell me in Ezk34.....does anyone become a sheep?
Or does God say His sheep, that means they are His already,become scattered and lost?
By the way, I do see a theme or pattern to your posts. You ignore the verses you were asked to respond to, and offer verses that are off topic.
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