Not a sinner.

[Behold]

No more animal sacrifice. Before you knew about Jesus, you could bring your lamb to the temple and God would receive it, under the covenant that is "growing obsolete, and getting ready to vanish away". But then you learn about Jesus, the Gospel. Now you cannot just go back to the temple. It's Jesus or nothing.

Much love!

Reader,

Not only can you not go back to the temple, as Marks stated, you have become it.
We the born again are the "temple of the Holy Spirit".
Can God live in a dirty Temple... ????????
Nope.
"well, behold, my pope, pastor, minister, mom and dad, and my bishop, and my priest all told me that i am "going to sin some, continually, because that is why repenting and confessing" exist. = and deceived people believe that is what Christianity is all about. That God saved you with His own blood, so that you can now go sin and repent and never stop.

""" Behold, im supposed to sin so that i can repent it all away so that God will take me back again and again and again"... See, that's the Gospel, behold".
= That is your religion of self effort to try to replace the blood of Jesus with YOURSELF.
GET OFF THE CROSS, you are not worthy to be up there.....
Believe it.

Or this one.....>"Behold, im supposed to be a repenting sinner so that i can run to 1st John and misunderstand "if we say we have no sin", thinking that is the Apostle who is a dirty sinner talking to a bunch of born again dirty sinners"... = yikes. !!

So really?
You think you are a sinner, because you mess up, and feel guilty?
Listen, the only way you can be a "sinner" is to be an unbeliever., and then the dominion of the Law can truthfully define you as a sinner.
There is NO sin in Christ, and if you are born again, you are "In Christ".
IF you are born again, you are RE-DEFINED by the Blood of JESUS, as God's SON, a Saint, and a Child of the Light.

"But behold, what if i sin"...... = You can't. What you can do is a work of the flesh, that i teach as a carnal deed, and Paul defines as a "work of the flesh".

If you want to sin, then you'd have to be not-born again.

But behold.......that verse that says...>"if any man sin', we have an advocate".
YES< if any man does.
But that verse does not say, if any BORN AGAIN sin...... does it?
It does not.
You have to notice the little word play in verses, so that you discover who the verse is NOT Talking to..... Reader.

See, God lives in you, because He has made YOU his very Righteousness.
God would not live in you, nor would Christ, nor would the Holy Spirit, if you were a sinner.
You are not a sinner, if you are born again.
You are a saint who is "ONE" with God and Christ.
Only the Law can define you as a sinner.
You are not under the law, you are under Grace, if you are born again.

Can you commit a carnal deed, or commit a work of the flesh? Yep.
Can you "sin" if you are born again?.....Not if God is in you.
Is He?
Then there is your final answer.

 

[101G]

"But behold, what if i sin"...... = You can't. What you can do is a work of the flesh, that i teach as a carnal deed, and Paul defines as a "work of the flesh".

1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

now back to what i asked before. you don't sin? yes or no.

PICJAG

 

[Behold]

We have no great quarrel on any personal level, but as per Post #18 you and I are not in agreement on this thread either.

I didnt write post #18.
So, if you are in disagreement with that one, i didnt write it.
Its better for us both , for you to quote me, and explain what you have an issue with so that i have an opportunity to discuss what i said.
But if i didnt say it, and you have an issue with it, then take it up with the poster.
Seems fair.

 

[Behold]

Except . . . It is no longer I that sin, but sin that lives in me.

Thank you for again quoting a verse that is the first part of what Paul said, before he later says that sin is works of the flesh.
Paul does a lot of explaining regarding how the dominion of the law defines your carnality as sin, but once you are not under the Law, all that changes.
See, you have to read more then a commentary, or you will end up like you are..
Its the same issue with people who read a commentary written by another heretic, who is a Cross denying grace rejecting person, that teaches...>"see this....Paul said he is the sinning Chief of us all".
But Paul didnt teach that.... the heretic does..

So, (in your flesh) is no good thing, and your flesh is the old man, and the old man is Crucified with Christ.
Paul said it dead and you are to esteem it and reckon it DEAD.
YOu are not to talk about it, and live inside it, and hooray it, by saying you are "still a sinner, look at me, im still one, im still one, let me repent".
Stop all that carnality.
You dont yet understand all this, so you'll talk more about how you sin, and sin is in you, ect.

My Advice, ... believe that the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.. = He was to become your sin and not just forgive you for it all.
Thats is what He did for you.
If you can get to that place of understanding, regarding the Grace of God and the Blood Atonement, you can free your mind from sin consciousness that you have, and you can even stop committing carnal deeds.

 

[Behold]

True. Christians are saints. But they are also sinning saints, since no Christian is sinlessly perfect. Sinners are those who have not been redeemed. Saints are those who have been redeemed. But all saints are exhorted to refrain from sinning, since they can and do sin.

Go here:

Take the Law away..

 

[Behold]

1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

now back to what i asked before. you don't sin? yes or no.

PICJAG

There is no sin in Christ.
Also, note that in your verse.... John does not tell this "man" to confess and repent".
This is because there is no Sin in Christ., so, if talking to a "man", as a general term for a human being, then yes, there is the CROSS.
Thats true... Jesus is every "Man's Advocate, but He is not every person's Savior......only the born again.

John is stating that the advocacy for the sin of the world, is always, for every man, the same.
"jesus Christ the Righteous".
Notice that John did not say, if any born again child of God sin....
So, you have to read the verse, 101g
Stop reading the commentaries., as they are ruining your faith.

And no, i dont sin, as a Child of God can't, as John teaches... 1 John 3:9. "" he cannot sin, because he is born of God""
So, pay attention 101g. Notice in your verse where John is not talking about BELIEVERS, but "man", he says they can sin.
But in 1 John 3:9, when John is talking about "born of GOD". = The born AGAIN, John says they cannot SIN.

Can you READ?
Did you read that?
Try it.

I dont repent to try to make God feel better.
I dont confess what Jesus has already Forgiven, = all my sin.
I am not perfect. I am, however, the Righteousness of God in Christ.
I am HUMAN..... i have my flesh that would try to run me.
I dont let it......... This is "victory" over sin, Thru Christ, that Paul teaches..
WE dont let our old dead man, these "sin patterns", become our mind.

Im In Christ, and Just like Paul, i have Victory over sin.
You dont, that is why you are on a Christian forum,not understanding anything about the Blood Atonement.
If you did understand it, you would not think of yourself as a SINNER, or try to teach deception.

Let me be clear so that you can stop asking me the same question.
I am not a sinner......
I am a born again Child of God.
A Saint.
Blood bought and Redeemed.
Eternally Secure.
Im "in Christ".
Im an "heir of God".
I am ONE with God and Christ".

 

[101G]

There is no sin in Christ.

but in YOU.
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Is this verse correct?

PICJAG

 

[101G]

And no, i dont sin, as a Child of God can't, as John teaches... 1 John 3:9. "" he cannot sin, because he is born of God""
So, pay attention 101g. Notice in your verse where John is not talking about BELIEVERS, but "man", he says they can sin.
But in 1 John 3:9, when John is talking about "born of GOD". = The born AGAIN, John says they cannot SIN.

another ERROR on your part, John is speaking to christians in CHRIST.

1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

believers have fellowship with God, so can you READ?

PICJAG

 

[Behold]

but in YOU.
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Is this verse correct?

PICJAG

John has no sin in himself, 101G.
Apostles were not sinners, they were not filled with sin... because their "sinning part", their "old man", was crucified with Christ.
Its DEAD.
Its not alive.
Its not us.
When we are sin minded, this is not sin in us, if we are born again....this is sin CONSCIOUSNESS.

Its like this..
You have a harddrive. - memories and habits and so forth.
You wipe it with the Blood of Jesus and are born again...
Stuff is still there.. as sin consciousness.
Ask a child porn inmate about that...as they all wipe their hard drives, then the cops take their Hard Drives and find the child porn.
= "25 yrs, Next"

So, the Blood of Jesus, WIPED your hard drive CLEAN.,, thought patters, habits, lusts, all this carnality, if you are born again.
But, you have tracks... its like grooves in your mind, where sin played itself all the time.. all your life.
So, now, even when we are born again, we have these imprints, that are not the same as when were sinners and unbelievers.

So, a person who is born again, has these mental things in there, from all the years, ......of sinning.
The sin is Gone, but the hard drive has these impressions... this is sin consciousness.
What we do, is, ... NOT resist the lust. If you fight the carnal desires, you will give the Law power to cause you to sin more.
Thats the strange but true aspect of why people sin who dont want to, = unbelievers, or believers who are dealing with sin consciousness and strive against it.
= UP POPS THE POWER OF THE LAW and you will do that deed, and do it again, for as long as you keep resisting it in YOUR WILL.
And to make this worse, is if you are trained by a really bad deceiver who has you believing that you can count on sinning and repenting, that you are supposed to think that way.
That's the devil's lie, 101g.

The way you stop sinning, is this......"Apart from Me, Jesus says, you can do NOTHING"... including stop committing those carnal deeds.

The solution is to be come this place in your BELIEVING... Hebrews 13:9.
You learn what this means, and you live it, daily.
YOU LIVE IT.
You learn that the blood of Jesus has made you righteous, and this never changes.
You learn to SEE YOURSELF as God sees you, and then your Mind begins to leave the carnal realm of guilt and feelings and wrong belief.
Once you get there, sin consciousness fades and fades and becomes NOTHING.

You're FREE.

 

[Behold]

1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

PICJAG

Walking in darkness is to be spiritually blind.

The devil does this to people.... as he "blinds the mind".
Jesus explains it like this....>"be careful that the light in you is not darkness".
This means, regarding a believer, they are theologically ruined, regarding their misunderstanding of the Blood Atonement and the Grace of God.
In other words, they are "heretics". They are "fallen from Grace".
They never want to talk about the Cross or the Lord, they only want to find some way to put a believer under bondage to self effort. "the gospel of works".
See, you can't walk in darkness, and teach the truth.
The Truth exposes the dark. And the people who are dark lights, are those who are walking in darkness, as John explains in your verse.

I can write this phrase..."The blood of Jesus that saved you, keeps you saved".
I can ask most of the people who have issues with me here, to explain why my phrase is true, and they will not be able to do it.
That is either because they are not saved, or they are walking in darkness, or both.

A heretic will say.......""well, salvation is not just "believe on the Lord and you shall be saved"....but its really you have to "abide".. You have to "endure".. You have to, "keep the commandments"..
So, walking in darkness, is always related to not Giving Christ all the Credit due Him for saving us and keeping us saved.
Walking in darkness also plays out as ...>"well sure we have sin, the blood of Christ does not deal with ALL sin"..
So, see that lie? Its all over forums, but its presented like this.....>>"you can lose your salvation"... "dead faith, means dead salvation". etc.

The devil is clever, He is always getting people to sound like a "Christian", yet they can't understand anything about Grace, and in fact, can't stand it, and will refer to it as "license" or similar.

 

[101G]

@Behold , I know your problem, or lack of understanding what John is saying here. listen up.
I see you have no clue of “Fellowship” vs “Relationship”. nothing can break the bond of our “Relationship” to God, but we can interrupt the “Fellowship” with God because of our sins,

See, our redemption in Christ Jesus are of our “sins” that are past, supportive scripture, Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Now what about the sins of the future, answer, 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (the we included John, us, all christian). WHY?

because confession of sins is for christians. (READ THAT AGAIN). God never require an unbeliever to confess their sins in order to be save, NO, but to confess JESUS in order to be saved.
1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Behold you don’t understand, “Fellowship” vs “Relationship” in God, that’s your ignorance of the word.

in a “Relationship” one cannot sin because of the Spirit. example, Just as a child is never without the parent. when a woman birth a child, that child will alway be that woman child, that's a “Relationship” that can never be BROKEN. this is what we have in Christ... the “Relationship”.

NOW, as in the example, as a child grows up and committ a crime, guess what, the “Relationship” between mother and child never changes, but because of the crime/sin, the enjoyment of the “Relationship” is broke by that crime/sin... hence the reason for 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

OUR, your, us sins break, or seperate us from the “Fellowship”, or that enjoyment of the the “Relationship” we have in
Christ Jesus.

My God how hard is it to undertstand.

what you're teaching is a pipe dream while we're still in these flesh bodies. for sin was condemned in the flesh, and that's where our problem is. the apostle Paul had to fight with his flesh every day, and so do we.
Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
Galatians 5:17 "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." (BINGO).
Galatians 5:18 "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law."

Can you commit a carnal deed, or commit a work of the flesh? Yep.
Can you "sin" if you are born again?.....Not if God is in you.

that's one of the most ?????? answer one can make. as long as you're in this natural flesh you will sin. but we have a new covenant of GRACE.... which we GROW in.

so you ERROR in “Fellowship” vs “Relationship” in Christ.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

lets build more. Sin is condemned in the flesh, and as you said "when we committ a carnal deed, well that's sin.

this is why REDEMPTION is two fold, our spirit first, and when he come, or return in his glorified body, our bodies will be changed.

this is why we're getting new bodies, because of the sin in them. that's why the apostle tells us how to keep from sinning. the object of growing in grace is not to sin, but if we do, as any parent with a child correction comes. Hebrews 12:6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."
Hebrews 12:7 "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"
Hebrews 12:8 "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

God don't have a bunch of bae bae kids running loose. no, chastisement is in order.

PICJAG.

 

[marks]

Don't let that statement became an excuse for sinning.

Don't think that's what it's about. This is what lets you walk in the truth of being crucified to the flesh.

Much love!

 

[marks]

See, you have to read more then a commentary, or you will end up like you are..
Its the same issue with people who read a commentary written by another heretic, who is a Cross denying grace rejecting person, that teaches...>"see this....Paul said he is the sinning Chief of us all".
But Paul didnt teach that.... the heretic does..

What in the world are you talking about? Don't you realize I agree with the bulk of what you say??

 

[marks]

My Advice, ... believe that the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.. = He was to become your sin and not just forgive you for it all.

It seems to me that you have a strong propensity to make assumptions about others, and in some cases, not correct assumptions. So when you make assumptions about me that aren't right, and then proceed as if they are, you end up only talking to yourself.

That's too bad!

 

[justbyfaith]

Actually you have the "indwelling sin" issue, as you are determined to keep teaching that Christians are to sin, which means you.

No, @Behold. I do not teach that Christians are to sin. I teach that Christians have sin; but that for the sanctified believer, the element of sin is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour.

As believers, we are not sinless; but we sin less as time passes.

Why dont you instead, study my Threads,

Why don't you study mine? If you did that, you wouldn't be confused about what I teach, claiming that I am teaching that Christians are to sin; which I am not teaching.

What kind of bizarre person chases people around from forum to forum, as you are doing here with me?

@Adoration very likely simply found this forum as a new home and did not do so because of following you around. I think that you think too much of yourself. People do not do things primarily because of you.

You just blindly condemn.
Wildly condemn.

All one needs to do is read your posts to determine that there are three fingers pointing back at you.

So, test me, judge me, quiz me, and read me, and SEE if im real and True.

You have already been tested and found wanting according to the reality of 1 John 1:8. You deny the reality of indwelling sin; and therefore you are deceiving yourself and the truth is not in you. Therefore you have failed the test and we must all consider you to be a false prophet.

But I will ask you this: what do you believe about the incarnation? is Jesus Christ come in the flesh?

Satan comes as LIGHT that seems true but is not. This is because he and his teachers mix a little untruth with truth, and it seems true.

Yes, and this is what you have done as one of his minions. There is much truth in what you are saying; but it is all ruined by the fact that you deny the existence of indwelling sin (1 John 1:8).

He understands this verse...>"by their fruit you shall know them", and "if you have love of the brethren"

Therefore, if you are bearing thorns and briers, it would indicate that we ought to judge you by your fruit. I have seen briers and thorns on you. And, btw, the devil's minions cannot help but bear bad fruit (briers and thorns)...otherwise the passage in question wouldn't be valid.

"But behold, what if i sin"...... = You can't. What you can do is a work of the flesh, that i teach as a carnal deed, and Paul defines as a "work of the flesh".

The concept that the works of the flesh aren't sins is preposterous to say the least....I'm not certain how it is that you think people will believe that lie....for it is a whopper! But you believed it for some reason...and for that reason it is dangerous.

Its the same issue with people who read a commentary written by another heretic, who is a Cross denying grace rejecting person, that teaches...>"see this....Paul said he is the sinning Chief of us all".
But Paul didnt teach that.... the heretic does..

Paul even taught that it is a trustworthy saying and worthy of all acceptation; that I am the chief of sinners. Each one of us should own that for himself. Jesus taught us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour; and that is the bottom line.

Stop reading the commentaries., as they are ruining your faith.

People who write commentaries are gifted members of the body of Christ who have been given spiritual gifts to teach the word of God...so reading commentaries is not necessarily going to lead you off-track; at least, not any more than reading the writings of @Behold will lead you off-track.

John has no sin in himself,

Not according to John (1 John 1:8).

Walking in darkness is to be spiritually blind.

If you are spiritually blind, then perhaps you cannot see the fact that you have indwelling sin. Does that describe you, @Behold?

See, you can't walk in darkness, and teach the truth.

Actually, you can. Because false teachers always teach some truth and mix that truth in with their false doctrine so that their false doctrine will be believed...because they begin with a measure of truth.

A heretic will say.......""well, salvation is not just "believe on the Lord and you shall be saved"....but its really you have to "abide"..

We abide by faith; so, abiding is simply continuing on in faith.

Yes, to abide means that the person who abideth "sinneth not". However, that is the result of abiding and not the cause. The method by which we abide has to do with continuing to place your faith in Christ and remaining connected to the vine as a branch.

as long as you're in this natural flesh you will sin.

Hi @101G,

While we all have indwelling sin (and 1 John 1:8 shows us this very clearly), it is not necessarily true that sin is inevitable in the Christian's life. In fact, I would say that the inevitability of sin is a false doctrine and heresy; for we are able as Christians to walk in freedom and victory.

 

[101G]

While we all have indwelling sin (and 1 John 1:8 shows us this very clearly), it is not necessarily true that sin is inevitable in the Christian's life. In fact, I would say that the inevitability of sin is a false doctrine and heresy; for we are able as Christians to walk in freedom and victory.

we just don't practice it. ..... at least not on a regular basis......

PICJAG.

 

[amadeus]

Try to think for yourself.
Start anytime.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Jeremiah was talking about carnal men, who do not even know where to put their foot for the next step. That still applies today to anyone who not encountered and/or is not now following the only One who can correctly Direct our steps. Neither you nor I alone qualify to Direct the steps of ourselves much less anyone else. The psalmist understood this when he wrote:

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5

And...

"Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face." Psalm 5:8

And then the words of Jesus:

"...Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Mark 8:34

Unless you are Jesus, you should back off a ways from where you are.

 

[quietthinker]

Hi quietthinker,

I've come to think that the commandment to love goes way beyond the 10 commandments.

Much love!

Have you considered marks that the 10 commandments embody every aspect of love presented in brief?
The height, the depth, the width....all its implications and connections are within those ten words.
Jesus is a living example of their application because they reflect none other than God himself.

No wonder it is Satans studied intent to misrepresent, to diminish, to replace, to bury them under religious garbage, ultimately get rid of them and yet they will be the standard by which God judges the world at the appointed time.

 

[justbyfaith]

Have you considered marks that the 10 commandments embody every aspect of love presented in brief?
The height, the depth, the width....all its implications and connections are within those ten words.
Jesus is a living example of their application because they reflect none other than God himself.

No wonder it is Satans studied intent to misrepresent, to diminish, to replace, to bury them under religious garbage, ultimately get rid of them and yet they will be the standard by which God judges the world at the appointed time.

Indeed, by the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20), and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

So, when mankind is judged on the basis of his works, who has not received Jesus as his Lord and Saviour, he will be judged on the basis of whether he lived a perfect life or not according to the law (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

However, those who have come to faith in Christ have been delivered from the law so that they are no longer bound to the letter but are obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6). Sin shall not have dominion over them; for they are not under the law, but under grace (Romans 6:14). They have become dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19).

What this means is that they have been forgiven of past, present, and future sins so that their relationship to the law has changed. It governs them from the inside (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4); it no longer condemns them from the outside (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6). And it is the spirit of the law that governs them and not the letter (Romans 7:6).

So then, we find that in Galatians 6:13, those who are seeking to obtain righteousness through the letter will utterly fail; but that in 1 John 3:9, those who are forgiven and who seek to obey in newness of the spirit shall succeed in their walk of holiness.

It should be clear that Jesus violated the letter of the sabbath day law (found in Exodus 20:10) when He claimed to be working on the sabbath day (John 5:17 and context). However, He was being obedient to the spirit of the law in that as the Lord of the sabbath, He had redefined the sabbath law according to the spirit of what the law is all about, and mentioned that it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days (Matthew 12:12). Because there was a change in priesthood there was also a change in law; for Jesus came as High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec (Hebrews 7:12). His coming was not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life (Hebrews 7:16).