The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)

[Timtofly]

Are you claiming that the State that is claiming to call it's self Israel is in fact Israel ? That was created by mans works = Satan to lead the world astray.

It's not Israel at all, no Jew is Israel in fact.
OT Israel was finished 2000 years ago and anyone who follows the OT is lost today. for they do not know God in fact.
Any true Jew who clearly follows the OT would understand what Holy Moses was talking about, so if one is truly of Moses then they would know who Jesus Christ is in fact and the true Israelites knew Jesus was the Christ, as we seen in the disciples. the rest missed the boat, they were totally lead astray.
Their is only one way to God and that is through his only begotten Son, all who reject the Son are totally lost as to the Father, so nothing good can come from such a person at all, because they have not the Holy Spirit.

By Jew I mean a practicing person of the OT and nothing to do with a so called Race, that's the work of Satan to make claims like such rubbish, for one they were not a Race but a religious people, plenty of other Semitic tribes were around back in the day. so claiming such as Race is rubbish.
You have the Holy Spirit or you don't, that's the Key !
You must be Born again Jesus said ? bingo then you are Israel in fact ! because you Serve Jesus Christ.
If you are truly born again then you are in the Kingdom of God and you are worthy of God and you are a true Israelite.

Nothing about the Nation of Jacob (Israel) has a thing to do with the church. But if you say that gathering together the Nation of ethnic Jews is of Satan, you are wrong. Israel has always been God's chosen people and like Moses led Israel out of ancient Egypt, God Himself has led Israel out of Egypt known as this world, and it's corrupt governments. After God judges the church, God will work directly during the seven trumpets with the Nation of Israel. The church will not be around, but will only watch from Heaven. The time of separation between physical and spiritual is over. The time of harvest of both tares and wheat has already started. There is less than 3 years before the Second Coming.

If you blame current Israel as being Atheistic, only the church is to blame. The apostate church itself gave birth to atheism, because it left the Truth of God’s Word behind, and turned to the doctrine and theology of humans. It is the liberal church that turned it's back on godly morality and gave in to human morality at odds with God's Word.

 

[Renniks]

What does any of this have to do with the claim, "all was fulfilled in AD70"? The seven Churches cover the span of the church age as well as having their own issues in their own day. After the section of the churches, the Revelation is the end times. You can put all the history in hindsight as they apply to the section of the churches themselves, without any argument from me. But after chapter 5 it all has to do with the end, except for some history, like the beast, covering a longer period of time to get to a final person, yet to be revealed.

Like I said, people want to believe that it's all going on in their lifetime. It's more exciting that way, I suppose.
Those who accept a Neronic date for the writing of Revelation, see it primarily as a prophecy of the events of the immediate future. This does not commit one to a totally preterist view of the entire book, but it does tend to see the main focus of the book in the events that took place in the "Last Days" i.e. the period from the Ascension of our Lord in AD 30 until the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.

The Millennium is the period during which Christ reigns, beginning at His Resurrection/Ascension and continuing until the end of the present age. It is during this period that His reign will by degrees extend throughout the world and during which all things will be placed under His authority.

Hey, I grew up listening to preachers talk about the rapture too! I had no reason to question what they taught, until I read some convincing teaching that placed the tribulation is the past. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but so far I have not seen any convincing argument. I have not taken the time to read this whole thread. It's only natural for people to get fearful at every new catastrophe and imagine this is the end of times. But I believe Christ will truly win and there's nothing to fear.
We do still have Gog/Magog and the Final Judgment yet to be fulfilled.
The battle isn't over, but the war has been won.

 

[farouk]

Like I said, people want to believe that it's all going on in their lifetime. It's more exciting that way, I suppose.
Those who accept a Neronic date for the writing of Revelation, see it primarily as a prophecy of the events of the immediate future. This does not commit one to a totally preterist view of the entire book, but it does tend to see the main focus of the book in the events that took place in the "Last Days" i.e. the period from the Ascension of our Lord in AD 30 until the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.

The Millennium is the period during which Christ reigns, beginning at His Resurrection/Ascension and continuing until the end of the present age. It is during this period that His reign will by degrees extend throughout the world and during which all things will be placed under His authority.

Hey, I grew up listening to preachers talk about the rapture too! I had no reason to question what they taught, until I read some convincing teaching that placed the tribulation is the past. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but so far I have not seen any convincing argument. I have not taken the time to read this whole thread. It's only natural for people to get fearful at every new catastrophe and imagine this is the end of times. But I believe Christ will truly win and there's nothing to fear.
We do still have Gog/Magog and the Final Judgment yet to be fulfilled.
The battle isn't over, but the war has been won.

I don't agree with you on every point, but we can indeed be thankful for the victory! (1 Corinthians 15.57)

 

[Timtofly]

Like I said, people want to believe that it's all going on in their lifetime. It's more exciting that way, I suppose.
Those who accept a Neronic date for the writing of Revelation, see it primarily as a prophecy of the events of the immediate future. This does not commit one to a totally preterist view of the entire book, but it does tend to see the main focus of the book in the events that took place in the "Last Days" i.e. the period from the Ascension of our Lord in AD 30 until the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.

The Millennium is the period during which Christ reigns, beginning at His Resurrection/Ascension and continuing until the end of the present age. It is during this period that His reign will by degrees extend throughout the world and during which all things will be placed under His authority.

Hey, I grew up listening to preachers talk about the rapture too! I had no reason to question what they taught, until I read some convincing teaching that placed the tribulation is the past. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but so far I have not seen any convincing argument. I have not taken the time to read this whole thread. It's only natural for people to get fearful at every new catastrophe and imagine this is the end of times. But I believe Christ will truly win and there's nothing to fear.
We do still have Gog/Magog and the Final Judgment yet to be fulfilled.
The battle isn't over, but the war has been won.

As long as you are ready to meet God face to face at any moment, you should be prepared. If you can handle war, famine, and being attacked by wild animals in the next few months, then meeting God alive instead of dead is the only reason to be prepared for God’s judgment on the church. Reading Revelation 6 is about as prepared as one can get, unless the Holy Spirit prompts you in that chapter to do something, and then being obedient to the Holy Spirit is the wise thing to do. This is not some hysterical sensational warning. It is just the plain truth of the Second Coming.

 

[Renniks]

As long as you are ready to meet God face to face at any moment, you should be prepared. If you can handle war, famine, and being attacked by wild animals in the next few months, then meeting God alive instead of dead is the only reason to be prepared for God’s judgment on the church. Reading Revelation 6 is about as prepared as one can get, unless the Holy Spirit prompts you in that chapter to do something, and then being obedient to the Holy Spirit is the wise thing to do. This is not some hysterical sensational warning. It is just the plain truth of the Second Coming.

We all are one heartbeat away from meeting God face to face. Whether it happens when I die or before is really irrelevant. 50 some years went by pretty fast, and I doubt I'll get 50 more. So, yes we all need to be ready to go at any moment.

On Revelation 6, did you know that at the fall of Jerusalem, many people fled to caves under the city or to the mountains and caves of the Dead Sea as predicted in Revelation 6:15? Then the people “hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.”

There's just too much evidence to put all these prophecies in the present or future.

 

[Timtofly]

We all are one heartbeat away from meeting God face to face. Whether it happens when I die or before is really irrelevant. 50 some years went by pretty fast, and I doubt I'll get 50 more. So, yes we all need to be ready to go at any moment.

On Revelation 6, did you know that at the fall of Jerusalem, many people fled to caves under the city or to the mountains and caves of the Dead Sea as predicted in Revelation 6:15? Then the people “hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.”

There's just too much evidence to put all these prophecies in the present or future.

Well since it only happened to Jerusalem back then, they had some place to go. This time in Revelation 6, it will be the entire world map. There may or may not be a place to hide for everyone. The truth is no one will have an excuse at that point.

 

[Renniks]

Well since it only happened to Jerusalem back then, they had some place to go. This time in Revelation 6, it will be the entire world map. There may or may not be a place to hide for everyone. The truth is no one will have an excuse at that point.

We all get sorted into sheep and goats no matter when or how it happens. It's not dying physically that people should fear, but dying spiritually.

 

[Renniks]

Well since it only happened to Jerusalem back then, they had some place to go. This time in Revelation 6, it will be the entire world map. There may or may not be a place to hide for everyone. The truth is no one will have an excuse at that point.

Ok, another question, what do you make of the mark put on believers? Many technological explanations continue to be offered for the “mark of the Beast” which is placed on people’s foreheads in Revelation 13. Such interpretations completely neglect the earlier passage of Revelation 7 where an angel “carrying the seal of the living God” marks the foreheads of God’s servants, or Revelation 14 where 144,000 people are standing with the Lamb, “all with his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.”
If the Mark of the beast is a computer chip as many currently believe, what is the seal of God on His people?

 

[Timtofly]

Ok, another question, what do you make of the mark put on believers? Many technological explanations continue to be offered for the “mark of the Beast” which is placed on people’s foreheads in Revelation 13. Such interpretations completely neglect the earlier passage of Revelation 7 where an angel “carrying the seal of the living God” marks the foreheads of God’s servants, or Revelation 14 where 144,000 people are standing with the Lamb, “all with his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.”
If the Mark of the beast is a computer chip as many currently believe, what is the seal of God on His people?

Only God can seal and mark humans. My explanation of the mark 666 is that all descendants of Adam have that mark, because it is the mark of the curse of labor. Adam was punished by toil, the sweat of the brow, hint the brow sweats, but only those who are alive past the end of Adam's punishment are proud to work, thus proud to display the mark of the curse. I realize that it looks like Satan forces us, because to the 1st century Christian who actually walked and talked with Jesus, it would be forced.

We are in different times now. Humans would rather listen to Satan and their own desires over the truth of who Jesus Christ is.

Technology and this earth is going to come to a screaching halt. Sure after the judgments from God, Satan will have 3.5 years of control. I would say all of our current technology comes from Satan and there is probably tech we have not even seen yet come into play. But the mark will just appear on the forehead. The technology will place it on one's hand so some can proudly look at it all the time.

The issue is not the mark at all. It is total defiance against God, and solidarity with Satan. God points out later, that those who get their heads chopped off by Satan will get to live again, and be with Christ in the next 1000 years. Those who join Satan on earth will join Satan in the lake of fire.

 

[Renniks]

Only God can seal and mark humans. My explanation of the mark 666 is that all descendants of Adam have that mark, because it is the mark of the curse of labor. Adam was punished by toil, the sweat of the brow, hint the brow sweats, but only those who are alive past the end of Adam's punishment are proud to work, thus proud to display the mark of the curse. I realize that it looks like Satan forces us, because to the 1st century Christian who actually walked and talked with Jesus, it would be forced.

How does that fit with the mark Revelation 13? Are you saying this took place at the fall of man? So part of revelation is also in Genesis?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Nothing about the Nation of Jacob (Israel) has a thing to do with the church. But if you say that gathering together the Nation of ethnic Jews is of Satan, you are wrong. Israel has always been God's chosen people and like Moses led Israel out of ancient Egypt, God Himself has led Israel out of Egypt known as this world, and it's corrupt governments. After God judges the church, God will work directly during the seven trumpets with the Nation of Israel. The church will not be around, but will only watch from Heaven. The time of separation between physical and spiritual is over. The time of harvest of both tares and wheat has already started. There is less than 3 years before the Second Coming.

If you blame current Israel as being Atheistic, only the church is to blame. The apostate church itself gave birth to atheism, because it left the Truth of God’s Word behind, and turned to the doctrine and theology of humans. It is the liberal church that turned it's back on godly morality and gave in to human morality at odds with God's Word.

But the apostate church are not the Church at all ? as the true Church we are the Body of Christ = truly born again of the Holy Spirit ! = Servants of God ! = Israel ?
When the worthy Israelites came to Jesus we see that they were the worthy ones that Holy Moses talked about, the rest are condemned in fact. Remember what Jesus Christ said to his disciples about going out to the Israelites ? now in all that we see that they who had faith in the disciples would clearly get the message and follow them, but see what Jesus said what to do if they do not ? it's a big deal bro !!!
All who reject Jesus Christ are of Satan and you are not to deal with such people at all or give them any regard as to God at all, for they are lost and are just like casting pearls to a swine that will only attack you, that's the carnal mind regardless.

Their is a great gulf between them and Gods Chosen Christian = truly born again Israel, remember who they Serve ?

Back when Jacob became Israel is the point many a Satanist try and hide from as to why this is so and as to this holds the key, because they try to bastardise this clear point.
Anyone who idolise the Jews is a Satanist. their is nothing worthy of such people at all, they were not chosen by God.
Who was Chosen by God ? ask yourself that, yes who were they in fact ! not everyone in the tribe were worthy in fact, as it just does not work that way. if you understand the Bible one would know that fact.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

No one was born as to God but Jesus Christ. that's why he is the only begotten Son of God !

Non of the Jews cut it bar the Prophets of God.

The only time that the Jewish people were in Gods glory was when they were with God, apart from that they were nothing as when the turned from God they fell. one has to have a relation ship with God or you are nothing to God in fact, so such is not worthy.

The Race card comes out with all they who are of Satan.
Did Jesus say they were a Holy Race, go and do as you please in your carnal state. No !

I have always had morons come to me peddling that I am a Jew, when I have clearly stated that I am a Christian. well they reject that totally in my face ? Be gone from me ! I say, they are of Satan. one who does not have the Holy Spirit is of Satan doing mans works and the land that Satanist peddle as being Israel is of Satan, fact is this was all the creation of Man, Hitler for one was the main contributor to this bastard State in fact.
There are no Jews who are worthy of God in 2000 years in fact. bar only they who have come to Jesus Christ ?
That State is a Whore of Satan in fact, look at it, does it abide in the OT ? well far from it in fact. their are only about 10% who are worthy of being called Jews in fact and they complain about the pox on the State that has nothing to do with the OT.
If the State was worthy of the OT I would be fine with such being so as I could say yes it is OT Israel ? but it is not ! so I am with the true Jews on that position, now with them I would be interested in bothering to explain that Holy Moses was pointing to Jesus Christ, because I believe that they can get the message, but I would not bother with any other so called Jews because they are not worthy to bother with in fact as Jesus said, with his disciples to leave such people directly because they are as Swine. because they have no regard as to God in fact and their is not point casting pearls. remember Jesus said to go to the Israelites and to do what if they do not get the message ? well only worthy people get the message you know and race has nothing to do with it at all.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The so called State of Israel was founded by Satanist, who killed 6 million Jews because they were a huge treat to the so called Zionist whore, in Germany the majority of German Jews despised the so called Zionist and the Zionist were totally in bed with the Nazis, they were one in the same totally Satanic and as cunning as, they worked to create delusions and that's a fact with all that was going on and them delusions are still peddled nowadays, because most are to ignorant of the facts to expose the truth.
One can come to see the works of such if you bother to spend years on truly researching such things.
Many of the Jews who first started coming back to the State were not happy with the Flag having that Satanic Whore Star on it in fact.
No Christian could be so stupid or totally ignorant as to that Star represents, it's 666, it's the works of man, it has 3 sixes within it and all, just count them they are all their to see. remember Moloch ? woken up now ! the killing of children and so, yes Moloch is being worshiped today in abortion by the millions right under your nose in ways that are a total disgrace, not to mention that the stupid Nazi dupes had meddles with swazsticker on one side and the moloch Star on the other.
Yes as to the high political command they were both in bed with each other and as cunning as they come in creating deceptions and the deceptions still are being covered up. the day will come when all this work of Satanist is exposed truly for what it was and is.
They lead the people astray, all Nations ! to their cunning.
And when this Whore State that's an impostor as to Israel comes to dominate the whole world then the biggest culling will start that the world will ever seen. like Jesus said of them that they were of their Father ? ring a bell !

Any true born again Christian knows that the Kingdom of God is within you, it is not of this world in fact, the people who look to the world for such are lead by Satan in fact. you ask a miss, your passions ? deceiving yourselves because your religion is vain. ones religion will not save you, as only it is One who saves. Satan creeps into religion and most are deceived by it's workings.

 

[Timtofly]

Well you certainly painted the picture that there are none righteous, No, Not one!

 

[Timtofly]

How does that fit with the mark Revelation 13? Are you saying this took place at the fall of man? So part of revelation is also in Genesis?

The curse started 6000 years ago with Adam. The time of punishment is over. God says that humanity no longer has to bear the curse.

Those who follow Satan want to go on in the punishment, past the time demanded. Sin is so fun, they enjoy the punishment too much.

Back 40 years ago, the joke was to just go to hell and have a round of beer on Satan. Nothing matters any way.

God provides a way out of this mess, but most think it is too easy, so they ignore the Gospel message.

 

[Renniks]

The curse started 6000 years ago with Adam. The time of punishment is over. God says that humanity no longer has to bear the curse.

Those who follow Satan want to go on in the punishment, past the time demanded. Sin is so fun, they enjoy the punishment too much.

Back 40 years ago, the joke was to just go to hell and have a round of beer on Satan. Nothing matters any way.

God provides a way out of this mess, but most think it is too easy, so they ignore the Gospel message.

I don't see how that answers the question about the mark. So, you are saying we are all born with the mark?
I guess I never heard that joke 40 years ago. From my perspective, God was good and life was good at that time.

 

[Timtofly]

I don't see how that answers the question about the mark. So, you are saying we are all born with the mark?
I guess I never heard that joke 40 years ago. From my perspective, God was good and life was good at that time.

Yes everyone since Adam has been marked to carry out the punishment of labor and the sweat of one's brow. That is the physical side of Adam's disobedience. Jesus contrasted that punishment with His own plan of redemption in Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to me, all of you who are struggling and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Jesus does not take work away from us, but having the mind of Christ relieves the stress that this life places on us.

 

[Earburner]

We must remember that John a 1st century human was looking at life going on today. He had to use symbolism to explain to 1st century Christian. To call today symbolism to us is sorta being blind eyed. What is happening now is the literal acts John was trying to explain to those in his time.

Revelation is the literal things going on today. What did John see today that we refuse to accept?

I agree!! What did John know about concerning automobiles, aircraft, guns and gun powder, rockets and missles, or that of a nuclear blast? Nothing!!
So, what could he compare the images in his visions to in his day, in order to describe it?
Ans. By only that which was knowable in his day!
Since that is the real situation, what is it that we are looking at in Revelation 9:3-10?
Did John see a global application of a vaccine innoculation?
Also, what is Revevelation 9:12-15? Is that WW3 in the mideast, that is to take place on a specificate date?
For 1/3 of men to be slain/killed in one hour, is speaking of a brief and horrific event of war.

 

[Timtofly]

I agree!! What did John know about concerning automobiles, aircraft, guns and gun powder, rockets and missles, or that of a nuclear blast? Nothing!!
So, what could he compare the images in his visions to in his day, in order to describe it?
Ans. By only that which was knowable in his day!
Since that is the real situation, what is it that we are looking at in Revelation 9:3-10?
Did John see a global application of a vaccine innoculation?
Also, what is Revevelation 9:12-15? Is that WW3 in the mideast, that is to take place on a specificate date?
For 1/3 of men to be slain/killed in one hour, is speaking of a brief and horrific event of war.

I agree as well, but the trumpets come after the seals. John saw the first two seals of Revelation 6:1-4 as covid19.
"Next I watched as the Lamb broke the first of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living beings say in a thundering voice, “Go!”
2 I looked, and there in front of me was a white horse; its rider had a bow and was given a crown; and he rode off as a conqueror to conquer.
3 When he broke the second seal, I heard the second living being say, “Go!”
4 Another horse went out, a red one; and its rider was given the power to take peace away from the earth and make people slaughter each other. He was given a great sword."

 

[Renniks]

Yes everyone since Adam has been marked to carry out the punishment of labor and the sweat of one's brow. That is the physical side of Adam's disobedience. Jesus contrasted that punishment with His own plan of redemption in Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to me, all of you who are struggling and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Jesus does not take work away from us, but having the mind of Christ relieves the stress that this life places on us.

But the mark is given by the beast, not God. God gave us work.

I agree as well, but the trumpets come after the seals. John saw the first two seals of Revelation 6:1-4 as covid19.

This is pure speculation. It's about people killing each other, not a virus killing people. Obviously a reference to war.