'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So then, what you are saying is, you do not have a personal understanding about God, except for what the scriptures literally say.
Okay, I see that!
Since you do have faith in the scriptures, how does God deliver to His people the Gift of eternal life, and when does that take place?

Worse than the devil's theologian is satan's psychiatrist and the only thing worse than him is his Sunday school teacher.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

But unfortunately, that truth is diametrically opposed to the JW view of the beginning of Jesus Christ, in that they believe that Jesus' life began, when He was made flesh. Iows, to them Jesus had no pre-existence of any kind.
The JW view is of that spirit of antichrist.
1 John 4:2 2 John 1:7

And your view about the end of Jesus Christ is that spirit of Lord SELF.

 

[Earburner]

<<the Holy Spirit is the personification of God the Father and God the Son together>> This is satanic earcreeper's POISON. The Holy Spirit of God is God in Person HIMSELF.

Not until the Spirit communicated Christ in the Scriptures to him will the sinner savingly have received the Faith of Christ. "Christ in me" is the Jesus in the Gospel, not the spirit in me.

As usual, you are still beside yourself, by yourself!
You said: "The Holy Spirit of God is God in Person HIMSELF."
So tell me, where do I deny that?? I don't!

But, you are now ready to tell me that Jesus is not also God. KJV John 1:1-5 John 14:23 Genesis 1:26.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

How one understands the Godhead, of how God exists, is not the determining factor of our salvation. John 4:24 Hebrews 11:6 Romans 8:8-9
However, if anyone denies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, they are of that spirit of antichrist, and therefore shall remain condemned already, until they come to repentance unto God, through faith in Jesus.
1 John 4:2 2 John 1:7 John 3:18

God the Son Jesus Christ came from the grave in the flesh and body He died God the Son Jesus Christ -- not earcreepers' flesh and Inner Venom, you assuming God and Christ blasphemer!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

As usual, you are still beside yourself, by yourself!
You said: "The Holy Spirit of God is God in Person HIMSELF."
So tell me, where do I deny that?? I don't!
But, you are now ready to tell me that Jesus is not also God. KJV John 1:1-5 John 14:23 Genesis 1:26.

Bull posted for the sake of bull

 

[Earburner]

And your view about the end of Jesus Christ is that spirit of Lord SELF.

Why even go there, when you can't discern and understand the eternal person, who is 2nd in the godhead!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

So then, what you are saying is, you do not have a personal understanding about God, except for what the scriptures literally say.
Okay, I see that!
Since you do have faith in the scriptures, how does God deliver to His people the Gift of eternal life, and when does that take place?

I'm saying I don't go by imperfect people's interpretations. If it's written down in Scripture that God, "sent his Only Begotten Son to the world," that's what I believe. What you and others, think or say about me because I believe that when all of you are just imperfect men/women doesn't concern me. Imperfect men/women can say they have God Holy Spirit and they can honestly believe that to be true, but that doesn't mean it is true.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

So Barney BRIGHT is going to keep on following Barney BRIGHT. So do! Follow Barney BRIGHT'S <interpretation of what Scripture says>>. Of course Barney Bright does not grope along in the dark of JWs idol temple where only the sound of fool's gold seven singles echoes through the corridors.

I go by what's written down in the Bible, not by anyone's interpretation. If the scriptures say God sent his Only Begotten Son to the world, that's what I believe it's what's written down.

 

[farouk]

1 Corinthians 15.57.

 

[farouk]

But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Great verse there!

 

[Earburner]

That Scripture you quoted at Matthew verse 16 Simon Peter doesn't declare Jesus to be The Living God but instead declares Jesus to be the Son of The Living God. Since what's written down in Scripture is that Simon Peter declares Jesus to be, The Son of The Living God, that's what I'm going to believe, not something that a person or persons interprets what that verse means.

My ref. was: Matthew 16:15-17
Though you are fanatically moved to declare that Jesus is NOT God, my point and focus was HOW do we know that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and not anything that we may imagine?

So the question remains, HOW DID YOU come to understand and KNOW, that Jesus IS the Son of the Living God?

 

[Earburner]

Barney, you must've missed my question to you, so here it is again:
"So then, what you are saying is, you do not have a personal understanding about God, except for what the scriptures literally say.
Okay, I see that!
Since you do have faith in the scriptures, how does God deliver to His people the Gift of eternal life, and when does that take place?"

 

[Earburner]

To "mjrhealth": my addition of ref. to my reply at 9:53am today:
"Brought forth" KJV Proverbs 8:24-25

 

[Earburner]

God the Son Jesus Christ came from the grave in the flesh and body He died God the Son Jesus Christ -- not earcreepers' flesh and Inner Venom, you assuming God and Christ blasphemer!

Sorry, you do misunderstand the issue at hand. When did Jesus enter into this world flesh?

 

[Earburner]

^ edit: ... this world of flesh?

 

[Davy]

....
Hello there,

I have begun a study on resurrection, and began with reading through 1 Corinthians 15, a wonderful chapter on that subject.

The verses above show clearly that it is at the moment of our resurrection from the dead that death for us will be swallowed up in victory. Not at the moment of our death, but at our resurrection from the dead, which is yet to come.

Do you have any comment.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Your interpretation is really a 'fleshy' thinking about the resurrection. We don't get new flesh bodies, so the resurrection really is not about a literal dead in the ground waiting to be raised idea. That idea is from the old Jewish traditions of men.

Ecclesiastes 12 was the first Scriptures that reveals what happens at death, and what our makeup is that God created us with.

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.
KJV

That is the first ever Bible mention of the idea of a "silver cord" being a link between that "spirit" and the flesh. Old traditions treat that "spirit" part like just something that animates all things with life, like animals and plants also have it. But in Matthew 10:28 Jesus said to not fear one who can kill the body (flesh), but not the soul. That reveals that our soul is connected to that spirit that goes back to God at flesh death.

In 1 Corinthians 15, this is actually what Apostle Paul was teaching, revealing that both our flesh must be changed to a body of incorruption, and our "this mortal" (soul) must put on immortality. The "spiritual body" is our "image of the heavenly" Paul spoke of. It is that "spirit" part of Eccl.12 that goes back to God at flesh death. It dwells inside our flesh body even now, it's our spirit inside our flesh. It is our person, our individual personality. In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that if our flesh house were dissolved, we have another house not made with hands (i.e., not of flesh), eternal in the heavens. That's about our spiritual body that dwells inside our flesh body. When our flesh body dies, our spiritual body merely steps out of it.

One of the ancient pagan beliefs about the soul/spirit was that at flesh death it's like a drop of water that goes back into the Great Sea (their concept for God). And by that it loses its individuality. It is absorbed into the "great All" some of them would say. That is not how it is, thankfully. Our spirit with soul retains its individuality after death of our flesh body. Otherwise each person's works could not be judged because the person would simply no longer exist. Eastern mysticism practice actually depends a lot on the concept of the individual becoming absorbed into the Great All of Cosmic Consciousness. That is why their practice of meditation is about removing all thoughts and trying to become 'one' with the Great All. That is a primitive belief system and it goes back to the days of ancient pagan tribalism.

 

[Earburner]

Worse than the devil's theologian is satan's psychiatrist and the only thing worse than him is his Sunday school teacher.

I can always tell when the truth is being revealed, your dull, fiery darts are launched from your neck of the woods.
Again...
Q. When did Jesus enter into this world of flesh?

 

[Earburner]

Your interpretation is really a 'fleshy' thinking about the resurrection. We don't get new flesh bodies, so the resurrection really is not about a literal dead in the ground waiting to be raised idea. That idea is from the old Jewish traditions of men.

Ecclesiastes 12 was the first Scriptures that reveals what happens at death, and what our makeup is that God created us with.

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.
KJV

That is the first ever Bible mention of the idea of a "silver cord" being a link between that "spirit" and the flesh. Old traditions treat that "spirit" part like just something that animates all things with life, like animals and plants also have it. But in Matthew 10:28 Jesus said to not fear one who can kill the body (flesh), but not the soul. That reveals that our soul is connected to that spirit that goes back to God at flesh death.

In 1 Corinthians 15, this is actually what Apostle Paul was teaching, revealing that both our flesh must be changed to a body of incorruption, and our "this mortal" (soul) must put on immortality. The "spiritual body" is our "image of the heavenly" Paul spoke of. It is that "spirit" part of Eccl.12 that goes back to God at flesh death. It dwells inside our flesh body even now, it's our spirit inside our flesh. It is our person, our individual personality. In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that if our flesh house were dissolved, we have another house not made with hands (i.e., not of flesh), eternal in the heavens. That's about our spiritual body that dwells inside our flesh body. When our flesh body dies, our spiritual body merely steps out of it.

One of the ancient pagan beliefs about the soul/spirit was that at flesh death it's like a drop of water that goes back into the Great Sea (their concept for God). And by that it loses its individuality. It is absorbed into the "great All" some of them would say. That is not how it is, thankfully. Our spirit with soul retains its individuality after death of our flesh body. Otherwise each person's works could not be judged because the person would simply no longer exist. Eastern mysticism practice actually depends a lot on the concept of the individual becoming absorbed into the Great All of Cosmic Consciousness. That is why their practice of meditation is about removing all thoughts and trying to become 'one' with the Great All. That is a primitive belief system and it goes back to the days of ancient pagan tribalism.

Go see Thomas about what he saw, and then what Jesus said about Himself, in His new Resurrected (not resucitated) body.
John 20:24-29.

 

[Earburner]

Davy has been suckered and sucked into the New Age Thinking of the Luciferian Doctrine!

 

[Davy]

Go see Thomas about what he saw, and then what Jesus said about Himself, in His new Resurrected (not resucitated) body.
John 20:24-29.

Our Lord Jesus' flesh body was transfigured to show the marks of His crucifixion. That is not what happens to us.

1 Cor 15:50
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

The resurrection body, or "spiritual body" that Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15, is a body like the angels per our Lord Jesus...

Matt 22:30
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
KJV


We are given Bible examples like in Genesis 18 & 19 about angels being able to walk and talk upon this earth, eat man's food, and appear with the image of man. Hebrews 13 even tells us to be hospitable to strangers, because some have entertained angels unaware. Same with Christ's resurrection body. He was able to walk on the earth, and sit down and eat man's food. But to show that body was of a different dimension, He could suddenly appear right in the midst of His disciples, and likewise disappear right in front of them, as written. A flesh body cannot do that.

So even though the resurrection body can do many things similar to a flesh body, look like one and feel like one, still, it is not a flesh body, which would still be a body of corruption.