Are you Rapture (Catching Up) Ready?? Beware!!

[CharismaticLady]

The children in Egypt were Hebrews, Jews, not NT believers. After the church leaves and Satan can no longer hide behind his deceptions, living Israel is still here trying to exist in the Middle East. Many still trying to get out of "Egypt". All trying to get "Egypt" out of Israel!!

You missed the point.

 

[Helen]

You missed the point.

I am pretty sure that he missed many points...but is convinced that he himself has many point ...

 

[Timtofly]

I am pretty sure that he missed many points...but is convinced that he himself has many point ...

Convinced is not the key here. Obedience to God is. If one is worried about offending people instead of offending God, they have bigger issues than offending posters.

 

[Nancy]

I used to believe in soul sleep when I was SDA, because of the verse they used of "not knowing anything under the sun." But then I got to thinking, 'what about above the sun.' 1 Thes. 4 also say Jesus will bring those to are asleep WITH Him. So for me, the dead in Christ are with Him always.

Ha! Interesting, never thought of it that way..."above the sun"

 

[Timtofly]

You missed the point.

No, I was pointing out who was the point, and who is the point. Show me a verse that says the church will have plagues so the church will get the choice right, and leave the slavery behind. The Hebrews had no choice in being slaves. Are you saying the church is forced to this world's slavery, without a choice? The rapture is not a revival where the church repents and turns from their sins and then God decides to rapture them. God is going to rapture the church whether she is ready or not. Plagues are not going to change the churches heart and make her repent. Plagues are not for the church but for Satan and the world. Nor should God be rescuing the church from her own sins. The rapture does not happen according to the church's timetable. It is only in God's knowledge and not even the Son's.

Saying the church has to ride out plagues in Egypt is a point that does not even come close to being a friendly analogy. That God punishes the world because the church failed is not something to be proud of and wear as a badge of perseverence. Really? Making the world suffer in the church's punishment should be shameful. The blood of lost souls will be on our hands, and you think getting a reward for perseverance makes that shame and blood on our hands, better? The idea that the rapture is an escape, is a lie of the worse kind by Satan. But not much better is saying the church sticks around because judgment is a great blessing on the church. The church does not "stick around" nor is the rapture "an escape".

The rapture happens because the Holy Spirit had Paul put it in words as a future event. God is now telling you when it happens so you can be prepared, instead of just foolish virgins listening to foolish theology. The point has always been that the church is not supposed to immerse herself in wordy affairs but should always be ready. Now in time of great apostasy, it means repentance, humbleness, seeking God, not an Antichrist, and turning from wickedness. God will heal us of our apostasy. Then we can be prepared, and tribulation will not be because of us or for us. The difference is that the Church is not the Hebrews. Egypt will always be the world. The church was supposed to change the world. The Hebrews were supposed to leave, not change the world. They could not even change themselves. The church has the authority to change themselves and the world. God gave her that authority.

 

[Nancy]

Personally, I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture because of Revelation 3:10.

I've been thinking about this lately. Is their not a difference between God's wrath and Satan's persecution? God seals His saints before His full wrath comes upon this world, but should we not build our faith as much as possible in case there in not a pre-trib rapture?

 

[OzSpen]

We cannot know the hour or day for Jesus's return but we are comanded to know when the day of His return is near and that time is TODAY!!

How do you know that statement is true - according to Scripture?

 

[GISMYS_7]

How do you know that statement is true - according to Scripture?

We must choose to believe God's eternal living Word or satan's deception and lies!!!

 

[Nancy]

How do you know that statement is true - according to Scripture?

Hi Oz...you won't get very many direct answers to your questions here, I find...you asked him a direct question to cite the scripture for his statement and he totally did not do that. Just more of what he is hearing others in his Church say and, spouting it all as God's total truth. I don't know why I am even on this thread...sometimes just can't help myself, lol.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Hi Oz...you won't get very many direct answers to your questions here, I find...you asked him a direct question to cite the scripture for his statement and he totally did not do that. Just more of what he is hearing others in his Church say and, spouting it all as God's total truth. I don't know why I am even on this thread...sometimes just can't help myself, lol.

Bottomline=Do you believe God's inspired eternal Word or satan's deceptions and lies??

 

[Nancy]

Bottomline=Do you believe God's inspired eternal Word or satan's deceptions and lies??

I sure do believe every word in those 66 books but, not at all in the way that you do, so...I am going to bow out here...our stances have been made ad nauseum and, I should have just shut up and went on my way.
God Bless and grow you

 

[GISMYS_7]

I sure do believe every word in those 66 books but, not at all in the way that you do, so...I am going to bow out here...our stances have been made ad nauseum and, I should have just shut up and went on my way.
God Bless and grow you

Understand and believe==
Are you Rapture (Catching Up) Ready?? Beware!! Time is very,very short!
God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

1 Thess.. 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Timtofly]

I can say it is soon and that the first 3 seals of Revelation 6 have been opened. The mark of the beast refers to 6000 years. The mystery of the mark is in Revelation 13. The seals are about the Atonement and the sealed up Lamb's book of life. When the 7th seal is opened the church will be complete and in heaven. Revelation 7. The church only had 2000 years, and it has been 1990 since the Cross and start of the church age. A calander can confirm that. Jesus said in Matthew 24, that these days would be shortened for the elect sake. Even though the seals have started, 3.5 years have been taken away. Now if we, the church, could rob Satan of his 3.5 years, it will all be over in April of 2023AD. Most here seemed intent on welcoming Satan and his 3.5 years just to prove one can persevere. I guess doing nothing but perseverence for the next 7 years or so is a terrible waste of time.

The Trumpets are for those alive today, who God knows are the twelve tribes of Israel. The Thunderings are for the Nations. The Second Coming is the end of the age for the church and Adam's 6000 years of punishment. The time was 2000 years for the church minus the 3.5 God took away. The Hebrews had 1400 years from Jericho to Christ. The Nations had 2600 years from Adam to Jericho. Jericho was the victory over the Nations. Because Abraham jumped the gun, he had to wait 600 years for Ishmael. Sodom and Gomorrah could have been the end of the Nations, but Lot also got two nations that made trouble for Israel. So God gave the nations, Israel, and the church almost equal time, and in the end will judge all three in the seals, trumpets, and thunders. It is the harvest and all three will be harvested accordingly.

Do you all believe that, is the other thing. I am trying to stop Satan, and you all are looking for Satan. What is wrong with this belief system in play. I am praying that God comes back to a revival, not an apostate church. I do not want Satan to have 3.5 years. Yet you all still do not believe. Whose side are you really on, looking for Satan and thinking self righteousness, instead of revival? Yes being able to persevere like Job in the middle of tribulation is what self righteousness is, because you do it for the wrong reasons, just like Job did. God is not giving the church an escape route. It is God's Sovereign plan, and you all think it is your own will to do things.

Remember that Abraham lost 600 years, because he did not trust God. The church can loose 3.5 years because she cannot trust God. With all this, you all still remain in unbelief. All these examples from the Bible, yet we prefer not to learn from history, but let history school us with experience. Will God find Faith, that is trust in God when God suddenly shows up?

 

[prism]

No, because I do not believe in something that was invented in the 1800's by a man

All eschatology theories were invented sometime in history including Amillennialism.
The question should be "Can the theory be backed up with Scripture?" ...not when it was derived.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Nah.
Rapture "Ready" are those Saved and Quickened.

Jesus repeatedly Warned to be "Ready"...become Saved, because we know not the hour Christ shall return.

Rapture IS the day calls His Church UP to Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

If you're saved you are already ready for His return.

 

[Bobby Jo]

If you're saved you are already ready for His return.

I'M SAVED! But I'm not ready for HIS Return. I've still got the upstairs "loft" bathroom to make functional (it has "pony walls" -- which are only "half high" walls that need to go up to the ceiling); I'd like to re-fence the property (some places have holes in the fencing); raise the old 12'x26' wooden shed and place a foundation under it, lifting it some 30" to increase the "head-height" from 6' to 8 1/2'; and of course stock the pantry with a 12 month supply of canned goods for a dozen people plus "spares" for the "needy" (they have a shorter shelf-life than grains and are the last to be purchased).

So NO, I ain't anywhere near being "READY", but no worries, -- we still have some 12-14 months until we can't buy or sell, and then if we can survive the Global Thermonuclear War we should be in good shape. But I'm WAITING to buy the canned goods!

With Very Best Regards (WVBR),
Bobby Jo

PS My lovely wife OFTEN reminds me how precious life is, and that JESUS COULD COME FOR ME AT ANY MOMENT. And then she adds: ... if you don't knock it off. -- So whatever I'm doing, I STOP!

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
Jesus repeatedly Warned to be "Ready"...become Saved, because we know not the hour Christ shall return.
...

DAY or HOUR, DAY OR HOUR! -- Why do people butcher Scripture?!? And exactly who is the SOURCE for abusing Scripture, -- it ain't Jesus, so it must be the other guy.

1 Thess. 5 says the Church is not in darkness, so we CAN and SHOULD know the: Week; Month, Season; Year (1); Decade (10); Score (20); Century (100); Daytona (500); and Millennia (1,000). But if you're NOT part of Jesus' Church, YOU WILL BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE.


And being part of Jesus' Church, I have no problem knowing that we crossed the threshold of the Tribulation some 23 months ago, and have some 12-14 months until we can't buy or sell, then a subsequent 5 months until Global Thermonuclear War, whereupon we can expect Jesus to appear.

So one would be prudent to heed Luke 22:35-36 where the Church is told to be PREPARED with a Purse, a Bag, and a Sword. OR, maybe it's ok to simply cross your fingers when society collapses and the criminals attack you and your family.

I'm sure everything will work out just fine. -- Nothing to see, move along ...
Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

Jesus said that any "Jesus" appearing before the rapture in the flesh, is a false spirit. Why do you want false spirits to appear to people? We have God's Word already as written. We have the seal of the Holy Spirit. We have the Holy Spirit directly working. Are you preaching a false Jesus, who can appear to individuals? That is not in the Bible, accept as a warning that it is of Satan, and definitely not of God.

The Bible says he will appear the second time. I didn't make that up.

I also remember reading that Jesus appeared to Stephen. So says the book of Acts. And he appeared to John and give him a revelation. Paul also said he appeared to him. You may want to revisit your views. You may be thinking of:

Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

That is men running around saying, "Jesus is over here." That is not how he comes the second time. It also is not how he comes the first time.

I am trying to stop Satan, and you all are looking for Satan.

When it is time, Jesus will stop Satan.

 

[OzSpen]

We must choose to believe God's eternal living Word or satan's deception and lies!!!

You didn't answer my question.

 

[OzSpen]

Hi Oz...you won't get very many direct answers to your questions here, I find...you asked him a direct question to cite the scripture for his statement and he totally did not do that. Just more of what he is hearing others in his Church say and, spouting it all as God's total truth. I don't know why I am even on this thread...sometimes just can't help myself, lol.

Nancy,

You are correct, but I've tried to get this person to not make assertions/opinions but engage in reasonable, Bible-based discussion. Seems as though that's not possible with this person.

If I can't get anywhere with Scripture, I'll back out of the thread. I do writing for publication and I'm working on an article now. So, my time will be well spent.

Oz